Will the Church ever change the way mass is celebrated again?

[thephilosopher6]

Will the Church ever change the mass again in the future? like how the affects of Vatican II changed the ordinary form from the Latin mass to the Novus Ordo. This of course was a major change for the mass. Will this ever happen again in the future? Like, what do you think the mass will be like in about 100 years?

 

[JuniperoSerra]

Will the Church ever change the mass again in the future? like how the affects of Vatican II changed the ordinary form from the Latin mass to the Novus Ordo. This of course was a major change for the mass. Will this ever happen again in the future? Like, what do you think the mass will be like in about 100 years?

1. VC2 did not change the Mass.
2. “Mass” is always capitalized.
3. It’s “Ordinary Form”/“Mass of Pope Paul VI” and “Trinitine Mass.” “Novus Ordo” is offensive and inaccurate.
4. Will the order of the Mass change again in the future? Without a doubt. Only God knows.

 

[KnightOfSPUD]

Will the Church ever change the mass again in the future? like how the affects of Vatican II changed the ordinary form from the Latin mass to the Novus Ordo. This of course was a major change for the mass. Will this ever happen again in the future? Like, what do you think the mass will be like in about 100 years?

I pray not. But if it is necessary so be it but I believe that so far the Ordinary Form of the Mass has already reached its end. For centuries, the Mass has been revised and reformed but in small details until the Second Vatican Council. I believe that it would change but not in a drastic way. Probably in 2,000 more years something like Vatican II would happen.

Besides the Church is Eternal

 

[7_Sorrows]

maybe not in my lifetime anyway. I will be 64 in a couple of weeks.

 

[TarkanAttila]

Will the Church ever change the mass again in the future? like how the affects of Vatican II changed the ordinary form from the Latin mass to the Novus Ordo. This of course was a major change for the mass. Will this ever happen again in the future? Like, what do you think the mass will be like in about 100 years?

I don’t think the Ordo Missae will change in 100 years - it took 500 years to go from the Tridentine Mass to the Ordinary Form of our time.

But do I hope someone comes down on priests to stop playing fast and loose with the rubrics. That, more than anything, is a big part of the problem with the “Novus Ordo”.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I don’t think the Ordo Missae will change in 100 years - it took 500 years to go from the Tridentine Mass to the Ordinary Form of our time.

But do I hope someone comes down on priests to stop playing fast and loose with the rubrics. That, more than anything, is a big part of the problem with the “Novus Ordo”.

could you give an example?

 

[littlestsouls2]

Persecution will purify the Church, which I imagine, hope, and pray will result - eventually - in a beautiful liturgy.

If the liturgy was celebrated more often according to the directives of the Church, there is no doubt that we would have a surge in vocations; the world would benefit immensely.

 

[Vic_Taltrees_UK]

1. VC2 did not change the Mass.

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Indeed, it was changed in stages from about 1950 to 1962.

There was then a further rather confused change in 1969.

Many dishonest Catholic authorities like to misrepresent these facts.

Though I was only a child, I particularly liked (i.e got something out of) the short lived 1962-69 version.

 

[pianistclare]

Change is not bad.
You might want to read a book on the History of the Mass.
There’s much that no one would want to go back to. The Mass that many long for was the Mass for a relatively short time, in the grand scheme of things.
This has been posted in countless threads before.
One who thinks everything is horrible should understand that our faith and our church is a living, breathing organism. Christ meets the needs of His people.
There’s a reason why obedience is highly recommended. When we start going with “what we wish” the liturgy looked like, we always cause problems.
Go to Mass, receive the Lord worthily, and stop “wondering” about how He is going to shape His church. Just allow Him to do it.
peace.

 

[Stephen_says]

1. VC2 did not change the Mass.
2. “Mass” is always capitalized.
3. It’s “Ordinary Form”/“Mass of Pope Paul VI” and “Trinitine Mass.” “Novus Ordo” is offensive and inaccurate.
4. Will the order of the Mass change again in the future? Without a doubt. Only God knows.

Why is Novus Ordo offensive?

 

[tawny]

Change is not bad.
You might want to read a book on the History of the Mass.
There’s much that no one would want to go back to. The Mass that many long for was the Mass for a relatively short time, in the grand scheme of things.
This has been posted in countless threads before.
One who thinks everything is horrible should understand that our faith and our church is a living, breathing organism. Christ meets the needs of His people.
There’s a reason why obedience is highly recommended. When we start going with “what we wish” the liturgy looked like, we always cause problems.
Go to Mass, receive the Lord worthily, and stop “wondering” about how He is going to shape His church. Just allow Him to do it.
peace.

Well stated.

 

[OraLabora]

Will the Church ever change the mass again in the future? like how the affects of Vatican II changed the ordinary form from the Latin mass to the Novus Ordo. This of course was a major change for the mass. Will this ever happen again in the future? Like, what do you think the mass will be like in about 100 years?

Who knows?

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

The Mass will change again given the second coming has not happened yet.
Actually even if it does…
Hopefully the Mass will change sooner rather than later.

 

[thistle]

Nobody can say or know if it will be changed. All we can say is that it can be changed.
Remember the Form of the Mass is not doctrinal. It falls under disciplinary law. The only thing that cannot be changed is the consecration and the priests receiving.

 

[ProVobis]

Indeed, it was changed in stages from about 1950 to 1962.

There was then a further rather confused change in 1969.

Many dishonest Catholic authorities like to misrepresent these facts.

Though I was only a child, I particularly liked (i.e got something out of) the short lived 1962-69 version.

Interesting. This was the period where the Roman Missal was actually being dismantled. Nothing was added.

 

[thephilosopher6]

1. VC2 did not change the Mass.
2. “Mass” is always capitalized.
3. It’s “Ordinary Form”/“Mass of Pope Paul VI” and “Trinitine Mass.” “Novus Ordo” is offensive and inaccurate.
4. Will the order of the Mass change again in the future? Without a doubt. Only God knows.

I know VC2 didn’t change Mass. But what is brought about did. The Mass changed in 1969. And frankly, I don’t find Novus Ordo offensive. Most don’t. It’s just a nickname.

 

[porthos11]

Will the Church ever change the mass again in the future? like how the affects of Vatican II changed the ordinary form from the Latin mass to the Novus Ordo. This of course was a major change for the mass. Will this ever happen again in the future? Like, what do you think the mass will be like in about 100 years?

Yes, absolutely. Changes to the Mass, major or minor are nothing new and has gone on throughout the Church’s history. We may not know how it will be in the near or distant future, but the Mass will definitely change.

 

[twf]

Based on my personal observations, and what I’ve heard here and elsewhere online, younger priests are more likely to incorporate traditional elements such as chant and incense into the mass. Even Latin and the ad orientem orientation are slowly cropping up again in various places. When Pope Emeritus Benedict granted all priests of the Latin Church the right to say the Extraordinary Form of the Mass (according to the 1962 missal), he expressed a desire that the Ordinary Form (Novus Ordo) be influenced by the Extraordinary Form and vice versa. Cardinal Sarah, whom Pope Francis appointed Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, has lauded the Ad Orientem orientation and has discussed the possibility of revising the Novus Ordo missal to include such options as the more traditional offertory texts / prayers as found in the Extraordinary Form.
I believe that in a hundred years the ordinary mass as celebrated in most parishes will still be the “Novus Ordo” (though by that time no longer “New”), that is the Missal as promulgated by Bl. Paul VI in 1969, but with a few revisions (as has happened a number of times already since 1969), but generally celebrated in a more traditional manner. I foresee traditional sacred music, chant, incense, and even ad orientem as the norm down the road rather than anomalies. The vernacular won’t go away, but Latin will be used.
At our cathedral here in Vancouver, Sunday masses often include certain parts of the ordinary sung in Latin (such as the Gloria), generous use of incense, most of the propers chanted, and distribution of holy communion at the altar rail.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

1. VC2 did not change the Mass.
2. “Mass” is always capitalized.
3. It’s “Ordinary Form”/“Mass of Pope Paul VI” and “Trinitine Mass.” “Novus Ordo” is offensive and inaccurate.
4. Will the order of the Mass change again in the future? Without a doubt. Only God knows.

1. The Council Fathers at Vatican II ordered the “reform and restoration” of the liturgy…the Council Fathers mandated that there were to be changes to the Mass, for each the sacraments, the Divine Office, and the institution of the sacramentals. The implementation follows the Council Fathers broad directives. From Paragraph 21 of Sacrosanctum Concilium:

*21. In order that the Christian people may more certainly derive an abundance of graces from the sacred liturgy, holy Mother Church desires to undertake with great care a general restoration of the liturgy itself. For the liturgy is made up of immutable elements divinely instituted, and of elements subject to change. These not only may but ought to be changed with the passage of time if they have suffered from the intrusion of anything out of harmony with the inner nature of the liturgy or have become unsuited to it.

In this restoration, both texts and rites should be drawn up so that they express more clearly the holy things which they signify; the Christian people, so far as possible, should be enabled to understand them with ease and to take part in them fully, actively, and as befits a community.

Wherefore the sacred Council establishes the following general norms: [etc.] *

1. In all the years I was a professor of liturgy and sacraments, the terms I applied in lectures were invariably the vetus ordo and the novus ordo, since they precisely apply to the Mass and to the rites for celebrating the sacraments and to the blessing and imparting sacramentals as well as the editions of the breviary. I have no idea why you think these terms are “offensive” or “inaccurate”. They are perfectly acceptable terms. The use of descriptors are myriad. It is Pope Benedict who coined the phrasing “Ordinary Form” and “Extraordinary Form”, which I occasionally use in English but almost never in other languages. One may speak of the missals of Saint John XXIII and Blessed Paul VI.

I presume when you write “Trinitine Mass,” you mean “Tridentine.”

 

[7_Sorrows]

I know VC2 didn’t change Mass. But what is brought about did. The Mass changed in 1969. And frankly, I don’t find Novus Ordo offensive. Most don’t. It’s just a nickname.

I am a convert. so how did the Mass change in 1969.