"Will Pope Francis Break The Church"

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Hans_W said:
No, there won’t be a split of the Church, but lots of division like after Vatican II.
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It’s been 50 years. We can give that old one a rest now.
What’s to divide? The church has spoken. It will remain firm. I don’t know of many divorced Catholics that are beating this drum. Really I don’t. It’s people from the outside who would like to water down our beliefs one at a time.
No, it won’t happen.
 
Della said:
He didn’t balance that with the truth about Catholic teaching, though, giving the reader the impression that the Church has changed its teachings. Token conservative doesn’t mean he sides with the Church or has the good of the Church in mind. It’s so easy to sound sympathetic but not completely truthful–a nice little twist–the kind the enemy loves to employ. Just enough of the truth to swallow a lie–a subtle one, but a lie just the same. That’s how it struck me, others may not have seen that, or see that it’s there–but by design or not it’s deceptive. It got my blood up–something that doesn’t usually happen with me because I try to give people the benefit of doubt. All that honey with just a dash of vinegar–I guess the vinegar stuck in my craw.
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Fair enough.
 
Robert_Sock said:
As society changes, so too must the Church in respect to what Catholic teachings are emphasized.
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:eek:
So, when the society is flourishing with fornication and adultery, the Church should not teach chastity anymore, and when society is full of murder the Church should be silent? You advocate that the Church should not stick to her moral teachings but conform to the sins of the world. Unbelievable!
 
PTL said:
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So, when the society is flourishing with fornication and adultery, the Church should not teach chastity anymore, and when society is full of murder the Church should be silent? You advocate that the Church should not stick to her moral teachings but conform to the sins of the world. Unbelievable!
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👍 That’s the way relativists think. When they see Bishops and Cardinals floating these heterodox ideas, they follow. Our Shepard should be correcting the sheep, not encouraging them to go further astray.
 
No the Pope cannot break the church, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the church breaks him.
Pray for the Holy Father
 
Robert_Sock said:
As society changes, so too must the Church in respect to what Catholic teachings are emphasized. The basic teachings of Christ, such and helping those in poverty, seems to be what Pope Francis is emphasizing.
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The indissolubility of marriage IS a basic teaching of Christ.
 
PTL said:
:eek:
So, when the society is flourishing with fornication and adultery, the Church should not teach chastity anymore, and when society is full of murder the Church should be silent? You advocate that the Church should not stick to her moral teachings but conform to the sins of the world. Unbelievable!
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What about slavery? It was certainly condoned in the early days of Christianity.
 
If people keep picking on him he might just retire then we’ll have two retired Popes, oh boy.🤷
 
pianistclare said:
I think that was covered in another recent thread.
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I am sure, nothing on this thread hasn’t been discussed before.
I was still responding to Robert Sock’s comment:
As society changes, so too must the Church in respect to what Catholic teachings are emphasized.
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This comment was criticized because it would mean that the Church needs to adjust to a changing society, and that this shouldn’t be allowed.

My example of slavery proves that the Church has changed in the past and consequently will do so in the future.
 
Hans_W said:
I am sure, nothing on this thread hasn’t been discussed before.
I was still responding to Robert Sock’s comment:

This comment was criticized because it would mean that the Church needs to adjust to a changing society, and that this shouldn’t be allowed.

My example of slavery proves that the Church has changed in the past and consequently will do so in the future.
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The Church does indeed change. It is a living breathing organism.
What does NOT change is morality. The Church never owned slaves.
 
pianistclare said:
And the Popes admonished them, and were ignored.
catholicnewsagency.com/resources/apologetics/controversies/slavery-and-the-catholic-church/
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That!👍
Popes did condemn racial slavery as early as 1435.
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However, such circumstances are very rare today. During biblical times, a man could voluntarily sell himself into slavery in order to pay off his debts (Deut. 15:12-18). But such slaves were to be freed on the seventh year or the Jubilee year (Lev. 25:54). The Church tolerated just-title servitude for a time because it is not wrong in itself, though it can be seriously abused. The Popes did, however, consistently oppose racial slavery which completely lacks any moral justification.
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With all these formal condemnations, it is a shame that the Popes were largely ignored by the Catholic laity and clergy.
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Robert_Sock said:
As society changes, so too must the Church in respect to what Catholic teachings are emphasized. The basic teachings of Christ, such and helping those in poverty, seems to be what Pope Francis is emphasizing.
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I quite disagree…“As society changes, so too must the Church in respect to what Catholic teachings are emphasized”…wow…If the Church should change to accomadate contemporary society…which seems tio be what is happening in sorm respects…please mark me down in the other ‘camp’…as it were… a good case in point…the Archbishop of San Francisco insisting on maintaining the Church’s teachings on individuals living in a active homosexual lifestyle, disregarding the Church’s teachings on aritificial contraception, the Sacrament of Marriage is for one man one woman…and so on and so forth…and a recent (this past week) over 100 people have attached their names to an article published in the local newspaper calling for his Holiness Pope Francis to intervene and dismis Bishop Cardeleone…Heaven help us…the Church must change to accomadate society…?
 
awsiukiewicz said:
I quite disagree…“As society changes, so too must the Church in respect to what Catholic teachings are emphasized”…wow…If the Church should change to accomadate contemporary society…which seems tio be what is happening in sorm respects…please mark me down in the other ‘camp’…as it were… a good case in point…the Archbishop of San Francisco insisting on maintaining the Church’s teachings on individuals living in a active homosexual lifestyle, disregarding the Church’s teachings on aritificial contraception, the Sacrament of Marriage is for one man one woman…and so on and so forth…and a recent (this past week) over 100 people have attached their names to an article published in the local newspaper calling for his Holiness Pope Francis to intervene and dismis Bishop Cardeleone…Heaven help us…the Church must change to accomadate society…?
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As you said, heaven help us! Lots of Rosaries are needed. This is a spiritual battle, a battle between light and darkness, truth and lie.

Here is a good letter to Pope by Professor Robert P. George . This is a letter should be published on newspaper.

Robert P. George is McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and Director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions at Princeton University

firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2015/04/a-letter-to-pope-francis 👍
 
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