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emarc
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it’s in the news today that obl maybe very sick. if he died today, do you think the muslim world will grieve and shed tears? 
God bless.
God bless.
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jakasaki
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Some muslims will glow with glee because they know he gives islam and the muslims a bad name, while others who follow him and hold up his pictures in demontrations and other places will be sad.it’s in the news today that obl maybe very sick. if he died today, do you think the muslim world will grieve and shed tears?
God bless.
But I’m sure you know the old quote from a song…
"meet the new boss, same as the old boss… " The Who…
If bin Laden goes, there is always the other guy with the dent on his forehead to follow (Ayman Muhammad Rabaie al-Zawahiri) in his footsteps and carry on the task, which he already has been doing.
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Muslim_Woman
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It’s impossible to carry attacks on US from caves of Afghanistan. If Muslims really have that power , why they are so oppressed now ? If really they are capable of doing so , why kill innocent people instead of killing those who are oppressing Muslims ? Muslims did not profit from 9/11 , instead they became the victims. US now can attack any Muslim majority country by claming that they have realtionship with Laden.
God asks in Quran : And why should you not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: ‘Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Yourside one who will protect; and raise for us from Yourside one who will help!’) (An-Nisaa’ 4:75).
Many if not most Muslims don’t have courage to protest against the injustice , they are fond of this earthy life . Very few Muslims have courage to raise voice . If Laden is really responsible for 9/11 , I hope he will offer his sincere repentance before death approaches & God will forgive him .
I will offer 2 rakat ( minimum) nafal Salat ( extra prayer ) for him ; so that God forgives his sins .
Salaam/peace
I don’t think so . He could enjoy a luxurious life if he wanted . Instead he decided to fight against injustice. Many ( including me) don’t believe that Laden or Muslims are responsible for 9/11 .
It’s impossible to carry attacks on US from caves of Afghanistan. If Muslims really have that power , why they are so oppressed now ? If really they are capable of doing so , why kill innocent people instead of killing those who are oppressing Muslims ? Muslims did not profit from 9/11 , instead they became the victims. US now can attack any Muslim majority country by claming that they have realtionship with Laden.
God asks in Quran : And why should you not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: ‘Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Yourside one who will protect; and raise for us from Yourside one who will help!’) (An-Nisaa’ 4:75).
Many if not most Muslims don’t have courage to protest against the injustice , they are fond of this earthy life . Very few Muslims have courage to raise voice . If Laden is really responsible for 9/11 , I hope he will offer his sincere repentance before death approaches & God will forgive him .
I will offer 2 rakat ( minimum) nafal Salat ( extra prayer ) for him ; so that God forgives his sins .
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emarc
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i hope he repents too, for the sake of his soul. i don’t believe he was not responsible. he openly admitted he planned it, he had an obl video tapes shown all over the world where he was directing the 9/11 attack, he knew the 19 muslims who perpetrated it, and many other evidence pointing to him as the mastermind. clearly, it was orchestrated by him. i tend to believe only the america haters would disagree w/ this. several other attacks killing many innocents in other places were also carried out by al queda, so i could not say his hands were clean.
God bless.
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ricko
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The truth is OBL and his followers did in fact carry out the massacre of 2,000 innocent people on 9/11. The evidence is here on this link giving a brief rundown:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_September_11_attacks
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_September_11_attacks
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ferdie
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You need to reexamine the evidence MW. Don’t look for information from radical muslim sites, they are bias! Go to refutable news organizations.
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ralphinal
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I am glad to know that the evil, vile, disgusting people who were on those planes and in the towers were brought to justice by OBL.
GIVE ME A BREAK! No matter how you want to spin it, the man is EVIL. He is of the devil himself. In fact, he may be worse. At least the devil stays in the shadows. OBL is proud of his evil.
There will be some who cry the loss of him.
There will be those who are glad that the blight is gone.
There will be some who do not care.
But, in the end, he will be a force even in death. Once he dies, look for the Muslim world to cry out against our attempt to end terrorist groups. After all, once he is dead, there is safety again, right?
And for those of you who think that he could not or did not plan it, you are wrong on so many levels that there is no reason to discuss it. It was a small opperation that could easily be planned in a cave. Just for historical record, the Bay of Pigs was planned at a bar in Birmingham, Alabama. It would have worked had the President allowed air support. And that involved invaiding and overthrowing a government.
GIVE ME A BREAK! No matter how you want to spin it, the man is EVIL. He is of the devil himself. In fact, he may be worse. At least the devil stays in the shadows. OBL is proud of his evil.
There will be some who cry the loss of him.
There will be those who are glad that the blight is gone.
There will be some who do not care.
But, in the end, he will be a force even in death. Once he dies, look for the Muslim world to cry out against our attempt to end terrorist groups. After all, once he is dead, there is safety again, right?
And for those of you who think that he could not or did not plan it, you are wrong on so many levels that there is no reason to discuss it. It was a small opperation that could easily be planned in a cave. Just for historical record, the Bay of Pigs was planned at a bar in Birmingham, Alabama. It would have worked had the President allowed air support. And that involved invaiding and overthrowing a government.
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cthulhubryan
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Then many, including you, need to reexamine the evidence. He claimed responsibility. He is EVIL. Shaitan!
That is a great question. Why are Muslims always killing innocents? Hamas, Hizbollah, Islamic Jihad, all Muslim groups and all target innocents. Why does Hamas not fight against Israel in an open fight to attack those they believe are oppressing them instead of hiding behind the skirts of little girls?
I truly hope he becomes convinces of the evil of his ways. He would probably need to turn himself in to American authorities in order to get to a Christian priest to confess though.
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cathopologist
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I don’t think you speak for Muslims worldwide. In fact, you are part of a radical pack who do believe OBL is a circumstantial saint in a series of unfortunate coincidental incidents.
Since you’re in the mood to offer intercessory prayers, kindly pray for the soldiers and peace-keeping forces in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Sagefrakrobatik
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Im curious to see what the Muslim Women’s rebuttal is. And what about the bombings in Kenya Embassy what is the justification for that?
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dzheremi
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You would think that if he and/or his organization were really not responsible for 9/11, he would have released some video tape to that effect, so why don’t we see that? You know he has the Muslim worlds’ ears through al-Jazeera and the ears of the West, where all his new pronouncements are always big news. So why would he be silent if he cares so much for the poor oppressed Muslims, who are no doubt in even worse condition now because of the actions taken by the United States following this attack? If the scenario you paint is true, then bin Laden is far from being the compassionate freedom fighter you apparently think he is. In fact, if you are right, then he is an even bigger bastard than we in the West are convinced he is, because he knowingly put the entire Muslim world in danger for nothing.
Impossible to carry them out, sure, but obviously not impossible to plan them.
Hmmm, maybe because the USA and other Western nations are not the source of every bad thing that happens in the Muslim world? So maybe they’ve had the wrong target. Maybe they should kill bin Laden and leave New York City and Buffalo alone.
This is the million dollar question, isn’t it? Why DO they kill innocent people? And who IS really oppressing Muslims? Is it the USA and the governments that it supports, is it Muslim sectarian/tribal infighting, a combination of both…who is responsible for Muslims’ suffering? I don’t think too many people (Muslim or not) really ask this question without already supposing that they know the answer, so I’ll leave my opinion out of it. I only hope that you have seriously asked yourself that question before posting this.
Sadly (in my view), the USA can attack any country anywhere for any reason. That’s part of being the world’s sole superpower. If bin Laden is trying to change the balance of power in the world with his actions, then all I can say is that you can’t get to there from here. It seems to me that China is having a much easier time of it by holding on to all our IOUs, but then I guess it is more spectacular to blow things up, isn’t it? But as far as I can tell, the USA is still here, still a superpower, and the Muslims in Afghanistan and elsewhere are not helped by foreign jihadist ideologies.
Yes, and now you want to extend that to the whole world, don’t you? Because that’s what bin Laden seems to want to do. “Muslims are oppressed in X and the oppressors are of nationality Y, so it is your DUTY as a Muslim to attack and kill Y wherever you find them.” As though killing an American in New York does anything positive for a Muslim in Iraq! It is sheer lunacy, however “well-intentioned” (from OBL’s twisted point of view) it may be.
The trouble with that line of thinking is that “the American” becomes a sort of metaphysical enemy…so that we could all be Americans, even if we’re actually Spanish, or Irish, or Russian, or Palestinian, etc. I would think that a Muslim should understand the danger of this, now that “the Muslim” has become a sort of metaphysical enemy for the USA, even if they are natively born, don’t speak any Arabic outside of Qur’an recitations, aren’t Arab (the majority of Muslims in the United States have historically been African American converts), etc. But I guess this would require seeing the other person as a human being, and that is too hard for intolerant people to do. May God forgive us our trespasses against the inviolable human dignity we are all supposed to recognize in one another. That is the real root of all this conflict, I think.
Me too.
This is good, but doesn’t HE also have to ask for forgiveness, too? (I am not sure how Islamic observance works here, so I really am asking.)
I don’t think he thinks he has done anything wrong, so I will not hold my breath waiting for him to renounce his ways, before God or man.
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Sister_Amy
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Polling data of Muslims shows that many do not accept that OBL was the “mastermind” (rofl) behind the 9/11 attacks. And he never claimed responsibility for them. Considering that al-Qaeda typically does claim responsibility for its terror attacks, the fact that it hasn’t done so for 9/11 leaves me wondering.
You can even investigate on your own, the FBI’s ‘Most Wanted’ list, and you will find that OBL is on that list, without any mention whatsoever of involvement in 9/11.
To me, that makes it suspicious. I’m simply not convinced that he is responsible. And is it not a fundamental ideal of this country that a person is considered innocent until proven to be guilty? I haven’t seen a trial. Anyway.
That certainly doesn’t make him a saint–far from it. He clearly bears some responsibility for a number of violent attacks on innocent people, and there’s no getting around that.
You can even investigate on your own, the FBI’s ‘Most Wanted’ list, and you will find that OBL is on that list, without any mention whatsoever of involvement in 9/11.
To me, that makes it suspicious. I’m simply not convinced that he is responsible. And is it not a fundamental ideal of this country that a person is considered innocent until proven to be guilty? I haven’t seen a trial. Anyway.
That certainly doesn’t make him a saint–far from it. He clearly bears some responsibility for a number of violent attacks on innocent people, and there’s no getting around that.
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
**The Door of Repentance Is Wide Open
…Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Allah accepts the repentance of His servant so long as death has not reached his collar bone.”
“Do they not know that it is Allah Who accepts the repentance of His servants and receives (approves) their charity, and that Allah is the Relenting, the Compassionate?” (At-Tawbah: 104)
“Say: ‘O My servants who wronged against their souls, do not despair of Allah’s mercy! For Allah forgives all sins; for He is indeed Forgiving, Compassionate.’” (Az-Zumar: 53)
Allah Almighty knows best.
islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543086
Salaam/peace
If a rich person is murdered , Police suspects those as killers who will be benifitted from his /her death . After 9/11 , Muslims suffered & are still suffering & may be will suffer . So , why not we suspect that those who gained from 9/11 are involved / responsible for the incident ?
Muslims are allowed to offer prayers for other dead Muslims . Shirk/blasphemy is the only sin that is not forgiven if the person did not ask for forgiveness before death approaches. Other sins can be forgiven if God wishes.
**The Door of Repentance Is Wide Open
…Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Allah accepts the repentance of His servant so long as death has not reached his collar bone.”
“Do they not know that it is Allah Who accepts the repentance of His servants and receives (approves) their charity, and that Allah is the Relenting, the Compassionate?” (At-Tawbah: 104)
“Say: ‘O My servants who wronged against their souls, do not despair of Allah’s mercy! For Allah forgives all sins; for He is indeed Forgiving, Compassionate.’” (Az-Zumar: 53)
Allah Almighty knows best.
islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543086
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dzheremi
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I’m gonna have to disagree with you and this polled “many”. You can believe whatever you want, but since he has apparently claimed responsibility (after intially denying it), I am going to go with OBL on this one.
It’s not that I don’t also have some questions about what did/didn’t go on…I just think that a conspiracy would involve too many unrelated agencies (news, government, whatever) being in cahoots for basically no reason to be able to take the conspiracy theorists seriously. A 0.5 second Google search yields these stories (in addition to many, many “what really happened?” websites, blogs, and articles):
The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation: cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html
The Times of India: timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1550477.cms
Islam Online (reporting on al-Jazeera’s airing of a tape in which OBL claims responsibility): islamonline.net/English/News/2002-09/10/article02.shtml
Comparing the reporting styles of the above, it seems clear to me that the degree to which you are willing to entertain a conspiracy theory regarding this issue is directly proportional to your own closeness to or sympathy for OBL’s stated reasons for attacking the West and America in particular (whether we’re talking about 9/11 or some other attack).
So what? “Other terrorist attacks around the globe” can be taken to be inclusive of 9/11, since according to sources that aren’t conspiratorial, he has claimed responsibility for it. My guess is that they don’t list every charge because they don’t know them all, or they just don’t have enough space.
Okay.
I agree, it certainly is. Bring him in and he’ll have a trial (I hope! Bush is effectively out of office, so maybe we’ll actually start having “above-the-board” trials of terrorism suspects…), you’ll take home $25 million…everybody wins!
Agreed completely.
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MelanieAnne
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I submit that this kind of magical thinking is why the world is in the crazy place it is today.
Muslim suffering? Most of it is at the hands of other Muslims. Put your own house in order before you come crying about anyone else!
The fact of the matter is that OBL DID, through his organization of which he is, at least, the titular head, direct the hijackers of the planes to run into the buildings on 9/11. Obviously some people still “can’t believe it”. So who did it? Is it some “Israeli plot”? Some other weirdo excuse? PUHLEEZE ~ Bin Laden himself admits it ~ it’s on VIDEOTAPE for goodness sakes! TAKE OFF THE BLINDERS!
This is why so many people in the world (I say this only because I’ve heard it mentioned so often) are now concluding that the people that believe in Islam have been made crazy by their religion. I’m not sure I agree with that conclusion, but I certainly can understand it if people feel that way. Far too many people who happen to be Muslim also “just happen” to believe the most preposterous things ~ such as ~ “Many don’t believe that Laden [sic] or Muslims are responsible for 9/11”
GET THIS STRAIGHT ~ Al Qaida, under the direction of Osama Bin Laden, caused 9/11 ~ the EVIDENCE is INDISPUTABLE. He has even BRAGGED about it. To believe that he didn’t do so is IRRATIONAL. Start with the FACTS. As long as you believe only lies, you cannot be taken seriously.
I, for one, will no longer believe anything you say as long as you are willing to state such obvious nonsense on a public forum.
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Eucharisted
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O Lord, have mercy on Osama. Grant him health in body and soul, that he might extol Your Mercy and be with You forever and ever. If this is Your Will, let it be. I trust in You. Amen.
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dzheremi
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This answer is going to seem really mean, but I think one of the reasons why this situation is not that simple is because we have seen time and time again that Muslims are willing to sacrifice each other in ways that run contrary to your “we’re all in this together” way of thinking (as have Christians, I should say). Muslims even seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca back in 1979, and there were no U.S. fingerprints on that! Of course, that didn’t stop area powers from saying that it could have been engineered by the USA, or of course the zionists…
From an outsider’s point of view (mine), it seems that the higher ideological/religious/political goals are enough to cause disunity to the degree that others may die in the crossfire and it is justifiable. In this way, the Islamic militants are really no different than the nationalist/communist types that preceeded them The restoration of the Caliphate/Communist Utopia/whatever is more important than YOUR life, even if you are a fellow Muslim/Communist. I remember seeing an interview with bin Laden on TV where he was asked by a journalist how he could justify the bombings in Tanzania and Kenya when no doubt many of the victims were Muslims. He said something to the effect of “Muslims who die in holy war should consider it an honor to die for Islam; it is the will of Allah.”
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ferdie
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I suggest you watch Elders of Zion, a documentary video about the conspiracy theory of the 911 attack. Radical muslims are blaming the jews for the 911 attack. Without any hint of verifiable evidence they accused the jews of carrying out the 911 attack. Despite the overwhelming evidence gathered pointing to the radical muslims as the perpetrators, they (radical muslims) can not be swayed to think otherwise. They are completly brainwashed.
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Sister_Amy
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I forgot what I was gonna say.
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I think sometimes skepticism is healthy.
Skepticism, however, does not equate to conspiracy theories–which are fanciful and quite silly. (A Jewish plot? I’m with the other poster–PUHLEEEEZE.)
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I think sometimes skepticism is healthy.
Skepticism, however, does not equate to conspiracy theories–which are fanciful and quite silly. (A Jewish plot? I’m with the other poster–PUHLEEEEZE.)
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ferdie
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I’m glad to know that Sister Amy.
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