Will the Catholic Church acknowledge my son's future marriage? Can I go to the services?

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My son is 22, he wasconfirmed at16, went to college, now is dating (engaged to) a baaptised girl, planning on a September wedding with aBaptist minister, He says he is no longer Catholic, will not discuss why.
I have been told that we can go to the “wedding” because he says he has left the Church. Their source for this conclusion was supposed to be Canon law 1086 or 1089. Can someone find this and show it to me and try to explain to me why the Church says His ‘marriage’ will be acknowledged by the Church even though He is a baptized Catholic who has left the Church?
 
My son is 22, he wasconfirmed at16, went to college, now is dating (engaged to) a baptised girl, planning on a September wedding with aBaptist minister, He says he is no longer Catholic, will not discuss why.
I have been told that we can go to the “wedding” because he says he has left the Church. Their source for this conclusion was supposed to be Canon law 1086 or 1089. Can someone find this and show it to me and try to explain to me why the Church says His ‘marriage’ will be acknowledged by the Church even though He is a baptized Catholic who has left the Church?
If he is sincere in his belief that the Catholic Church is not the true Church he is no longer bound by her rules. If he were, all ex-Catholics should be excommunicated! His wedding will be morally and legally valid unless it is merely a pretext for doing what he likes but he is no longer entitled to receive the Sacraments.
 
Your son will always remain Catholic, at least in the way that the Church handles him according to canon law. That means that in order to marry he has to marry according to the laws of the Church for the marriage to be valid.

As for attending the wedding you’re are supposed to not give scandal by approving of a sinful relationship. You’re expected to decide on your own if attending would in any way constitute your approval and give scandal.
 
My son is 22, he wasconfirmed at16, went to college, now is dating (engaged to) a baaptised girl, planning on a September wedding with aBaptist minister, He says he is no longer Catholic, will not discuss why.
I have been told that we can go to the “wedding” because he says he has left the Church. Their source for this conclusion was supposed to be Canon law 1086 or 1089. Can someone find this and show it to me and try to explain to me why the Church says His ‘marriage’ will be acknowledged by the Church even though He is a baptized Catholic who has left the Church?
Most law books are hard to understand. I think your son needs to make a formal defection from the church. The idea of formal defections to allow valid natural marriages is basically a new idea of the 1983 Canon. I regard it as unworkable on the grounds as explained by Jimmy Akin in his article on the subject.

jimmyakin.org/2006/04/formal_defectio.html

The invalid union is seriously injurious to the souls of the couple who will immediately be in mortal sin. It is a matter of the most severe gravity. By attending such an event you are giving tacit support to the situation. I would not attend but your priest should know better than me.

Heres an interesting article from a priest catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0379.html
 
If he is sincere in his belief that the Catholic Church is not the true Church he is no longer bound by her rules. If he were, all ex-Catholics should be excommunicated! His wedding will be morally and legally valid unless it is merely a pretext for doing what he likes but he is no longer entitled to receive the Sacraments.
False.

With the effect of His Holiness Benedict XVI’s motu proprio from last year, Catholics, even those who formally defect from the church, are still bound by the church’s norms regarding the administration of the sacrament of marriage.

I think the whole reason for this was to remove the headaches that this exception was causing. The only recognized formal defection was to write a letter to your bishop or pastor that was received and acknowledged that indicated your desire to separate yourself from the church.

Hence, your son is still contracting an invalid marriage.

Now that I’d dispensed with the canon law, there’s the more pastoral side of it. It is most prudent not to act by what canon law says, but by what will be most beneficial for your son. If you genuinely believe that rejecting this marriage and signifying it by refusing to attend will lead your son to a more genuine faith in Christ and back to full communion with Christ’s Church, by all means, boycott the wedding.

If you believe it will only hinder your relationship with your son and make him more likely to hate the religion of his upbringing and continue to reject it in the future, I would recommend going. If she is wise, prayerful, and holy, although she is a heretic, then count yourself fortunate. It is not the end of the world. In fact, if you pray frequently and only try to show your son and his wife Christian charity, it may lead them home to the Catholic Church.

Technically, under canon law, your son is contracting an invalid marriage. However, canon law is the church militant’s law, and although she is undeniably holy, her canons are not perfect. Judging by their love and their intent for their marriage and their intent to follow God’s will, they may contract a marriage that while technically illicit and invalid, has all the other markings of a truly sacramental marriage. However, this is a best base scenario. Likely they intend to use contraception, which totally invalidates the marriage. However, simply because something is invalidated does not mean that it is wholly devoid of grace.

I recommend a lot of prayer, fasting, and extra effort to restoring an open, honest relationship with your son - evidently he is having trouble communicating to you exactly why he has rejected the Catholic faith.

I’d recommend submitting this as a question to the official people - they can give you a much better detailed answer than I.

You are not alone. Tomorrow, I will be in the wedding of my brother to a former Catholic - their marriage is definitely invalid. They plan to use contraception - I explained to him why it was wrong. By God’s grace, I think I explained it clearly enough to give him no just cause to use it. He could not respond. However, his heart is hard and he will still use it.

At the rehearsal, they were discussing how they are going to have communion at their wedding - for the bride and groom alone - such an odd idea. I’ve seen it at two weddings and heard about it at more. It exemplifies the, “Jesus and me and no one else” mentality that many American Evangelicals have. The Protestant pastor was saying that it didn’t matter if they use red or white wine or grape juice because it was just a representation. My brother, knowing I am Catholic looked at me and said something smart-alecky, and I said, rather confidently, “Yes, tomorrow it will be just a symbol, and nothing more.” I probably shouldn’t have. It was a little rude and impetuous, but he understood. I looked over and I saw the bride’s poor Catholic father. The pain in his eyes was tangible. He knew that it wasn’t going to be Christ they were ingesting at their wedding, that she wasn’t being married by a priest, and that she had rejected their faith (she is 22 as well, actually).

I will pray for you.
 
False.

With the effect of His Holiness Benedict XVI’s motu proprio from last year, Catholics, even those who formally defect from the church, are still bound by the church’s norms regarding the administration of the sacrament of marriage.

I think the whole reason for this was to remove the headaches that this exception was causing. The only recognized formal defection was to write a letter to your bishop or pastor that was received and acknowledged that indicated your desire to separate yourself from the church.

Hence, your son is still contracting an invalid marriage.

Now that I’d dispensed with the canon law, there’s the more pastoral side of it. It is most prudent not to act by what canon law says, but by what will be most beneficial for your son. If you genuinely believe that rejecting this marriage and signifying it by refusing to attend will lead your son to a more genuine faith in Christ and back to full communion with Christ’s Church, by all means, boycott the wedding.

If you believe it will only hinder your relationship with your son and make him more likely to hate the religion of his upbringing and continue to reject it in the future, I would recommend going. If she is wise, prayerful, and holy, although she is a heretic, then count yourself fortunate. It is not the end of the world. In fact, if you pray frequently and only try to show your son and his wife Christian charity, it may lead them home to the Catholic Church.

Technically, under canon law, your son is contracting an invalid marriage. However, canon law is the church militant’s law, and although she is undeniably holy, her canons are not perfect. Judging by their love and their intent for their marriage and their intent to follow God’s will, they may contract a marriage that while technically illicit and invalid, has all the other markings of a truly sacramental marriage. However, this is a best base scenario. Likely they intend to use contraception, which totally invalidates the marriage. However, simply because something is invalidated does not mean that it is wholly devoid of grace.
I am glad you admit “it is most prudent not to act by what canon law says, but by **what will be most beneficial **for your son”.

In fact Canon Law clearly states:

Can. 748 §2 “It is never lawful for anyone to force others to embrace the catholic faith against their conscience.”

It remains true that if your son is sincere in his belief that the Catholic Church is not the true Church he is no longer **morally **bound by her rules. His wedding will be morally and legally valid unless it is merely a pretext for doing what he likes but he is no longer entitled to receive the Sacraments of the Catholic Church.
 
I am glad you admit “it is most prudent not to act by what canon law says, but by **what will be most beneficial **for your son”.

In fact Canon Law clearly states:

Can. 748 §2 “It is never lawful for anyone to force others to embrace the catholic faith against their conscience.”

It remains true that if your son is sincere in his belief that the Catholic Church is not the true Church he is no longer **morally **bound by her rules. His wedding will be morally and legally valid unless it is merely a pretext for doing what he likes but he is no longer entitled to receive the Sacraments of the Catholic Church.
I agree with you. I think that if his son is sincere in his belief that the Catholic Church is not the true church he is no longer morally bound by her rules. However, because of the recent edits to canon law, there is no exception for those who leave the church. Any marriage his son contracts outside the Catholic Church without a dispensation from his bishop is invalid. That’s what the canon law says.

cathnewsusa.com/article.aspx?aeid=18373

So, legally, his son will not be contracting a valid marriage. However, again, if he is sincere, morally, I think he is.
 
This is a tough area for people. I can speak somewhat to the perspective of the young man in this situation (not cause I’m young…). I got married in 2006 in a pagan ceremony, and while our Catholic family members all came, I had one close devout friend who did not. I can respect it on the one hand as it’s very real to his conscience, but of course it was painful, and it confirmed my decision to leave the church a thousand times over. So it comes down to a decision of living by legalistic principle or by love. You can make your feelings clear to people without resorting to a boycott. By staying home, the parents would get the smug satisfaction of winning the argument and keeping their “sin record” free of the equivalent of a speeding ticket. The cost will be hardening the young man’s alienation from the church beyond repair and maybe even alienating him from his family. Nobody has even been browbeaten back into any faith.

If we’re back to splitting hairs, it might make a difference as to WHEN he defected from belief. The written requirement was not instituted until 2006, and the exemption not eliminated till early this year. If he quit before the 2006 reg, maybe he’s good. Or maybe it depends when the marriage is. …:confused:
 
This is a tough area for people. I can speak somewhat to the perspective of the young man in this situation (not cause I’m young…). I got married in 2006 in a pagan ceremony, and while our Catholic family members all came, I had one close devout friend who did not. I can respect it on the one hand as it’s very real to his conscience, but of course it was painful, and it confirmed my decision to leave the church a thousand times over. So it comes down to a decision of living by legalistic principle or by love. You can make your feelings clear to people without resorting to a boycott. By staying home, the parents would get the smug satisfaction of winning the argument and keeping their “sin record” free of the equivalent of a speeding ticket. The cost will be hardening the young man’s alienation from the church beyond repair and maybe even alienating him from his family. Nobody has even been browbeaten back into any faith.

If we’re back to splitting hairs, it might make a difference as to WHEN he defected from belief. The written requirement was not instituted until 2006, and the exemption not eliminated till early this year. If he quit before the 2006 reg, maybe he’s good. Or maybe it depends when the marriage is. …:confused:
You have my deep sympathy yet the lack of love by individuals is insignificant when it comes to the truth of Catholicism…
 
You have my deep sympathy yet the lack of love by individuals is insignificant when it comes to the truth of Catholicism…
It doesn’t matter how much of the truth of Catholicism a person has if he or she doesn’t have love:

1 Corinthians 13:1 If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.

1 John 4:8 Whoever is without love does not know God, for God is love.
 
You have my deep sympathy yet the lack of love by individuals is insignificant when it comes to the truth of Catholicism…
My statement taken out of its context may give the wrong impression. It means that a lack of love by some legalistic Catholics is not a good reason for leaving the Church!
 
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