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1holycatholic
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NewsTheMan
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Picture makes me facepalm. Sigh.
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DAAVEED1590
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Dear NewsTheMan,
Blessed Greetings,
While I prefer the Tridentine mass, I don’t facepalm at the picture. What in it causes such a reaction? (lolol
)God Bless and Ave Maria!
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NewsTheMan
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The people in the pews in the orans position, copying the priest.What in it causes such a reaction? (lolol
Clericalization of the laity; laicization of the clergy.
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babylonsfalling
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That stereotype bugged me as a kid, stayed with me for decades as a non-denom, but ultimately impressed me in a positive way when I decided to use a nearby Catholic Church for a second Church-going each week.
The Penitential Rite was especially impressive. There is something very powerful about an entire congregation collectively confessing sins and asking for prayer. It sets everyone on the same level of humility before God. I know in non Catholic Churches nobody would say they’re on some higher level than others, but still, collective prayer does much to bring that collective sense of humility home to the heart in a way I’ve only felt in the Catholic Church.
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wisdomseeker
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that is so true. I have seen them saying and also with you standing their hands just like the priest does. I have also seeing people reapeting the words of consagration with the priest. they have no sense about the difference between them and the priest. very strange.
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DAAVEED1590
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AH! I see now. I agree. So many people have no idea how to properly show reverence at mass…
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m134e5
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That is a problem, as there is a definite difference between a lay person and a priest- a difference that is not just distinctive in this life, but one that is also distinctive in the next life as well. That distinction exists whether anyone (priest, bishop, laity) want to acknowledge it or not. The Sacrament of Holy Orders, like Baptism and Confirmation, leaves an indelible mark on the soul of the person who receives it. When billions of years have passed, every priest (and bishop, and deacon) who ever was one will still be one- and will continue to be one forever.
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Anathama_Sit
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Greetings 1HolyCatholic,
Time will tell.
God Bless.
Anathama Sit
Time will tell.
God Bless.
Anathama Sit
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Holly3278
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I hope it does. I am looking forward to the new translation of the holy Mass. I think it will be great to be honest with you. I hope and pray that it helps many people to have a deeper faith in God.
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wisdomseeker
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Yes, it is very confusing. there is no longer the sense of separation. everyone wants to be equal and the same as the other. Take for example the words which is to be a sign of respect and acknowledgment that a person is above you. Something like and with thy spirit… no one wants to use this word because it indicates honor and respect for those who in a higher place. we use the word you… which makes no difference between us and the priest and so forth…
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Tigg
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Yanno - I agree and have always been taught that the orans position is spelled out in the rubrics and that only the main celebrant at Mass (not even the assisting deacon) may use this position. I attended a ministry updating yesterday and to my astonishment our new pastor told us that the bishop emeritus (many years ago) announced that all the faithful should use this position (for instance at the Our Father) thus we have the community imitating this priestly gesture and our pastor is going with it.
So…inconsistencies remain and often grow to the confusion of the general populace. What’s a faithful Catholic to do?? And I doubt the new Mass translation will do anything to lessen the disturbance we see at certain times in the Litrugy.
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Elizabeth502
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:bigyikes:
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Wolseley
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Not as much a stereotype as you might think; I, too, have seen people “going through the motions” like automatons, not paying any more attention to what’s actually going on than the man in the moon…with the exception of certain numbers of feminist women, frustrated because they can’t be priests, who mimic every gesture, word, and action of the priest from the first two rows of the pews.
As far as I’m concerned, if the new Mass translations will get rid of such hideous, dated chestnuts as Marty Haugen’s absolutely dreadful “Mass of Cremation” (spelling intentional), then I say hallelujah.
Now if we can just likewise get rid of the truly awful TV sitcom theme music that was written between 1965 and about 1982 or 1990 or so, I will be well satisfied.
No kidding----
*“Gather Us In”, the choir is moaning
“Gather Us In” is our entrance song;
“Gather Us In”: it sounds more like groaning
With chords that are minor and notes that are long.
“Gather Us In” we sing every Sunday
“Gather Us In” we sing every Mass;
Give us a break, and play something different–
“Gather Us In’s” getting old really fast.*
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Anathama_Sit
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Greetings Wolseley,
Did you make the song parody up yourself? I have been singing it enjoying it quite immensely, which gives me another idea for a new thread.
Thanks for making my day.
God Bless.
Anathama Sit
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Wolseley
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Unfortunately, I can’t take credit for it—it comes from a mow sadly-defunct site called the Society for a Moratorium on the Music of Marty Haugen and David Haas, which had dozens of hilarious paradies of some of the more dreadful concoctions the “Spirit of Vatican II” hippies came up with.
Another one I remember:
*Awake from your slumber, arise from your sleep;
The homily’s over, it wasn’t too deep.
He spoke of a ‘journey’, well, what else does he say?
We’re all part of a ‘story’ as we go on our way.
So let’s sing a ditty to God,
It’s a way we can all be together.
And we’ll be the City of God
If we tell his story once more.
We’re all part of a journey, to ‘I-don’t-know-where’,
But that isn’t important, so long as we’re here.
Be part of the story of me and of you,
And don’t worry asking if the story is true.
No, just sing a ditty to God,
It’s a way we can all be together.
It would be a pity for God
If we told his story no more.
So come if you’re ready, the meek and the smug,
For God is a Teddy, he’ll give you a hug.
And take consolation, till next time we meet,
As you go on your journey, God’s in the back seat.
So just sing a ditty to God,
It’s a way we can all be together.
It would be a pity for God
If we told his story no more.*
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Anathama_Sit
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Greetings Wolseley,
What hymn is this? I started a thread on Hymn parodies, I just realized I misspelled the word Hymn in the title of the thread. Oh well.
God Bless.
Anathama Sit
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louis91766
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Yes it is. For example, if everyone is holding hands at the Our Father, and you know that it is against the rubrics to hold hands, are you then committing a sin if you hold someone’s hands since you are disobeying the rules of the Church? Or is it all right to disobey the rules of the Church because everyone is doing it?
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Wolseley
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It’s a takeoff of Dan Schutte’s “City of God”.
Anything by the St. Louis Jesuits or any member (or former member) thereof is dreadful.
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jasonjessica09
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I think the new translation is a step in the right direction but it does not go far enough. I think many of the bad litrugical habits that you see in the novus ordo Mass will still take place. Only a complete turn to the Tridetine Latin Mass will need to happen to see more reverence from your every day english speaking catholic in the church.
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