He toyed with some Lutheran ideas, for political reasons, late in life, and was somewhat influenced by his last wife, who had a reformed bent. But generally, he was a Catholic. See the 6 Articles, particularly the first.
Until and unless otherwise noted on this thread, I’m just going to tell you that GKC’s got the facts on this. He’s even good enough to disclose when he moves from facts to his opinions (he obviously disagrees with the conclusions of AC).
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I agree. I think every church should steer clear of government entanglements. Too many ways for the gov’t to manipulate a church once a church gets used to something like federal funding for certain programs.
I know you’re right about that, but I have yet to find it stated in a list of forum rules, so I was hoping you could show me where the rule is, maybe? After all, if someone didn’t know that ahead time, they could get in trouble for a wrong they had no intention of committing…theoretically.
Ben:
He’s being facetious, referring to his idea that Lutherans can sense when they’re being accused of believing in consubstantiation and assemble at once to refute it as if they’re a team of super-hero doctrinal defenders.
Good; now they can assemble together on the Lutheran/Consubstantiation thread I started: Ben, Jon, Don, Evangel Catholic I’m paging you all to my thread LOL
)I’m not sure what you mean by state assistance: the CofE isn’t like some other European state churches where the government foots the wage bill. There are, or course, debates still about disestablishment, but increasingly the debate is about whether the state would be better off without a state church (rather than the other way around). My impression is that most people, of many faiths (and the value of the state church has been expressed by Jews and Muslims as well as Christians), believe an established church provides a constant presence of faith to national life and the national discussions, and that such a presence is too valuable to be discarded. Other than that my guess (and it can hardly be anything other than that) is that the Church of England, England’s church, will last as long as the Church lasts in England.
Is it… now that is something I have learned if it to be true. Where did you learn that Daily Telegraph is a Roman Catholic paper? All I know is that Dr Rowan Williams was picked upon by the media most of the time yet archbishop Sentamual (spelling) appears to be in favour with the media. But true our media are just a propaganda machine like anywhere else and only say what they want us to hear and not what is… and the Church of England gets a hard time many-a-time but there again I think the Catholic Church gets an equally hard time too as only time they are mentioned is in relation to any sex/child abuse scandle. The two faiths get a poor deal out of our media including the telegraph - that is how I view it all round.
Perhaps I’m reading into things too far here, but this sounds an awful lot like the continental protestant versions of the “invisible church” theory. I thought Anglicans thought of themselves as catholics (visible and knowable church with apostolic succession). Or is this one of those “motley” issues?
Sounds a bit like motleydom, doesn’t it? I suppose the CofE may be a particularly motley part of the Anglican world because, as you know, as a national church it provides a home for Christians stretching from those of a Calvinist persuasion to those who, in the dark, might almost be taken for Romans.
It’s certainly visible. If you can find it. You just have to look.
