"Will Pope Francis Break The Church"

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Ross Douthat’s article on Pope Francis is getting a lot of attention. Essentially it boils down to the apparent proposition being made of allowing remarried Catholics who still have a valid first marriage in the eyes of the church to receive Communion. I am not that up to date on this issue but found the article to be quite informative. Also, within the article he gave an abbreviated background of the pope which broadened my knowledge of him.

theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/05/will-pope-francis-break-the-church/389516/
 
As society changes, so too must the Church in respect to what Catholic teachings are emphasized. The basic teachings of Christ, such and helping those in poverty, seems to be what Pope Francis is emphasizing.
 
The author takes the long road around to make the false assertions, beloved by heretics, that the Church has changed its teachings to accomodate the age, but says they were not real changes at all. :eek: Ah no. He leaves out information that would refute this fallacy, such as the eating of meat on Fridays was not a doctrine, but a discipline that can be changed. It makes his whole effort to sound balanced farcical. Nope, I didn’t get fresh insights into Pope Francis, what I got from reading the article was subtle support for changing Church teachings regarding divorce and remarriage, among other issues. I was not impressed but rather disgusted by such chicanery.
 
Robert_Sock said:
As society changes, so too must the Church in respect to what Catholic teachings are emphasized. The basic teachings of Christ, such and helping those in poverty, seems to be what Pope Francis is emphasizing.
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He left that place and went to the region of Judea and[a] beyond the Jordan. And crowds again gathered around him; and, as was his custom, he again taught them.
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2 Some Pharisees came, and to test him they asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” 3 He answered them, “What did Moses command you?” 4 They said, “Moses allowed a man to write a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her.” 5 But Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote this commandment for you. 6 But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,** 8 and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
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10 Then in the house the disciples asked him again about this matter. 11 He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; 12 and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.”
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Mark 10:1-12
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There are a lot of people that would like to see the Catholic Church splinter and break. It doesn’t make them prophetic.
 
This is an opinion article, but I will leave it up since it summarizes some areas discussed here on different threads. Please review the forum rules about discussing charitable and posts discussing catholic clerics before posting.
 
Is the author a Catholic? Oh, I thought he was expressing a personal opinion and assumed he was not Catholic. My apologies if I made the wrong assumption. I have heard a similar opinion from many non-Catholics and lumped this article in with those.
 
Robert_Sock said:
As society changes, so too must the Church in respect to what Catholic teachings are emphasized. The basic teachings of Christ, such and helping those in poverty, seems to be what Pope Francis is emphasizing.
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Della said:
The author takes the long road around to make the false assertions, beloved by heretics, that the Church has changed its teachings to accomodate the age, but says they were not real changes at all. :eek: Ah no. He leaves out information that would refute this fallacy, such as the eating of meat on Fridays was not a doctrine, but a discipline that can be changed. It makes his whole effort to sound balanced farcical. Nope, I didn’t get fresh insights into Pope Francis, what I got from reading the article was subtle support for changing Church teachings regarding divorce and remarriage, among other issues. I was not impressed but rather disgusted by such chicanery.
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Really? I quite liked the article, and this coming from a person who distrusts the Atlantic and was immediately off put by the title and accompanying picture. I’m not even sure that it was in support of changing the teaching on divorce. He (correctly) identifies that there would be long-reaching implications and points out that forms of Christianity which have proven to try and blend in with the culture have been completely unsuccessful.
 
Della said:
The author takes the long road around to make the false assertions, beloved by heretics, that the Church has changed its teachings to accomodate the age, but says they were not real changes at all. :eek: Ah no. He leaves out information that would refute this fallacy, such as the eating of meat on Fridays was not a doctrine, but a discipline that can be changed. It makes his whole effort to sound balanced farcical. Nope, I didn’t get fresh insights into Pope Francis, what I got from reading the article was subtle support for changing Church teachings regarding divorce and remarriage, among other issues. I was not impressed but rather disgusted by such chicanery.
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I don’t think that’s what Douthat was getting at in that paragraph. I believe he was simply trying to describe the “liberal/progressive” view rather than asserting it as true.

Not that I agree completely with the way he frames contemporary Catholicism throughout the article. But Douthat is the New York Times token conservative commentator. So I’d be surprised if that’s the point he was trying to drive home here. I could be wrong, though.
 
Is there people pushing the Church to allowed remarried persons recieve the Host while having their first marriage vaild in the eyes of the Church because of Moses Law and how the Jews were still in the camp if they divorced and remarried? And still “sinless” as long as they did their scarifices?

That may explain why it is pushed… however I agree with the Catholic Church on their stance because it makes most sense to me and I am not even Catholic.
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Can someone please explain how the Pope…or anyone else… can “break the church” that was founded by Jesus Christ who promised that he would send the Holy Spirit to guide his church in all truth…people who start preaching that are heretics…😦
 
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I don’t think that’s what Douthat was getting at in that paragraph. I believe he was simply trying to describe the “liberal/progressive” view rather than asserting it as true.

Not that I agree completely with the way he frames contemporary Catholicism throughout the article. But Douthat is the New York Times token conservative commentator. So I’d be surprised if that’s the point he was trying to drive home here. I could be wrong, though.
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He didn’t balance that with the truth about Catholic teaching, though, giving the reader the impression that the Church has changed its teachings. Token conservative doesn’t mean he sides with the Church or has the good of the Church in mind. It’s so easy to sound sympathetic but not completely truthful–a nice little twist–the kind the enemy loves to employ. Just enough of the truth to swallow a lie–a subtle one, but a lie just the same. That’s how it struck me, others may not have seen that, or see that it’s there–but by design or not it’s deceptive. It got my blood up–something that doesn’t usually happen with me because I try to give people the benefit of doubt. All that honey with just a dash of vinegar–I guess the vinegar stuck in my craw.
 
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