Will my dog be in Heaven?

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Not sure if that does justice to the redemption story. Many have gone on ensuring they took the right road, suffered the temporal diseases and punishments for making the wrong choices. Billions of parents went to extremes to ensure their babies are baptized. How does it reconcile with the fact that unbaptized babies can only receive the happiest state and contentment they are able to only in limbo?. Surely they are at least as innocent, and of greater dignity than a cat. How are animals able to live to eternity without a soul? How does it reconcile with man being given a distinction of being created in the image of God? It would seem to make that grace to no purpose.

My apologies to Faustina, but I would need a serious panel explaining all this. I would have wished for something better than to strive for a place that a dog can sniff his way into accidentally. Nothing personal to Poochie of course.

These beliefs at best can only be classed Opinio Tolerata.
 
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StarMapp said:
does it reconcile with the fact that unbaptized babies can only receive the happiest state and contentment they are able to only in limbo?
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That’s merely another theolegoumena.

I personally hold a different theological opinion - I believe that all babies and small children who die go to heaven, almost without exception.
 
Think about it this way.

Each of us is a vessel. We can increase or decrease the capacity of the vessel to experience God. God will fill it to the top. Babies have a smaller vessel but it will be filled to the top.
 
Reminds me of that joke about how you make a cat go woof and a dog go miaow…
 
Where in De Fide Doctrine do you find this. If I’m wrong then I would prefer to adopt your view. 🙂
 
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...aith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html

“Reflecting within the one tradition of faith that unites the Church through the ages, and relying utterly on the guidance of the Holy Spirit whom Jesus promised would lead his followers “into all the truth” (Jn 16:13), we have sought to read the signs of the times and to interpret them in the light of the Gospel. Our conclusion is that the many factors that we have considered above give serious theological and liturgical grounds for hope that unbaptised infants who die will be saved and enjoy the Beatific Vision. We emphasise that these are reasons for prayerful hope, rather than grounds for sure knowledge. There is much that simply has not been revealed to us (cf. Jn 16:12). We live by faith and hope in the God of mercy and love who has been revealed to us in Christ, and the Spirit moves us to pray in constant thankfulness and joy (cf. 1 Thess 5:18).”

In light of this, I hold the personal belief and hope that all unbaptized babies and children who die before the age of reason will be saved.
 
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http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...aith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html

“Reflecting within the one tradition of faith that unites the Church through the ages, and relying utterly on the guidance of the Holy Spirit whom Jesus promised would lead his followers “into all the truth” (Jn 16:13), we have sought to read the signs of the times and to interpret them in the light of the Gospel. Our conclusion is that the many factors that we have considered above give serious theological and liturgical grounds for hope that unbaptised infants who die will be saved and enjoy the Beatific Vision. We emphasise that these are reasons for prayerful hope, rather than grounds for sure knowledge. There is much that simply has not been revealed to us (cf. Jn 16:12). We live by faith and hope in the God of mercy and love who has been revealed to us in Christ, and the Spirit moves us to pray in constant thankfulness and joy (cf. 1 Thess 5:18).”

In light of this, I hold the personal belief and hope that all unbaptized babies and children who die before the age of reason will be saved.
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Well, according to some private revelations I read from the Blessed Mother, Limbo will only be in effect until the end of the world.
 
That’s overtly heretical. The Council of Florence solemnly defined that all who die in original sin will be eternally excluded from the Beatific Vision. The only way to get around this is to argue that no one actually dies in such a state.
 
Limbo is also an acceptable theological opinion to hold.

Either position is acceptable theological opinion, whichever you feel more comfortable believing.
 
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That’s overtly heretical. The Council of Florence solemnly defined that all who die in original sin will be eternally excluded from the Beatific Vision. The only way to get around this is to argue that no one actually dies in such a state.
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Well maybe they won’t go to the highest level of Heaven where the Beatific Vision is.
 
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That’s overtly heretical. The Council of Florence solemnly defined that all who die in original sin will be eternally excluded from the Beatific Vision. The only way to get around this is to argue that no one actually dies in such a state.
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There is baptism of desire. God knows which of those infants would have had faith and which would not.
 
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I guess the Vatican has fallen to heresy then
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You did not read what I wrote.
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Arkansan:
That’s overtly heretical. The Council of Florence solemnly defined that all who die in original sin will be eternally excluded from the Beatific Vision. The only way to get around this is to argue that no one actually dies in such a state.
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There is baptism of desire. God knows which of those infants would have had faith and which would not.
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I can see no coherent theological argument for the notion that God rewards and punishes people based on counterfactual hypotheticals, and not based on things which they actually have done (or have been done for them as in the case of infant baptism). Jesus said that if the miracles He performed during his earthly ministry had been performed in Sodom, its inhabitants would have repented. Obviously, that hypothetical truth does not mean they were in fact saved.

This notion runs contrary to the entire idea of infused righteousness, and ultimately depends on the Protestant doctrine of imputed righteousness.
 
For those who paid attention to today’s first reading, animals were made part of the covenant with Noah. And part of the chapter before the reading began,(Genesis 9:5) states that God will demand an accounting from animals.
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Oh man now I am going to feel guilty when I buy cat toys. I already look for the cheapest ones. We do spend a fair amount on cat food because if we don’t buy grainfree they both get allergy symptoms.
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If the cat toys are designed to help keep their hunting instincts sharp, and you want your cat to help keep the home free from rodents, do not feel guilty - consider it part of their training, like a police officer or military member going to the gun range.
 
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They do catch rodents. You are right. The toys do keep their hunting instincts sharp.☺️
 
Arkansan said:
That’s overtly heretical. The Council of Florence solemnly defined that all who die in original sin will be eternally excluded from the Beatific Vision. The only way to get around this is to argue that no one actually dies in such a state.
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Can you provide us the original quote…I think it may be a little different from your paraphrase?
 
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