Will the Church of England die?

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tomarin said:
I wish he would write something longer and more permanent than a message board post.
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true that. GKC should be an author. There REALLY ought to be a great author named GKC. (Oh yeah…!) 😉
 
Bryan_Greenlee said:
In regards to the Church of England ,they who are in the Anglican Church who think they are true Catholics are mistaken ,or who believe they have a valid Eucharist are also mistaken.Because their Orders were declaired invalid in 1896 by Pope Leo XIII and remain so.Due to the Anglicans break with Apostolic succession and changing the ordination rite .Plus their lack and theological misunderstanding of the true nature of the Eucharist.
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Incorrect, as to the justification in Apostolicae Curae. A hobby of mine, that Letter, for many years.

And, as you can imagine, while any RC should affirm* AC*, at the appropriate level of theological certainty, Anglicans can have a different view of the matter (and the form, and the intent).

GKC
 
liturgyluver said:
Me too.
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Yeah, but then I’d have to know something, and express it in a more useful manner than the scholars I’ve learned it from. Unlikely.

Though, truth be told, you can find my name (real one), in around 5-6 books.

Ya’ll have no idea how much you’ve raised my somewhat lagging spirits.

Thank you all.

GKC
 
tomarin said:
The Hiroshima ones seem the longest.
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(SHHHH). Bite your tongue.

No, the longest were a series of about 6 posts, connected, on the details of Henry’s Great Matter, emphasis on the impediment system, a series 5-6 posts, similarly, on Apostolicae Curae (coincidentally) and a smashing and thrashing of a fundamentalist, who was sure that the sign of the Beast was the Sign of the Cross, in 3 posts, on another site.

On the other thing, I have no idea what you are referring to.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Yeah, but then I’d have to know something, and express it in a more useful manner than the scholars I’ve learned it from. Unlikely.

Though, truth be told, you can find my name (real one), in around 5-6 books.

Ya’ll have no idea how much you’ve raised my somewhat lagging spirits.

Thank you all.

GKC
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I’ll take a copy of any book with your name in it for Christmas!
Peace in Christ,
Mary.
 
GKC said:
Incorrect, as to the justification in Apostolicae Curae. A hobby of mine, that Letter, for many years.

And, as you can imagine, while any RC should affirm* AC*, at the appropriate level of theological certainty, Anglicans can have a different view of the matter (and the form, and the intent).

GKC
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They have a greater understanding of the Blessed Eucharst than most other Protestants such as the Baptists and Calvinist. But they still have a lesser understanding than we do as Catholics, they believe in Consubstantiation where we as Catholics we believe in Transubstantiation.I have read Apostolicae Curae ,and many other sources on the subject.
 
Bryan_Greenlee said:
They have a greater understanding of the Blessed Eucharst than most other Protestants such as the Baptists and Calvinist. But they still have a lesser understanding than we do as Catholics, they believe in Consubstantiation where we as Catholics we believe in Transubstantiation.I have read Apostolicae Curae ,and many other sources on the subject.
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Not necessarily. There are Anglicans who affirm Transubstantiation. Consubstantiation is more of a Lutheran thing (and I’ve heard Lutherans object to that too).
 
Efrasios said:
Hopefully it will! The Church of England is heretical and was inspired by the Devil- it is the underlying cause of all England’s misery and is the worst thing to happen in the history of this country. I despise the Church of England, not it’s people, but I despise the concept of the Anglican church and it’s liberal & heretical leadership.
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Ouch! Bit harsh that!

After reading some of the similair opinions on the first page or 2 of this thread, i skipped the rest so forgive me if my point has aleady been made.
Hiwever might I be so bold as to humbly remind some of our friends on here that despite the less than ideal reasons for the Anglican church coming into existence, she is none the less Christian, and frankly, a lot more Christian than many of the denominations by that name in the USA. Certainly our church recognises the CofE as Christian and has done for a very long time. - diplomatic relations between the last few Archbishops of Canterbury and the recent Popes have been at an all time high. The current archbishop of Canterbury has taken a very Christian stance AGAINST gay marriage, and against financial institutions which abuse the poor and cause poverty. Rather than being the cause of England’s misery, he’s standing up against the causes of said misery.
Now, while they may not be theologically and doctrinally perfect, and these issues will need to be resolved, I hope that the CofE will in this generation or the next, return to full communion with Rome. I realise that this requires a lot of changes on behalf of the CofE, but in the meantime, they are very much our allies in the battle against secularism, moral relitivism, and the current Un-Christian state of world affairs.
The worst thing that happened to our country was when our politicians became puppets of the globalist financial elite (eg the big banks), and when our judicial system and police force became inextricably riddled with freemasonic corruption. - the worst thing tha happened to this country categorically was NOT the CofE, although in a perfect world, I admit, there would only be the Church IN England (as in Catholic Church in England).
Efrasios, friend, these are NOT inspired by the devil, they are merely imperfect Christians like you and I. There ARE unfortunately churches inspired by the devil (eg: CoS, temple of Set, neo-paganism, “the new age” etc etc), but you’re being unfair to label our Anglican friends as such.

God bless

Paul.

Out of curiosity, would anyone else like to see the CofE and the orthodox rejoin us under one banner?
 
It isn’t dead already? I mean it may appear alive because it has members but the proud protestant church of yonder is dead.
 
Bryan_Greenlee said:
They have a greater understanding of the Blessed Eucharst than most other Protestants such as the Baptists and Calvinist. But they still have a lesser understanding than we do as Catholics, they believe in Consubstantiation …
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I’m sure you can find a few Anglicans who subscribe to consubstantiation, but it’s not a characteristic of Anglicanism historically. They believe in transubstantiation like we do, they just don’t actually experience it since they don’t have a valid priesthood anymore (admittedly a lengthy argument!). AC essentially argued that Holy Orders died out in Anglicanism before the theology of Holy Orders and the Eucharist was restored to a pretty orthodox catholic view (from a stint as a surprisingly Calvinist view). Fixing theology, however, cannot restore Holy Orders where it has become extinct though (validly ordained bishops all died out). But since you’ve read AC, you should know all that.

How come Anglican threads always get fragmented like this? 😃
 
manualman said:
I’m sure you can find a few Anglicans who subscribe to consubstantiation, but it’s not a characteristic of Anglicanism historically. They believe in transubstantiation like we do, they just don’t actually experience it since they don’t have a valid priesthood anymore (admittedly a lengthy argument!). AC essentially argued that Holy Orders died out in Anglicanism before the theology of Holy Orders and the Eucharist was restored to a pretty orthodox catholic view (from a stint as a surprisingly Calvinist view). Fixing theology, however, cannot restore Holy Orders where it has become extinct though (validly ordained bishops all died out). But since you’ve read AC, you should know all that.

How come Anglican threads always get fragmented like this? 😃
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Because Anglican threads are motley; they discuss Anglicans, in the main.

I could unravel this thread further, for example. But I won’t.

GKC
 
porthos11 said:
Consubstantiation is more of a Lutheran thing (and I’ve heard Lutherans object to that too).
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If you even need several Lutherans, just say the word “consubstantiation” and we’ll appear out of nowhere just to refute it.

As a Lutheran, it’s rather awkward. I’ve been teleported several times without the benefit of clothing several times already. I’ve taken to clutching a towel just in case.
 
benjohnson said:
If you even need several Lutherans, just say the word “consubstantiation” and we’ll appear out of nowhere just to refute it.

As a Lutheran, it’s rather awkward. I’ve been teleported several times without the benefit of clothing several times already. I’ve taken to clutching a towel just in case.
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I was waiting for you guys LCMS to show up.
Maybe we could start a separate thread on Consubstantiation and keep this one on topic.
 
So someone deleted my post from half hour ago. Nice
I know I actually posted it cos I’ve still got the page open in a different browser window (haven’t clicked refresh on that window yet so it’s still there). I only found it was deleted cos I clicked the link in one of them “someone has responded to a thread” emails from CAF, which caused the same thread to open in a new browser window.
Someone care to pm me or email and let me know why my post was removed?
Thank you ever so much.
 
manualman said:
I’m sure you can find a few Anglicans who subscribe to consubstantiation, but it’s not a characteristic of Anglicanism historically. They believe in transubstantiation like we do, they just don’t actually experience it since they don’t have a valid priesthood anymore (admittedly a lengthy argument!). AC essentially argued that Holy Orders died out in Anglicanism before the theology of Holy Orders and the Eucharist was restored to a pretty orthodox catholic view (from a stint as a surprisingly Calvinist view). Fixing theology, however, cannot restore Holy Orders where it has become extinct though (validly ordained bishops all died out). But since you’ve read AC, you should know all that.

How come Anglican threads always get fragmented like this? 😃
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Yes you are correct,historically Anglicans did believe in Transubstantiation .King Henry VIII was a Catholic and he still held Catholic beliefs ,overtime with the Angilcan rites resembling more and more Protestant services {like the low Anglicans }things just fell apart over time .It’s a known fact King Heney VIII disagree with the Protestant theology,he just like the administration it gave him.
 
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