Will the Church abolish mandatory celibacy?

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The secular media is at it again. I couldn’t find the original context of the quote but I’m betting the media is once again fixating on a comment and spinning out of recognition. Apparently the Archbishop also said “the Church must ‘reflect the democratic spirit of the times’ and take the opinions of its members into account”. Holy Mother Church is not a democracy and never will be one.
 
The archbishop didn’t say a thing that devout Catholics already didn’t know. And I don’t anticipate the Western tradition changing anytime soon.
 
seagal said:
The secular media is at it again. I couldn’t find the original context of the quote but I’m betting the media is once again fixating on a comment and spinning out of recognition. Apparently the Archbishop also said “the Church must ‘reflect the democratic spirit of the times’ and take the opinions of its members into account”. Holy Mother Church is not a democracy and never will be one.
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Try this link: ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/parolin-celibacy-democracy

Here is a bit of the interview (slightly less out of context)

Aren’t there two types of dogmas? Aren’t there unmovable dogmas that were instituted by Jesus and then there are those that came afterwards, during the course of the church’s history, created by men and therefore susceptible to change?

Certainly. There are dogmas that are defined and untouchable.
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Celibacy is not --**

It is not a church dogma and it can be discussed because it is a church tradition.

That goes back to what period?

To the early centuries. After its implementation, it was applied during the first millennium and after the Council of Trent, the church enforced it. It is a tradition, and the concept lives on within the church because during the course of all these years things have happened that have contributed to develop God’s revelation. This was completed with the death of the last apostle, Saint John. What happened afterwards was an increase in the comprehension and the living out of the revelation.

Speaking of celibacy –

The work the church did to institute ecclesiastical celibacy must be considered. We cannot simply say that it is part of the past. It is a great challenge for the pope, because he is the one with the ministry of unity and all of those decisions must be made thinking of the unity of the church and not to divide it. Therefore we can talk, reflect, and deepen on these subjects that are not definite, and we can think of some modifications, but always with consideration of unity, and all according to the will of God. It is not about what I would like but what God wants for His church.
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What does he want?**

God speaks in many ways. We must be careful to this voice that guides us on the causes and solutions. We have to take into account, at the moment of taking a decision, these criteria as well as to the opening to the spirit of the times.

Hope this helps.
 
I don’t think so. I know that the Catholic Church allows
married Anglican Priests who become Catholic Priests
to keep their wives. What’s the Church gonna do? Split
them up? But anybody Catholic who becomes a Priest
can’t marry, as they are to be 100% committed to God.
 
The Church will NEVER allow ordained Priests to marry. However, it MIGHT one day become possible for a married person to become ordained like it is in the Eastern Church. There is a difference. The first is dogma, the second is discipline.

If the Latin Church ever allows it in the Roman Rite (outside the few exceptions which already exist), I imagine only allowing select Deacons to be ordained with the backing of both their Pastor AND Bishop.

However, I would expect it to still be the “exception to the rule” not ever the norm.
 
phil19034 said:
The Church will NEVER allow ordained Priests to marry. However, it MIGHT one day become possible for a married person to become ordained like it is in the Eastern Church. There is a difference. The first is dogma, the second is discipline.

If the Latin Church ever allows it in the Roman Rite (outside the few exceptions which already exist), I imagine only allowing select Deacons to be ordained with the backing of both their Pastor AND Bishop.

However, I would expect it to still be the “exception to the rule” not ever the norm.
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Married men are allowed to be ordained as deacons. The vast majority of deacons are ordained while they are married.

-Tim-
 
The Church offers the choice now, as married men may enter seminary in the Eastern rites as it is. As well, there are a few married priests in the Latin rite. Yet, priestly celibacy is very biblical, so there is zero reason to think that the discipline will be changed. Prayer is biblical. Will the Church also remove the discipline of prayer?

Best to turn the secular media off. For good. They make $$$ by generating controversy. I have tidied up the following analogy. The media is like a police informant: they may provide accurate information, but their primary goal is to make money.
 
Timi_Celcer said:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2419332/Popes-right-hand-man-says-priests-allowed-marry-says-celibacy-tradition-law.html

I am 100% behing priest’s celibacy. I found out that for a job like being a priest, you must be fully commited and cannot be married. You can only be 100% devoted to God if you are in a celibacy. So what do you think? Do you support celibacy or not? Since priest’s celibacy is not a dogma will they change it?
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It is possible but unlikely. Most priest I know do not want the change is this discipline. Unless it could be shown that it would somehow have a long term benefit to the mother church, no change in the near future.
 
po18guy said:
The Church offers the choice now, as married men may enter seminary in the Eastern rites as it is. As well, there are a few married priests in the Latin rite. Yet, priestly celibacy is very biblical, so there is zero reason to think that the discipline will be changed. Prayer is biblical. Will the Church also remove the discipline of prayer?

Best to turn the secular media off. For good. They make $$$ by generating controversy. I have tidied up the following analogy. The media is like a police informant: they may provide accurate information, but their primary goal is to make money.
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Very good. I agree. You can’t sell your news if the headline reads: “Things going well.”

Peace,
Ed
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
I don’t think so. I know that the Catholic Church allows
married Anglican Priests who become Catholic Priests
to keep their wives. What’s the Church gonna do? Split
them up? But anybody Catholic who becomes a Priest
can’t marry, as they are to be 100% committed to God.
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There are a good number of married men in the Priesthood - somewhere around 0.5% of Catholic priests are validly and licitly married men, validly and licitly ordained. Not all of them converts. The Eastern Churches in union with Rome have long histories of married priests - but they also have their share of unmarried clergy, as well, and account for, world wide, a significant number of priests. For being a touch shy of 2% of the faithful, the eastern churches are almost 3% of the priests, and a large chunk are married men.
 
phil19034 said:
The Church will NEVER allow ordained Priests to marry. However, it MIGHT one day become possible for a married person to become ordained like it is in the Eastern Church. There is a difference. The first is dogma, the second is discipline.
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While your conclusion is correct, your basis is wrong. Both are disciplinary. Priests can be dispensed from their promise/vow of celibacy, but this is never done until after the completion of laicization. There is nothing doctrinal to prevent a priest from marrying, merely the fact that he has made a promise or vow not to do so.
 
Aramis said:
There are a good number of married men in the Priesthood - somewhere around 0.5% of Catholic priests are validly and licitly married men, validly and licitly ordained. Not all of them converts. The Eastern Churches in union with Rome have long histories of married priests - but they also have their share of unmarried clergy, as well, and account for, world wide, a significant number of priests. For being a touch shy of 2% of the faithful, the eastern churches are almost 3% of the priests, and a large chunk are married men.
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Ah, I see. Thank you.
 
Timi_Celcer said:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2419332/Popes-right-hand-man-says-priests-allowed-marry-says-celibacy-tradition-law.html

I am 100% behing priest’s celibacy. I found out that for a job like being a priest, you must be fully commited and cannot be married. You can only be 100% devoted to God if you are in a celibacy. So what do you think? Do you support celibacy or not? Since priest’s celibacy is not a dogma will they change it?
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Being a discipline and not a doctrine it can be changed but I think its unlikely to be changed.
My opinion on this topic is neutral. It doesn’t make any difference to me if its left as it is or if its changed.
 
Timi_Celcer said:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2419332/Popes-right-hand-man-says-priests-allowed-marry-says-celibacy-tradition-law.html

I am 100% behing priest’s celibacy. I found out that for a job like being a priest, you must be fully commited and cannot be married. You can only be 100% devoted to God if you are in a celibacy. So what do you think? Do you support celibacy or not? Since priest’s celibacy is not a dogma will they change it?
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First of all, being a priest is not a “job”, it’s a vocation from God. Second of all most Eastern Catholic and Orthodox priests are indeed married. What you suggest is nonsense.

I do think that the celibate bishopric in both the West and the East will remain. I think that eventually there will be both celibate and married priests in the West.
 
Elizium23 said:
While your conclusion is correct, your basis is wrong. Both are disciplinary. Priests can be dispensed from their promise/vow of celibacy, but this is never done until after the completion of laicization. There is nothing doctrinal to prevent a priest from marrying, merely the fact that he has made a promise or vow not to do so.
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It’s not even automatic upon laicization. Priests laicized for violations of canon law often are not released from their vows/promises.
 
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