Will the west come under Islamic Sharia Law

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Paris is following you…
What d hell, is going their with you people? Never learned from the past? Can’t you see the Anti-Christ?
seems you would like to live under shari’a laws… as dhimmis…

Death to Infidels and Kuffar…!
Christ promised persecution for His sake.

IF Shari’a were to become legally binding in this country for non Muslims, at this point in time, and for the foreseeable future, there would be massive opposition to it. Both legal and illegal.

That said, it’s not going to happen for a long time. So, let us British Catholics strengthen our Church to withstand this forthcoming persecution. May the future martyrs that the doomsayers predict strengthen the Church even further.
 
man their difference between Christian-Christian relationship, and Christian-Muslim relationship…

This time is more dangerous to London than the past times… And news we hear here about London is giving couple of years before London becomes 1st capital in Europe that have been islamized…

Many of you people their still see Islam in a rosy glasses…
Why are you so sure that you know more about what’s going on than the people who actually live there?

And Protestants in the past (not 20 years ago, but 200 years ago) saw Islam and Catholicism as parallel evils. Today most Christians recognize that the things that unite us are more important than what divides us, but that was not always so.
 
May God help your students!

Lambs to the slaughter

Vickie
You don’t know anything about what I teach my students, except that it isn’t the bigoted nonsense you promote. So you assume I’m uncritical. Actually I’m anything but. The way I debate with you is not the way I teach students. When teaching, I try very hard to avoid either unfair stereotypes of Islam *or *naive repetition of the “religion of peace” nonsense. In fact I chose the textbook I use in part because of its willingness to say that yes, jihad has historically referred to warfare. One of the primary sources we use is by Sayyid Qutb.

Of course, I have no doubt that I’m insufficiently hostile to Islam for your liking. Based on our previous conversations, you seem incapable of imagining anything between the two extremes I try to avoid.

Actually I try to avoid the extremes here too. It’s just that most of the folks posting here are fanatically anti-Muslim. My students are actually divided between those prone to prejudice against Islam and those prone to the opposite extreme. And being young and impressionable, they are capable of going from one to the other. When they discover that Muslims aren’t all vicious terrorists, they tend to be very surprised and leap to endorse the “religion of peace” stereotype. So I have my work cut out for me!

Edwin
 
I would die before I lived under any type of Muslim law.
Hence the purpose of Sharia Law.

When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and** fight them**. (Sahih Muslim, book 019, Number 4294)

I hope from the bottom of my heart the West will not succumb to sharia law. But I am a pessimist and I see enemies of the Catholic Church uniting and becoming more bolder, and if the world doesn’t change soon for the better it is a possibility. Progressive Liberalism + sharia law = persecution of the Church.
 
I am not concerned about the Muslims who want to live in peace.

Who I am concerned about are those from the Muslim Brotherhood…It is the umbrella organization of all militant movements within Islam that originated in Egypt in 1922.

What the big issue of the mosque at the WTC is the leadership and determination to impose it irregardless of the humanity and suffering it caused not only the direct victims of 9/11, but Americans all over the country. The destruction of using people and passenger jets was evil, sadistic, and the WTC was also the center of holding debts of the international financiers.

The imam determined to build the mosque was the one on television right after 9/11 who said he regretted what happened, but said it was because America was killing millions of people around the world. It didn’t matter the 270 million Islam has slain in its history, let alone the destruction of Christianity and cultures.

The imam supports Sharia and Hamas. They do not want the center to be a sign of religions getting along. Hence no other presence of Judaism or Christianity at the 13 story mosque…in a commercial district with 13 people.

The problem is 80% of the reports filed by Muslims regarding bigotry directed at them by Americans turned out to be bogus, according to the FBI. And that the vast majority of mosques in our country are two faced, and were infiltrated…finding out that they are indeed political with ambitions.

Look at what is happening at Dearborn, Michigan. Do a search and see what the natives are experiencing there. Several Christians handed out tracts at a Muslim convention and some thugs had them arrested and are now going to court.

What about the 6 imams? The aggressive lawsuits to silence and to intimidate…or the presence of militant, self-promoting Islamicists on practically every single university campus in our country…that is no accident.

Subsequently, our people have great right to be alarmed and to defend themselves and to put a stop at any expansion until all these concerns are address.

To be called bigot and racist is Marxists. And the most powerful American politicians who are most in favor of these entities are themselves part of the death culture and do not uphold the sanctity of human life.
 
You don’t know anything about what I teach my students, except that it isn’t the bigoted nonsense you promote. So you assume I’m uncritical. Actually I’m anything but. The way I debate with you is not the way I teach students. When teaching, I try very hard to avoid either unfair stereotypes of Islam *or *naive repetition of the “religion of peace” nonsense. In fact I chose the textbook I use in part because of its willingness to say that yes, jihad has historically referred to warfare. One of the primary sources we use is by Sayyid Qutb.

Of course, I have no doubt that I’m insufficiently hostile to Islam for your liking. Based on our previous conversations, you seem incapable of imagining anything between the two extremes I try to avoid.

Actually I try to avoid the extremes here too. It’s just that most of the folks posting here are fanatically anti-Muslim. My students are actually divided between those prone to prejudice against Islam and those prone to the opposite extreme. And being young and impressionable, they are capable of going from one to the other. When they discover that Muslims aren’t all vicious terrorists, they tend to be very surprised and leap to endorse the “religion of peace” stereotype. So I have my work cut out for me!

Edwin
I don’t see how anything is possible between the two extremes you mention. The Quran that inspires terrorists to commit acts of violence is the same read by the ordinary Muslim. What makes you think that a book that promotes so much hatred is going to produce mentally healthy and good persons? Just because they don’t engage in actual violence does not mean they don’t support, condone or approve of it.

Vickie
 
There is absolutely NO reason why any Muslim can not submit to Sharia Law, wherever they may reside. They can do this in the same manner that religious Jews submit to religious courts, but also comply with civil law. As an example, under Jewish Law, you can only get a divorce if the husband agrees. The religious court can take steps to encourage the man to provide a “Get”, but they can not force him to do this.

BUT, religious Jews also go to the Civil Courts and obtain a divorce. The divorce is a legal step, not a religious step. Under Jewish law, the couple is still married in the eyes of God, until a religious divorce is obtained. A religious Jew would never consider remarrying, unless they had also obtained a “Get”. BUT, they would also obtain a Civil Divorce, which would spell out such things as Child Custody, alimony, etc.

There is absolutely no reason why such an arrangement would not suffice for Muslims.

The problem is, they want to impose their religious obligations and believe on to people that are not Muslim.

In the United States, there is absolutely no possibility that Sharia Law could ever be imposed. It would violate the Constitution to impose religious law on anyone.

Were our government to attempt to force this law upon anyone (including Muslims), millions of people would join a citizens militia if necessary to overthrown such a government. It would mean that the Congress had violated their oaths to “Uphold the Constitution of the United States of America”, and the people would have the absolute right to overthrow such a government.
If Muslims want to live by sharia laws, they can move to a Muslim country. In this country we don’t want brutal 7th century laws that treat women like chattel and that approve of such barbaric practices as stoning, flogging, or cutting off of hands and feet.

Vickie
 
There is now protests all over the country against more mosques being built.

Right now a woman is suing Disneyland because she can’t wear her veil…sue sue sue…people coming in to our country are very demanding compared to those who came in 100 years ago…we talk about that seeing the change in attitude starting in the '70’s…

me me me me me…it is all about me… you worked for things, I am entitled to it, and if you don’t give it to me and it be done my way, i sue you.

America will not have Sharia. The developer for the imam is refusing to meet with the NY governor…so much about the peace and tolerance…and they are admitting they are considering now to draw on Iranian and Saudi funds.

What happens in Saudi Arabia, the source of Islam doesn’t go the same at the Vatican…we have two different and contrary mindsets …
 
There is now protests all over the country against more mosques being built.
If true, that’s quite shameful. Muslim Americans have the same right to practice their religion as any other American.

And to answer the OP’s question: no, there is no conceivable way the West could come under Sharia law. Most Muslims don’t even accept that Sharia law is being rightfully practiced in any Muslim countries today.
 
Let’s all assume that sharia law is passed in the US for the muslims.

They’ll have their own courts and decisions from their imams/clerics will be passed according to sharia laws.

So, here is the scenerio for the US.

A mumslim man accusses his wife for being unfaithful & files adultery charges against her.

The 4 witness concur the wife was unfaithful & indeed she did have an affair.

Under their sharia, she must be executed via stoning or perhpas hanging, but she must receive her bazzilion lashes first.

Is this what we will be witnessing here in the US…??? :confused: :mad:

Another scenario for us here in the States…

A muslim man steals from a muslim shop owner…

Under sharia, this “thief” must lose a hand… chop…

Is this what we will be witnessing here in the US…??? :confused: :mad:
 
Tomarin,

What people are saying is that there has been too much abuse towards citizenship by Muslims whose values contradict our constitution.

Our campuses are all dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood and they frighten our students into silence…already there is no more freedom of speech on campus…it is only reserved for anti-Christian forces who have been indoctrinating our young people for almost 40 years. My father looked at all my texts I brought home my first quarter of freshman year and said it was all working towards Marxism…he told me some day my grandchildren would live in a Marxist environment.

Where is the freedom of expression for Catholics in our country? We have to be in our own bastion to speak. Way back when I was in college I was interviewed for a resident aide job and it came up that I was a Catholic and what would I do if a co-ed came up and told me she was pregnant…it has been like that now for a long time…

It is the Far Left that denigrates the sanctity of human life that is not giving people a full picture of what is happening…
 
What people are saying is that there has been too much abuse towards citizenship by Muslims whose values contradict our constitution.
Sorry, Kathleen, but it’s the people who want to tell Muslims where they can or can’t build their mosque whose values conflict with the Constitution. It’s the simple truth.

As for the rest of your post, I wasn’t aware that the Muslim Brotherhood was infiltrating our universities. I will have to keep an eye out for that.

And your father’s prediction about Marxism taking over our society was wildly innaccurate wasn’t it? Outside of academia Marxism is dead as a doornail.
Where is the freedom of expression for Catholics in our country? We have to be in our own bastion to speak. Way back when I was in college I was interviewed for a resident aide job and it came up that I was a Catholic and what would I do if a co-ed came up and told me she was pregnant…it has been like that now for a long time…
Everyone is entitled to freedom of expression in the U.S., or should be.
It is the Far Left that denigrates the sanctity of human life that is not giving people a full picture of what is happening…
The Far Left is a pretty marginal group. I’m not too worried about them.
 
If true, that’s quite shameful. Muslim Americans have the same right to practice their religion as any other American.

And to answer the OP’s question: no, there is no conceivable way the West could come under Sharia law. Most Muslims don’t even accept that Sharia law is being rightfully practiced in any Muslim countries today.
Muslims want what they deny to others! Non-Muslims in Muslim countries don’t have the right to practice their religion freely! Where Islam takes root, freedom dies for everyone else.

Vickie
 
Hi Tomarin,

The 9/11 mosque webpage is now being scrubbed of its links…Patel is an Muslim advisor from Chicago who advised the imam that America is a good place for Islamic renewal…

Again, you have to consider the source. Their values oppose the American constitution. They do not want Christianity or Judaism…but Islamic rule with Sharia…as the imam wants.

And they are considering funds from Iran and Saudi Arabia which either totally downright deny any rights to Christians or severely restrict them.

The issue is no reciprocity.

And you have to check out the source…and they are in process of removing information about who they really are.

Militant Islam has declared war on our country. We have our 5th column. The effects of Marxism are everywhere…most young people now want nothing to do with religion as all they have heard is how religion caused the most wars. They have been given a steady diet as well of anti-Catholicism, which started wars and the Crusades…no context.

My father lived next door to the American communist who started the Pennsylvania mine riots in the late 60’s. My father was in the seminary for two years and worked among the poor. My mother would babysit their daughter and would visit with them. My father was very civil and listened to and affirmed the good intentions of this man, while the FBI watched his goings about.

I lived in a country that went Marxist. Instead of writing about the celebration of their independence, the headlines stated that America is the Enemy of the World…the world has been fed on that without context.

And the imam in 2001 only said we had it coming considering the millions of death America has caused around the world with no comment to the millions slaughtered under communism, and the fact of life that Islam will not allow freedom of religion which is against our constitution.

Sorry, this group is phony.

Over and over the American people are being put to the side. It is now coming out that close to 80 members in Congress are socialists…and now the author is a former felon and socialist and author of the health bill put out by our president…he refuses to allow his cabinet to be vetted by Congress. He refuses to allow open access to his scholastic history. He is the most pro abortion president in our history. He does not have empathy for our people.

Our clerics are watching the leadership of this country very closely in regards to our religious rights and freedom to practice our conscience. There have been some blogs shut down for revealing truths about the identity and intentions of massive pages of work Congress voted on without reading…who are the people putting these bills together?
 
Muslims want what they deny to others! Non-Muslims in Muslim countries don’t have the right to practice their religion freely! Where Islam takes root, freedom dies for everyone else.
Exactly. So let’s not follow their example.
 
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