Will Suicide Lead To Hell?

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Hello all, I have been thinking lately, will suicide ALWAYS lead to hell??? What if the person who has contemplated the though was very depressed at the time, and just began to slowly loose hope, and everyone turned their backs on him when he needed them the most, even family??????????????????:(
 
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Hello all, I have been thinking lately, will suicide ALWAYS lead to hell??? What if the person who has contemplated the though was very depressed at the time, and just began to slowly loose hope, and everyone turned their backs on him when he needed them the most, even family???😦
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misericordie,
committing suicide does not necessarily always lead to hell. suicide is a mortal sin, but in order for someone to commit a mortal sin, the action must be a grave matter, the person must have full knowledge that it is such, and they must have full consent of will. i have hope that a lot of suicide victims are in heaven because they did not necessarily fulfill all three conditions for a sin to be mortal. lastly we can never exactly be sure whether a person is in heaven or hell after committing suicide. we will only know after we die. until then we can hope the suicide victim is in heaven and we can pray for their soul.

God Bless,
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misericordie:
Hello all, I have been thinking lately, will suicide ALWAYS lead to hell??? What if the person who has contemplated the though was very depressed at the time, and just began to slowly loose hope, and everyone turned their backs on him when he needed them the most, even family???😦
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Mis, I know you’ve stuggle with depression for quite a while. I hope you are not talking about yourself here. If you’re having thoughts of suicide you need to see your doctor a.s.a.p. Life always gets better eventually -there are always up and downs. Sometimes things are really good and sometimes they really suck.
It’s very painful to feel alone in the world but you have lots of people on this forum who care about you and are praying for you.

When I was 13 I held my sister’s hand while she took her last breath, she died of cancer. My mom lost her mind, and my parent’s relationship was total insanity and chaos. Fighting, screaming until all hours of the night. My mom told me a horrible daughter because I wasn’t there for her, she told me she wished my sister would have lived instead of me. I know what it feels like to feel alone and unloved.

But look at me now, I would have missed a being married to a wonderful man and have a beautiful, sweet little girl. I would have missed so much if I had ended my life. Even in my marrage there were very tough times but it get’s better. It alway’s gets better. It’s hard to see that when your suffering but it’s really true.

Don’t you give up on life, don’t you lose hope. We’re all here for Mis. Your in my prayers and alot of other people’s too.
 
It’s coming up on 3 years since my only serious attempt at suicide. I wasn’t supposed to have lived, but somehow I made it. Of course, I wasn’t of the Catholic faith at the time, and had I been maybe things would have been different. But, I am bipolar, and should be on medication for the rest of my life. At the time, my ex-husband had talked me into getting off of it, because he didn’t believe in it. And then subsequent issues made me leave him. I won’t go into the whole story here, but I was in another state, and had gone to the hospital there several times, telling them that I felt suicidal and I knew the only way to stop myself was to go there and get help. They repeatedly turned me away, saying that if I was seeking help, I couldn’t be seriously suicidal. Well, I was. And it was not something I could control. I needed medication, but had no insurance, because my ex took me off of his the day I left. Without medication, I did not have the capacity to fight this off. I tried. Let me tell you, I tried. But, one day, the worst thing I could have imagined happened, and that was it. I drove to a secluded spot and took about 120 pills of varying types.

Somehow, about the time I should have lost consciousness for the last time, I realized that my thinking was wrong. My kids needed me, to lose their mother this way would scar them, and a “bad mother” (as I thought of myself at the time) was better than no mother.

Side note: I was not a bad mother, in fact I had been a very good mother, and still am. But, my thinking was distorted because I had my ex telling me I was.

So, the my next memory, a vague one, was stumbling into a fire station that I now know was about 10 miles away (I drove in that state! :eek:)

I don’t believe that, had I died in that condition, even if I hadn’t changed my mind, that it was with my own full consent. I do believe that had I known God in the way that I do now, that I would have known where to go for help. Perhaps I would never have stopped taking medication. But those are all what-if’s, and have no real bearing.

To anyone wondering about a loved one who may have committed suicide - put your faith in God, who knows their heart. For them to be with God in heaven right now is not an impossible idea.

To anyone contemplating suicide right now - it does get better. NO MATTER WHAT is happening, it will get better. I promise. You won’t always hurt like this, and there’s only one thing you need to do. Trust in God. If you truly can do that, the rest will follow. If you cannot, then reach out to someone who cares, be it family, friends, or even a stranger on forums somewhere. God loves you and wants to help.
 
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    Hello all, I have been thinking lately, will suicide ALWAYS lead to hell???  What if the person who has contemplated the though was very depressed at the time, and just began to slowly loose hope, and everyone turned their backs on him when he needed them the most, even family??????????????????:(
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From the CCC at 2325: Suicide is seriously contrary to justice, hope, and charity. It is forbidden by the fifth commandment.

This also makes it a grave or mortal sin. Simply put, the Catholic Church teaches us that if we die in a state of mortal sin, we will not enter Heaven. And I believe that we all know what the alternative to that is.

Now contemplating suicide is not committing the act itself but is a sinful act in its own right. God the Father is merciful and will help this person and if this person is someone you know, we should pray for him or her to seek help.

For such a person, I now pray that the Lord will grant him/her peace (please pray as you read): Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen. :gopray:
 
It would seam that for one to kill themselves and have full mental capacity at the same time would be a rather daunting task.
 
If you loose hope and think that God is not there for you then that is denial and suicide from that will lead you to hell!
 
The consistent teaching of the Church regarding suicide is somewhat more compassionate than some of these posters. The general view is that very few people would commit suicide in a right state of mind and that suicide is often “accidental” in that it was really a cry for help, which proved fatal. The Catechism of the Catholic Church staes(22282 and 2283)
“…Grave psychological disturbances,anguish,or grave fear of hardship,suffering or toture,can dmiish respnsibility”
“We should not despair of the eternal salvation of personswho have taken their own lives. By ways known to Him alone,God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance.”
 
Several years ago when I was in college I had a friend who committed suicide. Our priest gave a wonderful homily at her funeral.

He said that our brains are sort of like a computer – taking in all the data around us and trying to process it. Sometimes the data it takes in seems to spit out only one answer – escape. This often leads people to commit suicide.

If we have a faulty computer (brain), God is not going to punish us, as long as the suicide is not commited out of hate or spite or the intention of setting an example for someone else.

I have two family members who have committed suicide. People have a difficult time in dealing with the “why” as well as “didn’t he/she think about what this would do to their family?”

When someone is in that state of mind, and the pain they are in is so intense, escape is all they can think of, and they don’t think beyond the act itself. Many feel that their families are better off without them, that they are doing them a favor.

Whatever the case, we need to pray for the souls of those who have committed suicide, and the Church encourages us to do so. We should also pray for all those who are considering suicide. I especially find the prayer recited at the end of the Chaplet of Divine Mercy to be helpful:

Eternal God, in Whom mercy is endless and the treasury of compassion inexhaustible, look kindly upon us and increase your mercy in us, so that in difficult moments we might not despair nor become despondent, but with great confidence submit ourselves to Your holy will, which is love and mercy itself.
 
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Mis, I know you’ve stuggle with depression for quite a while. I hope you are not talking about yourself here. If you’re having thoughts of suicide you need to see your doctor a.s.a.p. Life always gets better eventually -there are always up and downs. Sometimes things are really good and sometimes they really suck.
It’s very painful to feel alone in the world but you have lots of people on this forum who care about you and are praying for you.

When I was 13 I held my sister’s hand while she took her last breath, she died of cancer. My mom lost her mind, and my parent’s relationship was total insanity and chaos. Fighting, screaming until all hours of the night. My mom told me a horrible daughter because I wasn’t there for her, she told me she wished my sister would have lived instead of me. I know what it feels like to feel alone and unloved.

But look at me now, I would have missed a being married to a wonderful man and have a beautiful, sweet little girl. I would have missed so much if I had ended my life. Even in my marrage there were very tough times but it get’s better. It alway’s gets better. It’s hard to see that when your suffering but it’s really true.

Don’t you give up on life, don’t you lose hope. We’re all here for Mis. Your in my prayers and alot of other people’s too.
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Thanks for all your advice. No no, I was just asking, this is not about me. I was just curious to know more because their seems to be much mystery in the subject.
 
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misericordie:
Hello all, I have been thinking lately, will suicide ALWAYS lead to hell??? What if the person who has contemplated the though was very depressed at the time, and just began to slowly loose hope, and everyone turned their backs on him when he needed them the most, even family???😦
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What if the thoughts are becoming stronger in the person??? With each passing day?
 
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misericordie:
What if the thoughts are becoming stronger in the person??? With each passing day?
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Then they need to seek help, from a priest AND a doctor. I visited a friend who is dying today, in great pain, in the emergency room, since the hospital is packed right now. He asked me if it was always wrong, twice. He was recieved into the Church latter in the evening.
I think he was almost out of his head, with the pain. Someone, somewhere, always has it worse. If the person you speak of were to ask me what to do, I would tell them to check themselves into a hospital and also call a priest.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Then they need to seek help, from a priest AND a doctor. I visited a friend who is dying today, in great pain, in the emergency room, since the hospital is packed right now. He asked me if it was always wrong, twice. He was recieved into the Church latter in the evening.
I think he was almost out of his head, with the pain. Someone, somewhere, always has it worse. If the person you speak of were to ask me what to do, I would tell them to check themselves into a hospital and also call a priest.
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true, great advice.
 
Don’t do that, ever. Committing suicide in the hope of being pardoned by God is very close to presumption if not already it. Presumption is one of the biggest problems a soul may have, if not the biggest one. Suicide is the ultimate rejection of what God has given to us, from this present world to life itself. It’s true that most suicides are in such a mental state that full knowledge and full consent are far from reality, but still… That state of mind is far from holy itself. There can be mitigating circumstances, but casting hopes on mitigating circumstances is a bad idea. Very bad.
 
Its been 21+ years, and I can tell you I was totally out of it… sleep deprivation (probably less than 2 or 3 hours sleep over several of days) , anxiety, stress whatever. I still don’t know the exact cause.

The doctors always diagnose depression, but I did not feel depressed. I wrote no note, nor did I plan anything out and neither did I even intend or think about doing any such thing. It was as spur of the moment thing and took less than 5 or 10 second maybe even a split second decision.

Prior to the last event, I was in a trance like dream like state. My thinking was totally out of wack but I could not figure out what was wrong. I desparately needed sleep but I did not feel sleepy.

I try to always be aware of how I’m thinking if that’s possible, and I always try to be aware if I’m not gettiing enough sleep. At the time I was a lapsed Catholic, so who knows where I would have ended up. IF it was H*ll I don’t think it would have been for the suicide attempt, I had no control or concept of right or wrong at the time. I was barely functional, and in fact barely awake.

I suppose IF I had been on drugs or drunk, I would have some culpability. If depression is a disease as doctors tell us it is, then folks suffering from depression are not responsible for being sick. The mercy of God is such that He does not hold folks accountable for actions over which they have no control.

It is important that we not judge others when we have no idea what they are going through. It is only recently that the Church has changed its view on suicides. In the past folks could be denied a Catholic burial, but I think that has been changed and mercifully so.

I don’t want to excuse suicide or in any way say it is right, but some folks have very little or no control of they are thinking or what they are doing.
 
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The doctors always diagnose depression, but I did not feel depressed. I wrote no note, nor did I plan anything out and neither did I even intend or think about doing any such thing. It was as spur of the moment thing and took less than 5 or 10 second maybe even a split second decision.

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I don’t want to excuse suicide or in any way say it is right, but some folks have very little or no control of they are thinking or what they are doing.
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This is a very important point. Depression doesn’t necessarily feel that bad. You don’t realize how colored your thinking has become, unless you are lucky enough that your conscience says, “WHOA!! Killing yourself is not a normal thought! You need help now!” For not a few people, depression doesn’t give you that chance.

Suicide is not always a free choice. If you are depressed and know it, though, it is your responsibility to take care of yourself, to the best of your ability. Don’t be too proud to ask for help. (This is a general admonition, not for anyone in particular.)
 
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chevalier:
Don’t do that, ever. Committing suicide in the hope of being pardoned by God is very close to presumption if not already it. Presumption is one of the biggest problems a soul may have, if not the biggest one. Suicide is the ultimate rejection of what God has given to us, from this present world to life itself. It’s true that most suicides are in such a mental state that full knowledge and full consent are far from reality, but still… That state of mind is far from holy itself. There can be mitigating circumstances, but casting hopes on mitigating circumstances is a bad idea. Very bad.
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Wait there seems to be confusion here: I did NOT MEAN ME!!! I WAS HAVING a theological conversation with a friend, and we were discussing this topic, after a person at his job did this. I would never consider this: My faith and my love of God would not allow it.
 
Sorry, I guess I’ve been a little hypersensitive because someone I know has overdosed some painkillers recently and I started worrying for you when I read the OP. 😉
 
Not to be glib, but do you really want to test God that way?

Christ understands what you are going through. Everyone turned their backs on Him. Learn from his example. He gave of himself when everyone gave up on him. Turn away from your anxiety, and go lend a hand to someone in need. I know that’s way easier said then done, but when people are suicidal, it’s often a result of total self-absorption. Often giving of yourself to another can turn the tide. No doubt there’s a soup kitchen in your area that could use an extra volunteer…or maybe an elderly neighbor needs a little extra help around the house. Find some outlet where you can help someone else.

Pray the chaplet of Divine Mercy before you go to bed each night. Do that for just a few days and see if you start thinking about things a little differently.

You are God’s creation. That alone makes you special…no matter what other people say or how they treat you. Jesus is with you now.

My prayers are with you.
 
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misericordie:
Wait there seems to be confusion here: I did NOT MEAN ME!!! I WAS HAVING a theological conversation with a friend, and we were discussing this topic, after a person at his job did this. I would never consider this: My faith and my love of God would not allow it.
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I repeat.
 
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