Will my dog be in Heaven?

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I think it is very proud of us to say who is immortal and who is not…

I used to be a vampire… I converted… these days I’d rather be a werewolf.

Was always a werewolf in my heart anyway.
 
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I agree I looked up The Catechism of the Catholic Church
and found this in CCC 1701 and 1703, in short ONLY MAN
has an immortal soul.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
The idea of Limbo, which the Church has used for many centuries to designate the destiny of infants who die without Baptism, has no clear foundation in revelation, even though it has long been used in traditional theological teaching. Moreover, the notion that infants who die without Baptism are deprived of the beatific vision, which has for so long been regarded as the common doctrine of the Church, gives rise to numerous pastoral problems, so much so that many pastors of souls have asked for a deeper reflection on the ways of salvation /…/
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Thanks Father for showing that it has never been Church doctrine. Church doctrine is something that binds all Catholics and Catholics have never been bound by the theological hypothesis on Limbo for Infants.
 
1046 For the cosmos, Revelation affirms the profound common destiny of the material world and man:

For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God . . . in hope because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay. . . . We know that the whole creation has been groaning in travail together until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.639

1047 The visible universe, then, is itself destined to be transformed, “so that the world itself, restored to its original state, facing no further obstacles, should be at the service of the just,” sharing their glorification in the risen Jesus Christ.
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So…could our old pets be included in the “visible universe”, the “material world”, and “the creation” that is mentioned here in the Catechism?
 
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thistle said:
Thanks Father for showing that it has never been Church doctrine. Church doctrine is something that binds all Catholics and Catholics have never been bound by the theological hypothesis on Limbo for Infants.
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No one ever said it was Church doctrine. You said limbo was never Church teaching. Limbo was traditional Church teaching. I posted a link to the Vatican article. Either you didn’t read it or didn’t even look at it, Father had to copy and paste the document. In fact I copied and pasted the part of the document that said Limbo was traditional Church teaching. All you had to do was scroll up. It appeared you were choosing to ignore the official document posted on the Vatican Website.

I’m glad Father settled that. The Church used to teach that unbaptized babies go to Limbo. Thank you, Father, for clearing that up.
 
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1Lord1Faith said:
So…could our old pets be included in the “visible universe”, the “material world”, and “the creation” that is mentioned here in the Catechism?
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Of course! Many posters have shown us that Scripture indicates they will be!
 
The resurrection of the body and soul is an act of mercy for the faithful. There have been centuries of theology and scholarship on this.
God will resurrect people because it brings to completion his plan for us.
There is nothing in scripture or church teachings about pets or other animals being resurrected. Never, in all the masses I have attended, has the resurrection of animals ever been mentioned, even in passing.
It’s just a nice thought. That’s all. If pet resurrection has been revealed to you in some way, then it’s private revelation, and therefore not binding on the rest of the faithful.
 
ConstantLearner said:
No one ever said it was Church doctrine. You said limbo was never Church teaching. Limbo was traditional Church teaching. I posted a link to the Vatican article. Either you didn’t read it or didn’t even look at it, Father had to copy and paste the document. In fact I copied and pasted the part of the document that said Limbo was traditional Church teaching. All you had to do was scroll up. It appeared you were choosing to ignore the official document posted on the Vatican Website.

I’m glad Father settled that. The Church used to teach that unbaptized babies go to Limbo. Thank you, Father, for clearing that up.
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traditional church teaching is not a teaching.

Catholics are BOUND by ALL Church teachings. We were NEVER bound by the theological hypothesis about Limbo. It was NEVER a Church teaching.

By the way I don’t know why you hijacked the thread which is actually about pets in Heaven!!
 
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no. The souls of plants and animals only serve to animate while on earth and they
no longer exist after they perish.
 
thistle said:
By the way I don’t know why you hijacked the thread which is actually about pets in Heaven!!
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You must have me confused with someone else. LOL I couldn’t hijack a thread if I wanted to! 🤣
 
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thistle said:
traditional church teaching is not a teaching.
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Well this is typical Thistle logic.

Q. When is a teaching NOT a teaching.
A. When its “traditional”.

I always fear for my sanity when “debating” with Thistle for any length of time 😂.
 
Correct. they are not immortal, their souls/personalities do not survive in a hibernated disembodied state between death and the General Resurrection as do humans.

Nevertheless that does not mean they cannot be resurrected exactly as they were when they lived as all history and memories are known by God even if not retained “separately” via their lost souls.

However the actual existence of animals at the General Resurrection (ie a “bodily” heaven) where there will be a new heaven and a new earth is fairly clear.

There really is not much of a jump from here to God allowing the re-creation of our favourite pets complete with their memories their favourite games and their love for their original owners.

Of course it isn’t taught, its just a “hypothesis” like Limbo. But it could be true…and one day if enough believers come to this realisation it may well become a “Thistle teaching” 🤣 … a doctrine revealed to God’s people by their common consensus under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Just like the Immaculate Conception which isn’t explicitly in Scripture either.
 
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What is growing increasingly common in the western world is the effect pets have on detracting from our mandate of charity to the human race. What started has a detached fondness, perhaps enjoyed by a few wealthy, has become to the majority of the populace, a diversion of millions of dollars to the care of pets. I think this is indicative of more leisure time and readily available credit and disposable income. To some extent they fill a void of lonesomeness that is best treated by the extension of human charity. It is an increasing threat and the Church should present an encyclical on this subtle but dangerous phenomenon.

Another effect it has and is increasingly manifest is an increase in anthropomorphism. The trusting nature of pack species for the instinctual purpose of bettering it’s position and survival within it, when in a human context is misunderstood by the owner has conveyance of love for the owner. In some cases the owner notes, perhaps in self denial, that the animal is using reasoning and it’s human faculties to make assessments. Human names are increasingly being given to pets, and even the in mode vice versa. Now fully morphed in the owner’s mind as belonging to the human race, when the pet dies it of course is deserving of it’s human status in the expression of an expensive funeral, and a comfortable life supplied with a million dollar trust fund. But of course the human abortions continue and sick children do not need help.

Veterinarian businesses are increasing and the pet division is profitable, and paying for their services is now a household drain sometimes with monthly payments to low incomed households. Operations run in hundreds of dollars. These animals are so “human” they are worthy of licking the faces and mouths of infants, when in grade school the children were taught to keep their hands away from their face and mouths. Parasites run rampant with the inevitable cost of health care. It goes on.

I think heaven’s door will be held open for the real humans, and not the detractions that have cost God such anguish. All this no reflection on these innocent creatures of course, but we can see they are being used by the prince of this world to do their share of the destruction.
 
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BlackFriar said:
Nevertheless that does not mean they cannot be resurrected exactly as they were when they lived as all history and memories are known by God even if not retained “separately” via their lost souls.
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I think they will be partly because God lives in timelessness. He has no history because he always was and always will be. Creation has yet to be in “God’s world,” and yet, it is completed. In God’s “eyes,” nothing has died, and everything has died. Boggles my mind to think about it much, but I believe in that New Creation that is already complete with God, all life lives on in perfection.

Sorry for the clumsy expression. It’s difficult to express what the human mind cannot fathom…yet.
 
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ConstantLearner said:
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BlackFriar:
I always fear for my sanity when “debating” with Thistle for any length of time 😂.
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I know exactly what you mean…already!
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prickly…
 
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