Will the west come under Islamic Sharia Law

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Sharia Law is used in the UK. I know this for fact. It is used as I see it in a similar way as Latin Catholic tribunals. That is, to handle matters concerning marriage.

Lots of other faiths have their own courts to deal with the internal matters of their faiths. The Church of England has its own courts system here in the UK. From what I know it’s used mainly to deal with clergy discipline. The Jewish faith has its own courts system in the UK.

I’ve read on some posts in this thread that in the USA allowing Sharia Law would be against the US Constitution. But, there are Latin Catholic Tribunals in the USA, where’s the difference?

As I said earlier Sharia courts in the UK deal with marriage issues. Allowing Sharia Law does not mean that we would allow the amputation of hands for thieves or having adulterers stoned to death. But as we do with other faiths we can, should, and do allow Muslims to have their own courts to deal with the internal matters of their faith.
 
Matthew_Holford said:
Sharia Law is used in the UK. I know this for fact. It is used as I see it in a similar way as Latin Catholic tribunals. That is, to handle matters concerning marriage.

Lots of other faiths have their own courts to deal with the internal matters of their faiths. The Church of England has its own courts system here in the UK. From what I know it’s used mainly to deal with clergy discipline. The Jewish faith has its own courts system in the UK.

I’ve read on some posts in this thread that in the USA allowing Sharia Law would be against the US Constitution. But, there are Latin Catholic Tribunals in the USA, where’s the difference?

As I said earlier Sharia courts in the UK deal with marriage issues. Allowing Sharia Law does not mean that we would allow the amputation of hands for thieves or having adulterers stoned to death. But as we do with other faiths we can, should, and do allow Muslims to have their own courts to deal with the internal matters of their faith.
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Both the Jewish Beth Din and Muslim Arbitration Tribunal systems are just ‘arbitration courts’ within the normal UK arbitration system - they’re civil courts, not criminal courts, they’re not compulsory (people in dispute can choose to use them if both sides wish), neither can they make decisions outside the UK framework of law.
 
Kaninchen said:
How are these triumphalist Islamic statements different from the kind of thing one can read from posters on CAF any day? How are they any more ‘real’ than calls for the establishment of Catholic theocracies, Catholic monarchies and so on?

Is the argument that there are a billion Muslims breeding like mad and arming themselves to force Shariah on the world?

My guess is that most of them take this sort of stuff as seriously as most Catholics on CAF (never mind the other billion or whatever) take calls for Catholic theocracy.
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hi Kaninchen. ill be honest my dear. i am waiting for a theocracy…and guess what? the leader of its going to be…Jewish! 👍 if we are right, and it is Jesus, then we have a Jewish king who will reign for all eternity. if our Jewish bretheren, and sisters are correct, then when he comes we will Still have Jewish king, and every knee shall bow. either way, it will be a theocracy led by davids descendant. and i for one, have absolutely no problem with that. currently, im taking part, in defending not only the west in my view, but also the Chosen of God. and the innocent Muslims who want to live peacefully. all these people are dear to their Creator, and ill be d@!%$$ if i am going to sit back and let their extremist win, like they have in so many parts of the world. Peace to you and yours. 🙂
 
What I heard on TV last night is that Europe is now realizing they made a mistake of being too tolerant. I think the abuses the British are enduring by some need to be addressed.

We are watching Europe, and do not want the same for ours. For a Muslim to treat the native people like they are need to be addressed.

There is such an uproar here…The separation of Church and State – from what I was hearing from a few sources – actually came from observations of the Anabaptists and main line Protestant Christians…they were fighting among themselves about who was right…and then there was the Catholic problem of being loyal to the Pope…so this separation came about from the divisions of Christianity itself. And now it has come back to bite.

What this uproar is beginning to provide is a public forum where the American public can voice its grievances against the Muslims coming who intend to displace our own people…the immorality of doing this to natives any where, to confront them about their imposition of their religion, and their profound lack of reciprococity to afford us the same rights, if we were in the countries of their origins. If so, this is not accepted and they have to re-think their citizenship to see if they are able to integrate peacefully…If not, this has to be seriously addressed.

And then to bring our military in to deal with the refusal to properly integrate in peace and respect.
 
I think it is unlikely, at least in Australia. Muslims here make up a small percentage of the population and other religions like Buddhism, and also secularism and atheism, are rapidly growing. Australia has a very strong and entrenched secularist tradition in social life and politics, and Islamist extremism or terrorism only alienates Australians more from Islam. I doubt that short of an invasion by Indonesia, Australia will ever implement Sharia law in any form. Sharia may become important though in areas where there is a large Islamic community and Muslims need to resolve their disputes. But Muslims, like Jews and Christians from the Middle East, seem to fit reasonably well into Australian society and life generally and lead productive and respectable lives. I see no reason to regard them as a mortal threat to the state or to our tradition of the rule of secular law.
 
Gary, that is what Stephen John has been saying…

Since my last post, now even more is coming out with the people from that mosque, and some big work they are now doing in the Middle East to show how Muslims are treated here…would we have the same rights in their countries? This won’t be discussed, I am sure.

The main point we must now realize is not to believe in lies by activists posing as moderate Muslims. And I believe now the more I am seeing, hearing and reading, that American Muslims are just as much against the mosque as the natives.

It is time to give grievance to those who are abusing their citizenship and upsetting our people. Pope John Paul…it is best to let go and only hold on to what is the best of one’s culture…integrate…peacefully and respectfully…and our evangelical duty to welcome the newcomer, the stranger.

When addressing Sharia, I see it hand in hand in addressing the evil of pornography and profanity which is coming out of American and flooding the world. The two must be addressed. People of faith are repulsed by the behaviors and images they see of Westerns as well.
 
KathleenGee said:
What I heard on TV last night is that Europe is now realizing they made a mistake of being too tolerant. I think the abuses the British are enduring by some need to be addressed.
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What abuses would those be?
 
There are militant Muslims on all our campuses now intimidating our students to silence. We are having growing bigotry against Jews. I shared with you my friend’s experience among some Arabs at the community college and seeing all these anti-Jewish posters she tore down…with nobody protesting or assisting. She and are of the old school.

There have been some Muslims killed in our country for becoming Christians. We have had some militants claim ‘insanity’ after running down people with their cars or like what happened at Fort Hood…people knew the fellow was an Islamicist…and let him have freedom at the base…

Or militant followers being uncivil to our people, lying, suing, contrived situations to bring people to trial all to silence them…like the 6 imams…who staged an incident on the plane…chanting…and they even named people who reported them and their behavior on the lawsuit against the airlines…the case was dismissed…but there was a settlement given to the imams…we have a divided country and they are profiting by it.

My daughter’s friend from high school is Arab. My daughter learned some Arab words including recognizing bad words from the girl’s brother. One day my daughter was crossing the campus at the university…and heard some Arabs call her a dirty name…she is married now but was virgin…and she said they had a meeting on the university the night before…very loud gathering of foreign Arabs…their presence is well known now since 9/11.

And the pictures I saw of Nottingham bobbies being intimidated into a corner on a street by a gang of robed Muslims…we see that…and the rapes of Scandinavian girls by Muslims…a 15 year old boy taken in a car and brutally beaten to death…race crimes…

We don’t want that in our country. We are seeing signs and it is time now to rise up and face it.
 
Sharia Law for Non-Muslims
Chapter 5: the Kafir

Islam must be stopped

"Islamic rules are called Sharia law or the Islamic law. Sharia law is a misnomer, for laws must be squarely based on justice and fairness to all, while Sharia law is nothing more than a primitive set of dogma stipulated by men for the benefit of Muslim men.

Sharia law disenfranchises women from their legitimate equal rights with men; prescribes barbaric punishments such as stoning, amputation of limbs and death. Sharia law, contrary to what its advocates claim, does not limit application of its draconian provisions to Muslims only: it considers any and all disputes involving Muslims with non-Muslims also in its purview to adjudicate. Sharia law is inherently arbitrary, obsolete, and discriminatory to the extreme. Wherever Sharia law rules, injustice prevails. Non-Muslims, women, and even children are victimized by its biased and cruel provisions.

Sharia law represents a twist to the concept of Blind Justice: It is indeed blind to justice. Even a cursory examination of Sharia’s family law, for instance, proves unequivocally its blindness to justice: it makes the shameful past laws, such as Jim Crow laws, seem as paragons of fairness by comparison." Ex-Muslim Amil Imani

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This article about Islamic mysogyny is horrifying!

One thing that bothers me is how those who keep promoting the mantra that we have nothing to fear from Islam or whatever, simply ignore what contradicts their picture of how great everything is. Qwerk posted a letter from a Berber woman that tells a horrifying story of what she and others are going through in a Muslim majority area and there’s not a comment from these people. Apparently, they just don’t care!

What is wrong with these people? Tomarin doesn’t even seem to think that the mosque shouldn’t be built on Ground Zero. There’s no sensitivity there at all for what happened 9/11. All he’s concerned about is that Muslims should have the freedom of religion to build it there. He has also stated that Marxism is dead as a doornail, yet he can’t see that it’s alive and well in the Obama regime.

Contarini seems to think that what happened on 9/11 is all our fault and we had it coming. Tu quoques fly left and right and Jharek and LDN post jokes and if you don’t agree with the utopian view of these people, you’re a bigot or paranoid. And still the atrocities in the name of the religion of “peace” continue…

Vickie
 
I think we gave Islam and Muslims so many rights and freedom that we don’t dream about getting it from them in their countries… even in a ‘civilized’ country like Turkey, you can’t build a church or preach in Christianity.
I personally think that it’s about time that we change our behavior and start acting somehow more carefully and less tolerant until we see some change in the other side…

Many times we started by doing the first step without expecting that the others would appreciate it, and until now nothing has changed on the other side_ it even made things worst to us_ So I think we should now stop and wait the other side to do the next move…
The ball now in their field…

For me until I see a church and a Jewish temple built in Saudi Arabia, I can’t consider that Islam is a tolerant religion, so frankly and honestly speaking.
** I’m not speaking about the people nor generalizing **
 
Again, I refer back to the Pakistani Muslim expert on law. He does not support Sharia because of the barbarism in it. He says there is alot of confusion about law in Islam, partly because of different sources within it, as well as Islam’s exposure to British Law and the other, Sharia.

Many American Muslims also oppose the mosque at the WTC. There are new developments that are now wanting to know who is going to fund this mosque and the developer ran away from Fox News when they asked him to come before the families of 9/11 who oppose it.

My sense of betrayal seeing so many young people and others vote for Obama when myself and others kept warning them he was not truthful, he is a neo-Marxist and comes from a personal heritage that is very unusual-- we have to believe in his statement he is Christian, his collusion with George Soros who is both Marxist and hard core capitalist…the kind the Church warns us about, ‘transferring the wealth from one part of the world to another’…that has no infrastructure to properly integrate and develop the funds…where human beings are reduced to objects.

Now it will be our young will have to deal with seeing all our billions of revenue lost to unknown sources…the forthcoming depression…and we will probably never be able to return to the affluence as before. But, also, it is a time of grace. Our country was fine financially before the coming of the international banking system…this type of financial system creating a consumerist society where we then become slaves to debt.

For this time, though, our young who voted for this administration will be the slaves to pay off debts as well as the producers of the free market…only so much. It seems impossible really. So I am foreseeing instead new economies arising in the future…but not until the internationalists who have no value for human life have had their day.

Marxism and modern militant Islam share the same enemies – the Catholic Church and America.

The ‘Son of Hamas’ is warning Americans before it is too late that the radicals, disguised as moderate Muslims, do indeed have an agenda. And these are the very ones who have their underlings to silence the American Muslims who oppose them and their extremism.

I learned alot from just reading the comments of those who actually live in New York City…how St. Nicholas had all sorts of red tape to deal with…

Also, when it comes to our government…you can watch C-SPAN and Congress at work looking at all these documents to vote on…Who…who are the authors of these documents that Congress really has no time to read? And the bail outs…many of us knew already the money was going to be lost…so many protests across the country…and congress not listening…and they call us the extremists…not the radical mosque men and Marxists…disinformation at its apex of power.

Disinformation.

So…we need now to demand national public forums to grieve the abuse of citizenship we have been dealing with for so many years, the degradation of Judeo Christian values, the proliferation of smut and profanity in our cities, on the internet and into the world, the idealogical formation of our young people, the silencing of bloggers exposing corruption in our government, the deliberate destruction of our wealth that was earned honestly through work, the excessive wealth of the rich and the neglect of our poor, the deliberate crippling of minorities to make them dependent on entitlements, instead of making them strong and equal citizens…the targeting of our youth to disregard sexual morality for free sex and abortion…we need to demand public forums to finally stand up to those who are destroying the soul of our country.

What I just expressed are indeed social engineering crimes against humanity…the moral soul and value of the human being.

And I am sure all sincere God fearing and humane Muslims would stand with us.
 
Are you watching the news, blogs, eyewitness accounts not being reported by the media?
 
Right now I actually would prefer to reside for several months on the Adriatic Coast of Italy…people who have same values as myself …their headquarters in DC are getting so many threats and now those calling for death, that they are moving their headquarters to a safer location…

Viva Italia!!
 
KathleenGee said:
There are militant Muslims on all our campuses now intimidating our students to silence. We are having growing bigotry against Jews. I shared with you my friend’s experience among some Arabs at the community college and seeing all these anti-Jewish posters she tore down…with nobody protesting or assisting. She and are of the old school.

There have been some Muslims killed in our country for becoming Christians. We have had some militants claim ‘insanity’ after running down people with their cars or like what happened at Fort Hood…people knew the fellow was an Islamicist…and let him have freedom at the base…

Or militant followers being uncivil to our people, lying, suing, contrived situations to bring people to trial all to silence them…like the 6 imams…who staged an incident on the plane…chanting…and they even named people who reported them and their behavior on the lawsuit against the airlines…the case was dismissed…but there was a settlement given to the imams…we have a divided country and they are profiting by it.

My daughter’s friend from high school is Arab. My daughter learned some Arab words including recognizing bad words from the girl’s brother. One day my daughter was crossing the campus at the university…and heard some Arabs call her a dirty name…she is married now but was virgin…and she said they had a meeting on the university the night before…very loud gathering of foreign Arabs…their presence is well known now since 9/11.

And the pictures I saw of Nottingham bobbies being intimidated into a corner on a street by a gang of robed Muslims…we see that…and the rapes of Scandinavian girls by Muslims…a 15 year old boy taken in a car and brutally beaten to death…race crimes…

We don’t want that in our country. We are seeing signs and it is time now to rise up and face it.
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I repeat, what abuses are we British enduring.

You cited one event in Britain.
 
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