Will one be surprised of God's judgement on his soul at the moment of death?

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AnAtheist:
Well, that’s better than some god I can imagine (or other people have imagined).
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What can you imagine God to be like ?

IF, as we Christians believe He is Jesus, and appears at the time of your death to be the person who suffered and died on a cross for us, what reaction would you have then ?

Would it not be a little too late to say, “I’m sorry, I didn’t believe ?”

IF all there is nothingness, we Christians wouldn’t have any reaction as that’s the end of the line.

wc
 
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AnAtheist:
How about you? Would you rather go to Hel than to Walhalla, if God turns out to be Odin?
I dare guess, the face you make, when you read that question is nearly the same as mine reading yours.

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Actually I have/had no reaction to your supposition as I consider that totally out of the realm of possibility.

IF God turns out to be Odin, Hell would not exist, as the Christian God would not exist. I suppose whatever Odin decided would be my fate.

BUT no revelation has ever suggested that Valhalla is what’s in store for anyone. Odin, and valhalla (and a lot of other gods) remained myths and fables. There is no Thor or Jupiter or whatever in actual human history.

There is evidence of a historic Jesus, granted it is now only as heresay evidence, as no living person is still around to testify to His actual existence. The same can be said about the George Washington or Columbus. We don’t have first hand eyewitnesses but it doesn’t mean they never existed.

PLUS Jesus has appeared to many of the saints and mystics, Odin has not appeared to anyone. I suppose a few nutcases may claim some visitation, but no one with any rational faculties.

BTW, mystics are almost always scrutinized quite closely for mental and emotional problems.

I believe the vast mountain of evidence points to God as Christ revealed Him to us, and a Heaven/Hell/Purgatory not a Valhalla or some other pagan concept of an afterlife.

wc
 
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AnAtheist:
No argument from me. That is exactly what I think of any god, humans have ever thought of. And the conclusion I have drawn is, that none of those gods exist.
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Hi AnAtheist-

Nice to see that you’re cruising through various threads…
I understand why you arrive at the conclusion that you do from the above statement, but have you ever read the New Testament? Have you ever read the extrabiblical histories available regarding those same times? I think you might find the words and actions of the apostles (historically verifiable from independent sources) quite compelling. Especially Paul and Peter. These two very different men obviously experienced something profound. It completely altered the course of their lives and they, along with many since, went to their graves (at the hands of others) professing the truth of their testimony regarding Jesus of Nazareth - a truth that would otherwise seem ridiculous. I have found this compelling - the eye witness who goes to their death rather than recant their version of the truth - especially since there is no alterior motive. It’s completely outside the realm of mathmatical certainty, I know, but it is an element of reality nonetheless (I love that word!) What do you do with such information? I’m sure you don’t simply ignore it, but instead attempt to understand it - right? Do you simply believe that Peter and Paul were convinced of a truth that was actually a deception?

Always interested,

Phil
 
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AnAtheist:
Frankly, I’d be surprised to meet a god at all after death.
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You are right ,you are going to be very surprised because there is a God who will judge ALL, whether you believe it or not. Gods commandments are written on every mans heart.This is how you will be judged according to Law. If you have broken his law you will recieve His just sentence.Thats up to you to search your heart. When we die we are judged emmediatly and recieve our sentence. :eek: God Bless
 
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AnAtheist:
Frankly, I’d be surprised to meet a god at all after death.
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Hello,AnAtheist, you will meet God and by the time you die,you won’t be surprised:) You want to know why?Because God sends you here to talk to us crazy Catholics who pray for you;) So at the most open moment in your life you will recieve a grace from God and be able to believe.😃 God Bless
 
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JimG:
If you repented of your sins from hell, and begged for mercy, God would hear and forgive you.
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What? Anyone who goes there is on a one way ticket.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Hello,AnAtheist, you will meet God and by the time you die,you won’t be surprised:) You want to know why?Because God sends you here to talk to us crazy Catholics who pray for you;) So at the most open moment in your life you will recieve a grace from God and be able to believe.😃 God Bless
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Hi Lisa ,Atheist can only recieve grace after He admits he is a sinner and repents of his sins. Then he is ready to recieve Grace from our Lord Jesus Christ,but not before. He has to see the need for a Savior or the consequences will be Hell whether he believes it or not…God Bless
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Hi Lisa ,Atheist can only recieve grace after He admits he is a sinner and repents of his sins. Then he is ready to recieve Grace from our Lord Jesus Christ,but not before. He has to see the need for a Savior or the consequences will be Hell whether he believes it or not…God Bless
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Which comes first ? Is it not by the grace of God that we can admit that we are sinners and repent ? or is it as you say, that we have to acknowledge and repent first to receive His grace ?

wc
 
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wcknight:
Which comes first ? Is it not by the grace of God that we can admit that we are sinners and repent ? or is it as you say, that we have to acknowledge and repent first to receive His grace ?

wc
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Hi Wc, Without repentance one cannot enter into the kingdom.God Bless
 
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AnAtheist:
Frankly, I’d be surprised to meet a god at all after death.
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I once had a professor who would say that one is only an Atheist until he is on his death bed and wondering if he was wrong. I really hope that you come to terms with the Truth before you die. I am guess your spirit is already trying to lead you to the truth since you are here. Welcome I hope you find all your answers that you need. Good luck!🙂
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Hi Wc, Without repentance one cannot enter into the kingdom.God Bless
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Yes, I agree completely. BUT is it not by the grace of God that we come to recognize that we need to repent ?

Christ’s Peace
 
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MonicaC:
I once had a professor who would say that one is only an Atheist until he is on his death bed and wondering if he was wrong. I really hope that you come to terms with the Truth before you die. I am guess your spirit is already trying to lead you to the truth since you are here. Welcome I hope you find all your answers that you need. Good luck!🙂
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Hi Monica, I believe there are no athiests only agnostics. God bless
 
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wcknight:
Yes, I agree completely. BUT is it not by the grace of God that we come to recognize that we need to repent ?

Christ’s Peace
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I would say its more a conviction by the Holy Spirit in the conscience. God Bless
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Hello,AnAtheist, you will meet God and by the time you die,you won’t be surprised:) You want to know why?Because God sends you here to talk to us crazy Catholics who pray for you;) So at the most open moment in your life you will recieve a grace from God and be able to believe.😃 God Bless
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Very nice Lisa. And well said.
 
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wcknight:
Actually I have/had no reaction to your supposition as I consider that totally out of the realm of possibility.
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See? Exactly my reaction.
I consider the Christian God to be impossible, hence the Christian Hell does not exist either (for me).
 
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Philthy:
I understand why you arrive at the conclusion that you do from the above statement, but have you ever read the New Testament? …] What do you do with such information? I’m sure you don’t simply ignore it, but instead attempt to understand it - right? Do you simply believe that Peter and Paul were convinced of a truth that was actually a deception?
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Actually I have read all of the Bible. It is so contradictory, that it is fair to say, it is not a reliable source of information.
People are honestly convinced of a lot of things, ie without intending to decept or to lie. I stick to the experimental evidence.
You are right, the historical evidence for G. Washington may be as thin as for Jesus, but Washington’s existence and what he is supposed to have done is plausible.
 
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AnAtheist:
, but Washington’s existence and what he is supposed to have done is plausible.
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“plausible”, interesting term.

Washington crossed the Delaware…became our first president, these things are “plausible” thus believeable.

Of course it’s foolish to believe God reincarnate came to earth as a human thus enabling us to live eternally with Him forever. How ridiculous. We brilliant micro-organisms are much too wise to believe such a thing. We micro-oranisms given enough time will figure out just where we came from and why. We just haven’t had enought time yet. Someday we’ll all look back on all this religous nonsense and laugh hysterically as we realize there is in fact no good reason for our existance at all; as our scientific atheist brothers and sisters have tried to tell us all along.

We are just unfortuate to have been born at the wrong time. If we were born later, when the truth of no truth is finally discovered, with certainty, we’d now know our life is totally without meaning and cause.

But, at least, we can look forward to the journey of discovery of this “plausible” outcome. We’d probably get there much more quickly if these people of faith would stop wasting thier time with love and hope and get down to business.
 
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AnAtheist:
See? Exactly my reaction.
I consider the Christian God to be impossible, hence the Christian Hell does not exist either (for me).
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The Christian Hell (or Heaven) will exist for you and for everybody regardless of whether you believing it exists of not.

Ignoring God, Heaven or Hell doesn’t make any of it go away.

It it more plausible to believe that all of the testimonies of encounters with God were made by mad men or folks with hallucinations ? Were all the eyewitnesses to miracles at Fatima and Lourdes suffering from mass hallucinations and delusions ? How is that thousands of folks saw the same vision and others saw nothing ? Was Bernadette a mass hypnotist ?

Is the cloak of Juan Diego a hoax perpetrated by a peasant 3 hundred years ago ? If so, how is it the pigments sampled from the cloak, have no natural occurances and were not available 300 years ago (they have chemical properties similar to modern day synthetics) ? Also how is it that a reflection in the madonnas eyes shows an image of Juan Diego in micro detail ? No human could have created that image 300 years ago. Even with todays technology, it would be difficult to reproduce the paints and the image.

There are a lot more questions left unanswered IF God does not exists, than there are, if He does exists. I fine it infinitely more plausible that He does exist.

wc
 
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AnAtheist:
See? Exactly my reaction.
I consider the Christian God to be impossible, hence the Christian Hell does not exist either (for me).
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Which God have you created that fits your belief system? Is it the NO god? The Truth is that God did creat a hell for those who reject His mercy.Gods law is written on your heart. You need to come to your senses and realize you have sinned against God and if you continue in this state you will be condemed. Mercy is available to you But you must repent from your sins. Jesus will step forward and save you from hell. Its up to you my freind. :confused: God Bless
 
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