Will the west come under Islamic Sharia Law

[GaryTaylor]

No one in particular. I’m speaking from experience. And saying its very different just as with any population when they become the majority.

This is from a perspective here in CT where they are the majority incarcerated. They are the largest gang. I’m sure other areas in the US it varies. But I believe without a doubt that we believe is what we live. And many post here from heavily populated muslim areas. I believe that also needs to be considered, wouldn’t you? I would think that would make me view the opinion differently. Just as one who comes from a racist, radical point of view from Montana. Whats the muslim population where you live since we are talking?

One can view war and have an opinion on it. Yet its very different from those who have been to war. And I believe this also happens often here.

You have to be tolerant of all, thats how the US is. But I can understand the critical eye Islam recieves. I don’t believe its a bigoted, racist attitude. There are very real concerns. Peoples feelings are there feelings, nothing wrong or right about them, They just are.

 

[Steven_John]

No one in particular. I’m speaking from experience. And saying its very different just as with any population when they become the majority.

This is from a perspective here in CT where they are the majority incarcerated. They are the largest gang. I’m sure other areas in the US it varies. But I believe without a doubt that we believe is what we live. And many post here from heavily populated muslim areas. I believe that also needs to be considered, wouldn’t you? I would think that would make me view the opinion differently. Just as one who comes from a racist, radical point of view from Montana. Whats the muslim population where you live since we are talking?

One can view war and have an opinion on it. Yet its very different from those who have been to war. And I believe this also happens often here.

You have to be tolerant of all, thats how the US is. But I can understand the critical eye Islam recieves. I don’t believe its a bigoted, racist attitude. There are very real concerns. Peoples feelings are there feelings, nothing wrong or right about them, They just are.

I understand what you say about where i live they are minority, in my country there are places of large groups.
The best thing my country has going for it is Muslims here are educated to dont get easy misled by a fanatic.

The base line of our Mosque is of our culture also, most were born here or migrated long ago.

These people profess hold the Quran as their truth, many leaders global now issue rulings against terror.

I dont think the Quran or the Tora or the Injeel are the cause of evil in men its satan.

I have never met some one who did not have other people influence their understanding of religions or there books.

Hate mongers are created by men who use the books to validate their encouragement of others.

Plenty of evil people have bibles.

I hope this reflects on your discussion, in your posts for you and know it is only my opinion, you dont need me you have your messengers (pbut) Blessings 3 u and yours

 

[GaryTaylor]

I don’t disagree, I also don’t think its right at all to judge the quran by reading specific verse’s. You couldn’t do this with the bible either.

Its the overall prevailing attitude. We simply can’t judge any group as a society till we clearly see the intentions are indeed negative and don’t coincide with a Free World.

I’m skeptical about Islam. Yet I don’t lose sleep over their religion. I believe there is much false information and hate propagated by the internet and you-tube. And thats for every single religion under the sun, not just Islam. For some reason the worst in everyone seems to pointed out all the time, without concern for the better thinking.

As a overall society both the internet and you-tube seem to view everything from a non religious view.

Though I believe the DOC is just a small model of society. Its also the minority of society that has no regard for law. Will that prove to be how Islam is in general in the free world? I really have reservations about that. I believe theres a survival mode existing from inside also.

I’ve been most impressed with the christians. They just transend the walls. There is an inner peace that incarceration doesn’t effect with their spirit. Not all, they have there problem children too, but in general.

Time will tell with Islam. Hopefully they can help the world move to a better society in general. Where evil, drugg, chaos isn’t the prevailing attitude.

 

[benidict]

Hi i used west in the title but i am most keen to hear of your thinking for America, UK, Australia.

What do you think, will it, wont it?
When and how?

What are you doing to make it happen or what are you doing to stop it happen?
Who gives you this guidance?

Bless you all, pray well and stay well.

it will not happen in the United States. why? because we have the 2nd ammendment in our constitution, which protects us against such tyranny. that is the right to keep and bear arms. we have over millions of legal firearm owners in the U.S. many of whom are former military, and the like. so nope. wont happen in America. Peace

 

[benidict]

Agree, but I honestly do not think that America will accept Sharia…but we could have alot of violence coming to our streets…

it would be a very short spat of violence though. i dont know the numbers, but im sure we outnumber the islamofascist by a large margin. also if something like this happened im sure the American people would not stand for it. no worries for us kathleen. Peace

 

[Thyme]

I think that England will remain a Christian country so long as we have the monarchy. Even though some of our legal system isn’t very Christian, the monarchy is head of the Church of England.

I heard about people wanting an area in London to be under Shariah law, but I didn’t know it actually happened because the last I heard was that people are protesting against it.

If this ever does happen, there would be so much drama about it. It would be like how people reacted when BNP(an ignorant & racist party) were campaigning. I wouldn’t be surprised if people turn to the BNP if this law is ever proposed!

 

[At_Trent]

Will the west come under Islamic Sharia Law ? Not as long as the Islamic countries have trouble in their own back yard.

youtube.com/watch?v=7TrtbbrJqvQ&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=5SCFGZfOD4o&feature=search

 

[dolphinlove]

Dear Dolphin Love,
you posted in this thread implying 2005 riots were an Islamic issue, you have stood by this do you have any evidence to back this up?

Without evidence IMO you insult this country, degrade her before the international community.

Without evidence IMO you discredit your professed religion.

Without evidence IMO you have insulted Australian Muslims with zero foundation.

I think your post if it remains unsupported you have discredited your self and the assumption you cant separate your personal prejudiced from real events would be difficult to refute.
I credit you with staying on this issue in this thread and bring other issues forward to distract from us resolving your claim of this regrettable event.

Given your post goes way beyond you personally discrediting Australia and Muslims if you cant support it i will seek moderation against your words.
Peace and blessings

enjoy the link i pm you

 

[KathleenGee]

A priest told me about 30 years ago that he thought the Fatima message would take a 100 years to fulfill…2017…I don’t mean to be in a numbers game…but I do believe we will have a collapse of a number of necessities…and it will be our faith in God alone that will save us.

We have the drug cartels, many criminals and 5th columns crossing our borders in the SW, and this 95 year old man told me to pray to the Lord to keep it away…I especially believe in the special protection of the Immaculate Heart of Mary…the only safe place to reside…reciting the daily rosary and believing that with God, all things are possible.

It was a very insightful moment for me to speak with a Muslim woman. She said Muslims know deep in their heart — the place of the conscience where God speaks to us about right or wrong – that the attitudes of terrorism or taking over are wrong.

What I am addressing are the same problem people — those who seek power and dominion over other people, who engorge on the poor for their riches, and the injustices they commit.

I see it in Sharia…I see it in the American power base that marginalizes Christians who honor the sanctity of human life, the promotion of pornography as a freedom of speech…America deluges the world with pornography…

I see the counter balance as Mary, the Mother of Christ to make her known.

The other reflection I got a few months ago after a retreat…is that we may be in a room with 20 people who have bad intentions…but if we follow God’s will and fulfill for that day love of God, of self and neighbor, it inself creates God’s kingdom on earth, dominates and blocks the will and actions of those contrary to God…especially when all is done with Mary…there may be 20 people in the room, but Mary ‘magnifies’ our intentions and good before the Lord.

We do not realize how powerful the Virgin’s companionship, her prayers, and especially her Magnificat are before the throne of God.

I know in the end all evil will be defeated. So we have to pray for the preserverance of faith in the good will of all people as well as Christians and pray for the conversion of sinners, and while we have time…to defend freedom and equality and reciprococity for all.

I also like what the new Muslim Miss USA said about the WTC Mosque…it is better to have one’s focus for those who are suffering than promote one’s religion in that place. God wants us to act on our faith, be a witness for it, rather than promote it…

 

[dolphinlove]

Dear Dolphin Love,
you posted in this thread implying 2005 riots were an Islamic issue, you have stood by this do you have any evidence to back this up?

Without evidence IMO you insult this country, degrade her before the international community.

Without evidence IMO you discredit your professed religion.

Without evidence IMO you have insulted Australian Muslims with zero foundation.

I think your post if it remains unsupported you have discredited your self and the assumption you cant separate your personal prejudiced from real events would be difficult to refute.
I credit you with staying on this issue in this thread and bring other issues forward to distract from us resolving your claim of this regrettable event.

Given your post goes way beyond you personally discrediting Australia and Muslims if you cant support it i will seek moderation against your words.
Peace and blessings

ive been at these forums for years now, if you want to report me, go ahead, but i will supply the staff with the links i sent you via pm. Yes, i do have a problem with islam, since im Catholic, i dont believe in muhammad and his works, but I do believe in God and his holy scripture, which is the bible, i will remind you in Australia we have had problems with muslims, as i told you, imam hilaly and the rapes of those muslim men who call our women meat. shall i go on?

 

[Steven_John]

enjoy the link i pm you

This does not say much to me for your character that you would think i enjoy this slur on Australia regardless to it being racial or religious, i can only image what would make anyone think it enjoyable. I cant speak for G-d but best i know Him He would not consider we get enjoyment form such events. We no satan wants to mislead men. You just keep your enjoyment and don’t project it on me.

militantislammonitor.org/article/id/1396

brookesnews.com/051912muslim.html

Both of these sites seem to me to be bias and anti mulsim, neither article defines it as a religious issue but both portray it as a racial issue. Making mention of a persons religion does not mean it is the cause it can how ever incite bigots to make false claims to support their agenda.

The second article even goes further to accuse our main stream papers as distorting the events.

At least the Australian Catholics i know are objective aspiring upstanding truthful people that would not make such a terrible event about what it is not to support their “anti Islam” agenda. Nor would they have enjoyment in events or credit anyone else would.

Lots of Islamic people bring plenty of real issues to the world that we need to work on, they dont need satans help to distract us with twisting other terrible events. As long as people do this we are not on real issues.

I would suggest dont judge Australians or Australian Catholics by this one thing of Dolphin Love.

Best i know Aussies are for giving everyone a fair go, Catholics are people of truth.
Yes both Australians and Catholics do have their problems.

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

There are many stories of Sharia Law on the internet that never make it into main stream news papers or are told on television news.

I’ve been told that when Jesus Christ died on the Cross, that ended “eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth a life for a life.” What I find frightening is that Sharia Law wants not only to reinstitute “an eye for an eye…” but to take it further where the punishment tremendously and horribly out weighs the crime. To me it seems that muslims with Sharia Law want to institute a law that goes for beyond reciprocal punishment and make people live in fear.

On October 30, 2008, the United Nations condemned the stoning to death of Aisha Duhulowa, a 13-year-old girl … sentenced to death by a **Sharia court **for … (Zina). She was screaming and begging for mercy, but when some family members attempted to intervene, shots were fired by the Islamic militia and a baby was killed.

Tuesday July 20,2010
A Malayalam professor T J Joseph of the Newman College, who is under suspension for preparing a defamatory question for an exam paper, was attacked by a gang of five men at Muvatupuzha when he was coming back from church. Jihadi’s who have scant regard to rule of the land decided to impose Sharia punishment to this professor. Professor Joseph and his family were attacked by Jihadi’s today when he was coming back from Church after attending Sunday mass.
Repeated warnings of Hindu organisations in Kerala about the growth of Jihadi fanatics in Kerala were repeatedly brushed aside by so called ‘Secular Society’ as the propaganda of Hindu Communalists.

N.B. islam is a religion of peace

 

[Steven_John]

I’ve been told that when Jesus Christ died on the Cross, that ended “eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth a life for a life.”

i really reall really like what you say.

i am not a good reader but have taken from the bible G-d is just and allows men justice but teaches us mercy is better.

Given society punishes, locks away sinners and in some places where Christians are a voice capital punishment is still used.

I respect very much your words and qualifying its source.
Did they offer any scripture that supports what they offered you.

Blessings to you and yours

 

[ali03]

Why is there is a concern about it? Is our faith not strong enough to fight it? Having said that Lots of us are believing more and more in Islam and lots of us are converting to it. So I can’t say it wont happen. Unless we read to know why people are changing to Islam and why are we losing our faith to Islam, we would not be able to do anything. I am in doubt is Islam the right religion? So far I see so many unreliable thing in christian which I cant see in Islam.

Jn 18,36
Jesus said, “My kingdom does not belong to this world; if my kingdom belonged to this world, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. No, my kingdom does not belong here!”

Are the followers not aithful enough to give their life for God? If it was my family let alone God, I will fight to get him back. Would not you?

Nobody can explain to me this verse. Was Jesus God? If yes how can God pays sin of others when he is the merciful one. He can just forgive us? Does it means that we can sin because our sin are paid?

No doubt that we can be invaded with Shiria law sooner or later if we dont get right answers for questions.

 

[ali03]

who are they? well i got to go work and still cofuse about my faith given my best freind is Muslim and he bombard me with these questions and explain to me his religion which i now understand does nothing to do with what I was thinking before. Is Shiria law bad after all? a person rape and kill your baby after beating her up badly does not just need life sentence. i don’t think I will feel satisfaction until he paid for what he has done like in the Shiria Law stone to death. think about it?

i have lots of questions unanswered please help me.

Bless you all and c u later

 

[Alcrusader]

There are many stories of Sharia Law on the internet that never make it into main stream news papers or are told on television news.

I’ve been told that when Jesus Christ died on the Cross, that ended “eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth a life for a life.” What I find frightening is that Sharia Law wants not only to reinstitute “an eye for an eye…” but to take it further where the punishment tremendously and horribly out weighs the crime. To me it seems that muslims with Sharia Law want to institute a law that goes for beyond reciprocal punishment and make people live in fear.

N.B. islam is a religion of peace

Yes It is! www.thereligionofpeace.com

Many people just don’t want to see the reality, they are living in their own world, judging others of being racist and against certain religion for warning them of the coming threat…
Hope those people would wake up… someday…

 

[Aramis]

It’s not an absolute right, but it is – or should be – a first principle for living in a free society. Until recently I thought (naively?) that it was one of our most cherished principles.

I know there are scary sects and movements within Islam – look at the Taliban for example. But nothing I have seen or heard about the Muslims who want to build the mosque downtown suggests that they are fundamentalists or in any way a danger to anyone.

Freedom of religion does NOT appear in the US Constitution. Freedom from state imposed religion is.

The founders of the various colonies came over here not for blanket freedom of religion, but to establish separatist christian states that were not under the Church of England.

It’s a huge difference, one apparently lost on many of the judges in the US.

But also, Islam is inextricably linked to political action; other religions which teach “the state is evil and must be destroyed” have been suppressed by the government as political movements or criminal enterprises… David Koresh comes to mind…

Islam should be no different. It’s an anti-american, anti-democracy, and generates criminal conspiracies to kill people.

 

[Alcrusader]

Why is there is a concern about it? Is our faith not strong enough to fight it? Having said that Lots of us are believing more and more in Islam and lots of us are converting to it. So I can’t say it wont happen. Unless we read to know why people are changing to Islam and why are we losing our faith to Islam, we would not be able to do anything. I am in doubt is Islam the right religion? So far I see so many unreliable thing in christian which I cant see in Islam.

Jn 18,36
Jesus said, “My kingdom does not belong to this world; if my kingdom belonged to this world, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. No, my kingdom does not belong here!”

Are the followers not aithful enough to give their life for God? If it was my family let alone God, I will fight to get him back. Would not you?

[BIBLEDRB]John 18:36[/BIBLEDRB]
1- Kingdom of Jesus is the Heaven. (My kingdom is not of this world.)
2- my servants = my followers = who follows the King / God (like the angels for example)

I see you are a Muslim, trying to play on us the kind of games you play on your forums.

Let me tell you Ali Our God dose not need people to fight for him, God don’t need people to prove that he is the Lord, God don’t even need us or force us to worship him (for example, If you don’t worship me I will beat you with a stick).

Our God don’t need people to kill other people in his name ( Allah o Akbar), do you think that we [Humans] the limited and imperfect creatures could do anything against God’s will?
You think that if God wanted something from us can’t he take it? You think if God wanted to fight can’t he send his servants and followers (e.g. angels…) ? Or He always gonna wait that us [Human] to fight in his name?

I clearly see that you never did read what this verse means, or the explanations of what/ why Jesus has what he said.
I think this question should be asked in a different part of this forum where you can find the explanation of the Bible, and what Jesus has said.

Nobody can explain to me this verse.

ROFL… I already did.

Was Jesus God?

Yes, he was.

If yes

Yes.

how can God pays sin of others when he is the merciful one.

Dose merciful to you means that God gonna forgive us for anything we do?
The sin has entered to the world since Adam, this sin was death.
God has sent his only Son to forgive us from that sin and could enter the kingdom of God that once Adam and Eve lived in.

[BIBLEDRB]John 3:14-21[/BIBLEDRB]

He can just forgive us?

Didn’t you said that God is the merciful one?
Are you contradicting your self?

You know what is Love?

[BIBLEDRB]John 3:16[/BIBLEDRB]

Does it means that we can sin because our sin are paid?

No it Doesn’t.

No doubt that we can be invaded with Shiria law sooner or later if we dont get right answers for questions.

No doubt that you taught you can convince us with your pure logic.
Put in your mind, the light is stronger than darkness.

 

[Alcrusader]

Why is there is a concern about it?

Well since I think you are a Muslim, you should not find Sharia Laws very bad for you after all. No?

Is our faith not strong enough to fight it?

Sure it is.Who said it’s not?!?!

Having said that Lots of us are believing more and more in Islam and lots of us are converting to it.

lots of you are converting ?
Who are you?

So I can’t say it wont happen.

It will happen only on our dead bodies.

Unless we read to know why people are changing to Islam and why are we losing our faith to Islam, we would not be able to do anything.

Since you read and know, can you tell us why?

I am in doubt is Islam the right religion?

If you are in doubt, then you should study more Islam, and compare it to Christianity. Only then you can tell.

So far I see so many unreliable thing in christian which I cant see in Islam.

Hell yeah! Tell about it!

Jn 18,36
Jesus said, “My kingdom does not belong to this world; if my kingdom belonged to this world, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. No, my kingdom does not belong here!”

read my previous post.

Are the followers not aithful enough to give their life for God?

God don’t need your life to go and blow up ur self in 100 innocent people!
God wants your life to be Dedicated for him only, in serving the poor and helping whoever needs help, and to love everyone even your enemy.

God don’t want you to die! God Love Life and Hate Death.

If it was my family let alone God, I will fight to get him back. Would not you?

repeat you question in English please.

Nobody can explain to me this verse. Was Jesus God? If yes how can God pays sin of others when he is the merciful one. He can just forgive us? Does it means that we can sin because our sin are paid?

Read my previous post.

No doubt that we can be invaded with Shiria law sooner or later if we dont get right answers for questions.

[BIBLEDRB]Romans 8:31[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Exodus 14:14[/BIBLEDRB]

 

[Aramis]

Just a reminder:

The Qur’an is NOT divinely-inspired.

It is instead the verbatim Speech of God Almighty.

Taqqiya… again. Albeit a trivial one.

It is the recorded recitations of what Mohammed told his followers God had told him. There were not witnesses to the revelations to Mohammed; only to what he claimed he was told. It was a carefully collected recitation of his claims, collected after Mohammed’s death.

Most Muslims fervently believe it to be verbatim. But that does not mean it is.