Will the west come under Islamic Sharia Law

[Alcrusader]

Alcrusader;6975558:

God bless you,
I now know the Holy Catholic Church teaches “the Quarn is the verbatim Speech of God Almighty and Satan”.

Brother help me out as it will be hard to convince our priests and bishops who teach against The Catholic church please share with me a source to support the quote.

G-d can bless you and yours for generations with justice for your honesty in helping us.
I pray mercy be upon us all.

Well I’m not sure that the Church say anything precise about Satan teaching the qur’an to Mohammad, as far as I know, at least here in Lebanon.

But priests says that Mohammad was possessed by the devil and used to have the signs of someone who was possessed by the devil when the revelations starts. It means he start screaming and yelling and pulling his hair and after the revelations are end he felt so tiered. Along with so many other things about Mohammad and the origin of the Qur’an.
But the thing is we respect Muslims, and this is why we don’t say those kind of things for them, eventhough we know it.

You see people here in the east know that the Qu’ran is not a divine book, and who wrote it was a priest called ‘Al raheb Bouhaira’, who raised Mohammad since he was a kid, and taught him everything he knew. This priest was kick from the church and as an act of vengeance he started this religion called Islam thru this small kid that was called first " Kothm" then this priest changed his name to Mohammad so that he could meat with a false prophecy.

Wait my dear, I’m gonna post more than 1 topic about the origin of the qur’an, even I’m going to give proves who is the real writer of the qur’an, also I’m going to prove that [Satan = Allah of Islam] with quranic verses… and much more.
I started now posting 2 topics about Islam.
one talks about: “Did Allah said to Mohammad:“I am Allah Worship me” ?” and the other: “What Is The Sex of Allah and can he be married?”

I even have a proof that maybe the 666 already came… and it is Mohammad the false prophet that took revelations from the devil, and that started since it beginning to destroy the kingdom of Christ on earth, by building a kingdom with blood and evil…

 

[Steven_John]

Steven John;6975590:

Well I’m not sure that the Church say anything precise

about Satan teaching the qur’an to Mohammad, as far as I know, at least here in Lebanon.

Bless you i am glad we cleared that up your not saying the Catholic church does teach “the Quarn is the verbatim Speech of God Almighty and Satan”.

Do you know what she does teach? or what would be a good resource to find out?

 

[Alcrusader]

Alcrusader;6975642:

Bless you i am glad we cleared that up your not saying the Catholic church does teach “the Quarn is the verbatim Speech of God Almighty and Satan”.

Do you know what she does teach? or what would be a good resource to find out?

No the Church never teaches anything outside the teachings of Jesus from the Bible.

But it’s us the people who search and compare, are the ones who are telling you all that “the Quarn is the verbatim Speech of God Almighty and Satan”.
And we are not telling that from nothing, if their was no proves we wouldn’t talk in the 1st place.

 

[Steven_John]

Steven John;6975663:

No the Church never teaches anything outside the teachings of Jesus from the Bible.

There is a book called the catechism or some thing similar i will have a look through one and see if it has anything to help us.
I will get back to you.

But it’s us the people who search and compare, are the ones who are telling you all that “the Quarn is the verbatim Speech of God Almighty and Satan”.
And we are not telling that from nothing, if their was no proves we wouldn’t talk in the 1st place.

No it was me who questioned you if your point was consistent with the Catholic church as it is your religion. I never questioned the falsehood of the claim.

Bless you

Blessings to you and yours

 

[dolphinlove]

Alcrusader;6975642:

Bless you i am glad we cleared that up your not saying the Catholic church does teach “the Quarn is the verbatim Speech of God Almighty and Satan”.

Do you know what she does teach? or what would be a good resource to find out?

This is what the catechism says about islam
“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day” (CCC 841).

This is what the bible has to say about ‘false prophets’

Deut 18
19 I shall put my words into his mouth and he will tell them everything I command him. Anyone who refuses to listen to my words, spoken by him in my name, will have to render an account to me.
20 But the prophet who presumes to say something in my name which I have not commanded him to say, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die."
21 ‘You may be privately wondering, “How are we to tell that a prophecy does not come from Yahweh?”
22 When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh and the thing does not happen and the word is not fulfilled, then it has not been said by Yahweh. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. You have nothing to fear from him.’

Jer 14
14 Then Yahweh said to me, 'The prophets are prophesying lies in my name; I have not sent them, I gave them no orders, I never spoke to them. Delusive visions, hollow predictions, daydreams of their own, that is what they prophesy to you.
15 Therefore, Yahweh says this: The prophets who prophesy in my name when I have not sent them, and tell you there will be no sword or famine in this country, these same prophets will meet their end by sword and famine.

Mat 24
23 'If anyone says to you then, “Look, here is the Christ,” or “Over here,” do not believe it;
24 for false Christs and false prophets will arise and provide great signs and portents, enough to deceive even the elect, if that were possible.

 

[Steven_John]

Steven John;6975663:

This is what the catechism says about islam
“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day” (CCC 841).

This is what the bible has to say about ‘false prophets’

Deut 18
19 I shall put my words into his mouth and he will tell them everything I command him. Anyone who refuses to listen to my words, spoken by him in my name, will have to render an account to me.
20 But the prophet who presumes to say something in my name which I have not commanded him to say, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die."
21 ‘You may be privately wondering, “How are we to tell that a prophecy does not come from Yahweh?”
22 When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh and the thing does not happen and the word is not fulfilled, then it has not been said by Yahweh. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. You have nothing to fear from him.’

Jer 14
14 Then Yahweh said to me, 'The prophets are prophesying lies in my name; I have not sent them, I gave them no orders, I never spoke to them. Delusive visions, hollow predictions, daydreams of their own, that is what they prophesy to you.
15 Therefore, Yahweh says this: The prophets who prophesy in my name when I have not sent them, and tell you there will be no sword or famine in this country, these same prophets will meet their end by sword and famine.

Mat 24
23 'If anyone says to you then, “Look, here is the Christ,” or “Over here,” do not believe it;
24 for false Christs and false prophets will arise and provide great signs and portents, enough to deceive even the elect, if that were possible.

Bless you sister you have saved me much reading

 

[KathleenGee]

True prophecy is consistent through salvation history. When a prophet foretells something and it doesn’t happen, well, obviously he is a false prophet. Or if his behavior contradicts past prophets’ works, then he as well is a false prophet.

Back to Sharia Law,…many Muslims do not want it. Recall that I said Islam represents a culture that is very different than others or those of the East. But there aspects to it that fit the Bedouin nomadic lifestyle…

I don’t think Sharia would be implemented as it was in the 12th Century; frankly, I think instead there would be pogroms as people would not put up with such.

The Muslims are not aware of Catholic social justice either, that considers the welfare of the the poor and marginalized. The 3 crimes that cry out to heaven for justice is the taking of innocent life, impoverishing the poor, and not paying a worker just wages…a form of slavery.

Sharia is a form of slavery for the dhimmitude.

 

[Alcrusader]

Steven John;6975663:

This is what the catechism says about islam
“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day” (CCC 841).

This is what the bible has to say about ‘false prophets’

Deut 18
19 I shall put my words into his mouth and he will tell them everything I command him. Anyone who refuses to listen to my words, spoken by him in my name, will have to render an account to me.
20 But the prophet who presumes to say something in my name which I have not commanded him to say, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die."
21 ‘You may be privately wondering, “How are we to tell that a prophecy does not come from Yahweh?”
22 When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh and the thing does not happen and the word is not fulfilled, then it has not been said by Yahweh. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. You have nothing to fear from him.’

Jer 14
14 Then Yahweh said to me, 'The prophets are prophesying lies in my name; I have not sent them, I gave them no orders, I never spoke to them. Delusive visions, hollow predictions, daydreams of their own, that is what they prophesy to you.
15 Therefore, Yahweh says this: The prophets who prophesy in my name when I have not sent them, and tell you there will be no sword or famine in this country, these same prophets will meet their end by sword and famine.

Mat 24
23 'If anyone says to you then, “Look, here is the Christ,” or “Over here,” do not believe it;
24 for false Christs and false prophets will arise and provide great signs and portents, enough to deceive even the elect, if that were possible.

God Bless you. 100% true.

 

[Alcrusader]

Alcrusader;6975923:

There is a book called the catechism or some thing similar i will have a look through one and see if it has anything to help us.
I will get back to you.

No it was me who questioned you if your point was consistent with the Catholic church as it is your religion. I never questioned the falsehood of the claim.

Bless you

Blessings to you and yours

My brother in Christ, I wouldn’t say anything out side what the Church would teach us to say.
Yes this is what the Church say about Islam

This is what the catechism says about islam
“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day” (CCC 841).

and I fully accept it. But frankly I think the idea they have about God is corrupted, and if you come a compare what the qur’an say about the creator and take a bible and say what the creator you gonna find many differences.
Yes Islam worship a certain creator of this world like we do, but I don’t think his name is Yahweh to be honest with you.

 

[KathleenGee]

Stephen John’s faith fits what the Catechism teaches here…he may not have faith in God’s nature in the Trinity, but he expresses universal faith and morality.

 

[John_of_Woking]

When the west embraces sharia I know my martyrdom will be near. Dear Jesus I pray for courage to proclaim You as God even if it forfeits my life. I pray for muslims…Jesus loves you

 

[KathleenGee]

Agree, but I honestly do not think that America will accept Sharia…but we could have alot of violence coming to our streets…

 

[Alcrusader]

Agree, but I honestly do not think that America will accept Sharia…but we could have alot of violence coming to our streets…

Hope also people in Europe too…Before it’s too late…

 

[Steven_John]

My brother in Christ, I wouldn’t say anything out side what the Church would teach us to say.
Yes this is what the Church say about Islam

and I fully accept it. But frankly I think the idea they have about God is corrupted, and if you come a compare what the qur’an say about the creator and take a bible and say what the creator you gonna find many differences.
Yes Islam worship a certain creator of this world like we do, but I don’t think his name is Yahweh to be honest with you.

Brother your speech is inconsistent, you say you accept the Church teaching but in your last statement you say you dont.

Best i follow Her is she explains Muslims are seeking the exact same G-d. As you point out with the differences in holy books Christians and Muslims have a different understanding of G-d.

The part i made blue seems to me straight with her.

The Catechism looks like a very good book to help Catholics explore their faith for consistency with Her teaching.

Bless you

 

[KathleenGee]

The Catholic Church does not teach in Vatican II or in the universal catechism that Islam is of Satan.

What this thread is about is the inhumane and discriminatory parts of Sharia, and its historical treatment of dhimmis in particularly Cordoba, Spain…

And the Catholic Church reserves for the Catholics the harshest judgment…Catholics can follow all the rules and regulations of the Church, but if they do not have charity, not only will they be condemned, but judged severely.

The better focus is to look humanely on all people, to acknowledge their suffering and build good relations, rather than promote one’s religion.

 

[Steven_John]

…Catholics can follow all the rules and regulations of the Church, but if they do not have charity, not only will they be condemned, but judged severely.

Bless you Sister for sharing simple wisdom of Our G-d, even many non G-d fearing people understand similar to this i think they call it Karma.

If people who do not have relationship with G-d can see this how much deeper will the understanding be in those who do have relationship with Him.

People often compromise charity as turning from the truth, not so.
Charitable people have no need to spout truth if the spirit has not guided them it will bring change.

Charity is not weakness but strength knowing G-d and self do not need to be proved to others as G-d needs no proof. He was, is and will be always regardless to what men see.

“I will be what I will be.” you have free will so choose who you see

 

[Steven_John]

I have been told in the globally Muslims are fast growing population.
I have been told that in the UK Mulsim population is growing fast.
I know in Oz the number of Muslims is growing very fast.

I have been told that in the UK b4 the “GFC” some business borrowed Saudi money.

The way i see Christians values where i live is they would allow anyone who needs a safe place to live would be welcome her. Our secular population values prevent this open attitude minority dramatically increasing our population.

How long have our economies got left.
the GFC seems to have shown some real issues.
It seems the east has control of oil market.
A market that the west is dependant on.

Is the future wealth of the worlds energy? with it you can make water food and so on.

Eastern countries seem to be keen on nuclear power even though they have control of oil.

The west seems not keen on Nuclear power so will continue to buy energy from the east.

If our economies become too poor do you think we would let our people suffer or take money from east economies?

Scripture teaches the borrower becomes the slave to the lender.

Population increase also stimulates economies will money from the east come with a humanitarian expectation to take migrants.

Fill a democratic country with Muslims and the country should then reflect the majority of its people.

The majority can change a constitution.

If things were to go this way there is no reason for Muslims not to politically create a sharia state.

I doubt it would be sharia as people here hold to but one of the peoples perception of G-ds law.

 

[Steven_John]

Dear Dolphin Love,
you posted in this thread implying 2005 riots were an Islamic issue, you have stood by this do you have any evidence to back this up?

Without evidence IMO you insult this country, degrade her before the international community.

Without evidence IMO you discredit your professed religion.

Without evidence IMO you have insulted Australian Muslims with zero foundation.

I think your post if it remains unsupported you have discredited your self and the assumption you cant separate your personal prejudiced from real events would be difficult to refute.
I credit you with staying on this issue in this thread and bring other issues forward to distract from us resolving your claim of this regrettable event.

Given your post goes way beyond you personally discrediting Australia and Muslims if you cant support it i will seek moderation against your words.
Peace and blessings

 

[GaryTaylor]

In all fainess are you living in a country that Islam has barely reached? OR are they a majority?

Very different than what others experience being surrounded by it I would proposet. When any population becomes the majority. Then you truly see all the negative qualites.

My opinion rarely come from living in New-England which is a boiling pot of culture anyway. But more from working in the DOC where the Muslin population is the biggest gang. Christains arn’t even labeled as a gang. They are the quite population who live in the spirit of reverence, pray, attend mass, and the over-all sense of being is at peace. Same with other religions within.

The muslin world incarcerated is one of drugs, extortion, sticking together as a population in order to preserve there civlil rights as a culture, gang meeting at mass. ramadon paying kitchen workers to eat off to the side including pork, etc. Not very much different that the concerns you here voiced here.

They stay on the radar just as the crips, bloods, latin kings. arion nation etc.

Can this happen is our society? Well look at the gang activity in our country. Will it happen? That remains to be seen. The US has a much more tolerant attitudes because of its constitution than many other countrys for sure.

But to view Islam as this wonderful, peaceful religion, thats the savior of the world, is without a doubt nieve. Come live in the poputed air for a spell and tell me your thoughts.

 

[Steven_John]

But to view Islam as this wonderful, peaceful religion, thats the savior of the world, is without a doubt nieve. Come live in the poputed air for a spell and tell me your thoughs.

Peace and blessings, I am not the best reader, who are you posting to. I never got that from any ones posts.

Bless ya