Will there be Catholic hospitals next year?

[tom25]

In light of the HHS making the statement that religiously based institutions are not exempt on providing health care the cover birth control and abortion, will the Catholic Church rather that hospitals, schools, etc… be closed instead of sin?

 

[BcuzISaidSo]

It’s not impossible. When you consider that Catholic agencies have had to stop offering adoption services, rather than place children with same sex families…

 

[Leegal]

In light of the HHS making the statement that religiously based institutions are not exempt on providing health care the cover birth control and abortion, will the Catholic Church rather that hospitals, schools, etc… be closed instead of sin?

There will be Catholic Hospitals and universities. God will find a way through the USSC. If they struck down the Administration’s interference in Lutheran ministries last month, I see the same result happening with the HHS Obabacare attempt to dictate conscience. HHS is, IMO, a far graver offense to faith and conscience.

 

[IrishRush]

This is something that is very much on my mind as well. I work in a Catholic hospital, and it currently does NOT cover birth control in the medical insurance. I hope we don’t get to the point where they feel the need to not provide insurance to us as employees, but I also do NOT want them to compromise on this.
I know God will have His hand in the outcome, and I’ll continue to pray for complete trust in God’s will in this situation.
But I am worried.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Remember the Boston Tea Party? We are about to see a modern variant. I think the Bishops are prepared to say “we will not comply”. Many have said just that.

I doubt they would close the hospitals, as that would create greater harm than good, although it would remain as a possibility, especially if the government threatened to withhold reimbursements or grants.

If Catholics are truly concerned about this, they have an opportunity to overturn all of this in November. The vote is still mightier than the edict. The founding fathers, God-loving and God-fearing, understood what might happen if government were left unchecked. It is a testament to their resolve and genius that we still have remedies against such tyranny (a term I have never used until now, but is absolutely appropriate in this instance).

 

[JimG]

If Catholics are truly concerned about this, they have an opportunity to overturn all of this in November. The vote is still mightier than the edict. The founding fathers, God-loving and God-fearing, understood what might happen if government were left unchecked. It is a testament to their resolve and genius that we still have remedies against such tyranny (a term I have never used until now, but is absolutely appropriate in this instance).

The vote is certainly the remedy. Yet I fear that a good number of Catholics will remain in the tank for Obama even as he sets out to destroy the Church.

Catholic hospitals could surrender their Catholic identity and become non-Catholic hospitals. That’s what the administration would like. Get the Catholic Church out of the business.

They could continue operating and refuse to comply with the mandate, risking fines and jail.

They could close their doors and refuse to comply or be taken over by the government.

In any case, the administration will blame the Church for being stubborn and obstructionist. Just as Henry VIII blamed the Church when he didn’t get his way. It was reason enough for him to take it over and make it no longer Catholic. And most Catholics ignored the whole thing; they just let it happen.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Catholic hospitals could surrender their Catholic identity and become non-Catholic hospitals. That’s what the administration would like. Get the Catholic Church out of the business.

Indeed, that is the end game. Many have yet to acknowledge this, and that message must be conveyed by our bishops as they continue to preach on this subject.

And doesn’t this sound eerily similar to things we read in our history books about 20th century life behind the Iron Curtain?

If one sees the clear disdain and utter contempt for religion in general evidenced by this “Administration”, the choice in November should be clear.

If our Jewish friends recall how he treated the leader of Israel and how he has summarily reversed long-standing commitments made to Israel by every Administration, Democrat and Republican, since the founding of the State, he should receive not a single vote from the Jewish community, either. We also thank Jewish leaders from all over the country who joined our Catholic bishops in solidarity over this issue.

We all must act according to our conscience, and I do know many Catholics who tend to ignore some teachings of the Church both in their personal lives and when it comes to politics. I will confess that until recently, I may have been guilty to some extent as well when it comes to politics. But if this issue does not smack one into reality, I don’t know what will.

What has also convinced me is the swiftness and degree to which our bishops have joined in solidarity against this tyranny. We even have a growing wave of support from fellow Christians, including some denominations that are typically at odds with the Catholic Church. Shouldn’t this be telling us something (several things, perhaps)?

The Lord speaks to us in mysterious ways. As a elder mentor of mine once said, “Sometimes He still needs to hit you upside the head with a 2x4 to get you to listen to what He has been saying all along!” If only he were stil with us today, I’m sure he would equate this current issue to the 2x4.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

well in Wisconsin I’m pretty sure that Catholic health care providers have to provide their employees with contraceptives already. But if you use them, you get fired. But that’s different than this. Anyway, I’m pretty sure that there will, considering the fact that we will have a new president.

 

[jonbhorton]

well in Wisconsin I’m pretty sure that Catholic health care providers have to provide their employees with contraceptives already. But if you use them, you get fired. But that’s different than this. Anyway, I’m pretty sure that there will, considering the fact that we will have a new president.

If you placing hope in the moral compass of the American people to lead them to the voting both with the idea of removing Bozo, I’ll hand you a tissue when you start crying from realization of that bad idea.

This end-game is the entire point: remove the Church from existence in the world. This is the first step to a long and bloody conflict.

Per a friend who instructs concealed-carry courses, when asked how they will know when to draw and shoot: “You’ll know”.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

If you placing hope in the moral compass of the American people to lead them to the voting both with the idea of removing Bozo, I’ll hand you a tissue when you start crying from realization of that bad idea.

I don’t think America’s moral compass is what will get “Bozo” out of the White House, but the fact that the economy is much worse than it was when he was first president. But what can you say? After all, he did promise change…

 

[Anathama_Sit]

Greetings to those posting and or reading this thread,

In risking of derailing the thread, I am not so sure if I am comfortable with the the vote will take care of the issue. I thought, and I could be mistaken, isn’t the electoral college votes that dictate who is preseident, based on what the people vote. Theoretically could not those who voted on the electoral college go against the people on this?

And even if Republican did get into office, who’t not to say that the next President after him won’t plunge the country even into more trouble than the present Presidential administration.

What is needed is strong reaction from Catholics on all fronts and not just the voting arena. I am encouraged by the actions of your country’s bishops and I pray that all Catholics will be able to stand with your courageous Bishops. I am pleased and happy to see that there is a strong reaction on CAF, but that hardly represents the Catholic population of your great country. Let us take what we post out here, to the Catholics that we run into everyday. Let us react here and off the Forums.

You all are in my prayers and I pray constantly that this act will be overturned.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

 

[jonbhorton]

I don’t think America’s moral compass is what will get “Bozo” out of the White House, but the fact that the economy is much worse than it was when he was first president. But what can you say? After all, he did promise change…

Voting on the basis of the economy is like choosing which neurosurgeon to operate on your friend’s severed head. Just because the economy is blinking and mouth is moving, it doesn’t mean the head can be reattached.

The USA’s actual debt is somewhere around 840% of the GDP, the national debt just topped 100% of the GDP, and we owe the nation of China a bunch of money. China has 300 million EXTRA men who will NEVER get wives. China very well could settle this debt with war.

Essentially, the election is a distraction from the issue at hand- we’re done. We’ve been done, and just because we don’t know it doesn’t mean we should find a neurosurgeon for our economically severed head. What we need is a priest, extreme unction, and a heck of a wake- for maybe the dead shall rise. I doubt it though. So, I’ve come to terms with it. I won’t vote except to make a point, if at all. I know it’s useless.

Plain and simple, we’re done. Pretty soon, the EU will collapse; pretty soon, the US will collapse; pretty soon, the only nations with the ability to maintain the ship will be either islamic or communist. Russia, though superficially no longer communist, maintains many communist style policies in their handling of the modern dichotomy of Axis and Allies. China, through and through communist, evil, and overall not the troops you want occupying our streets. Iran, partnered with the first two.

Per this blog post, which I wrote to shed light on the big picture.

Wars And Rumors Of Wars
December 13, 2011

This is an article composed of links to news stories detailing why it is absolutely imperative you understand that life in America is coming to a screeching halt and change of direction. If you think these events coming to transpire will not have a drastic and dire effect on America, think again. Think long and hard, again. And then again. Finally, pick your jaw and weeping heart off the floor and get righteously angry. Once you get angry, purchase what you can to survive this coming catastrophe. Mainly, if you have not already, invest in a Nuclear Survival Kit!! (<<contained link to a post about Jesus which I titled “Nuclear Survival Kit”)

1)Iran and Israel are showing down for war. 2)Russia and China are bringing their militaries to alert.3) A US Carrier is off the coast of Syria , Russia is sending one to provide a presence. 4) China and Russia have said they are prepared to start WW3 over protecting Iran from a strike. 5) The US and Europe are basically running on borrowed fumes economically speaking. 6)The futures are no longer our future at all.

So, where does this leave you, me, us? Screwed.

Full Links:

1)Iran: telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8936797/Irans-Revolutionary-Guards-prepare-for-war.html

Israel: breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.9052a66e6c943a08a83435521e485b80.411&show_article=1

2)Russia: outsidethebeltway.com/russia-on-combat-alert-over-nato-missile-defense/

China: news.yahoo.com/chinas-hu-urges-navy-prepare-combat-160509787.html

3)US Carrier: dailycaller.com/2011/11/23/report-u-s-carrier-sent-to-syrian-coast-as-tensions-flare/

Russian Carrier: rt.com/news/russian-aircraft-carrier-syria-363/

4)China ww3: eutimes.net/2011/12/chinese-general-threatens-us-with-world-war-3-over-iran/

Russia ww3: agoracosmopolitan.com/news/intrnational/2011/11/07/1578.html

5)US borrowed fumes: newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/643/All-together-US-debt-is-at-840-of-GDP-Trillions-Of-Troubles-Ahead.aspx

EU borrowed fumes: theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/20-signs-of-imminent-financial-collapse-in-europe

eutimes.net/2011/12/us-eu-economies-set-to-collapse/

6)Futures no longer a future at all: financialsense.com/financial-sense-newshour/guest-expert/2011/12/01/ann-barnhardt/entire-futures-options-market-destroyed-by-mf-global-collapse

 

[mark_a]

well in Wisconsin I’m pretty sure that Catholic health care providers have to provide their employees with contraceptives already. But if you use them, you get fired. But that’s different than this. Anyway, I’m pretty sure that there will, considering the fact that we will have a new president.

This just sounds weird. How in the world would anyone know if contraceptives are being used?

 

[Incomplete]

well in Wisconsin I’m pretty sure that Catholic health care providers have to provide their employees with contraceptives already. But if you use them, you get fired. But that’s different than this. Anyway, I’m pretty sure that there will, considering the fact that we will have a new president.

The difference in Wisconsin is that it is not required for the self-insured, and at least three of the Dioceses are self-insured. I don’t know what decision was made in the other two. I used to follow that on the website of my diocese, but they never really said what they did about it. I am hoping they managed to bring the other two dioceses under one of the self-insured plans, but I don’t know that they did.

With the new mandate, it doesn’t matter that they are self-insured. They would still be required to offer it.

 

[Incomplete]

Greetings to those posting and or reading this thread,

In risking of derailing the thread, I am not so sure if I am comfortable with the the vote will take care of the issue. I thought, and I could be mistaken, isn’t the electoral college votes that dictate who is preseident, based on what the people vote. Theoretically could not those who voted on the electoral college go against the people on this?

And even if Republican did get into office, who’t not to say that the next President after him won’t plunge the country even into more trouble than the present Presidential administration.

What is needed is strong reaction from Catholics on all fronts and not just the voting arena. I am encouraged by the actions of your country’s bishops and I pray that all Catholics will be able to stand with your courageous Bishops. I am pleased and happy to see that there is a strong reaction on CAF, but that hardly represents the Catholic population of your great country. Let us take what we post out here, to the Catholics that we run into everyday. Let us react here and off the Forums.

You all are in my prayers and I pray constantly that this act will be overturned.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

I agree about the vote. Even if we end up with a new President, even if he turns out to be truly great, it doesn’t resolve the issue for some future President. We need the Supreme Court ruling as well.

Thank you so much for your prayers. These are scary times.

 

[Incomplete]

Regarding Wisconsin, I found some information. At least one of the Dioceses that could not afford to self-insure did start including contraceptive coverage, but asked it’s employers not to use that “benefit”. Of course, I’m sure some did.

Apparently the Bishops still lobbying to get that changed. As well, they were just kind of biding time because they knew this was coming up on the national level and hoped for something better in the national plan. They didn’t get it. Obviously.

 

[Anathama_Sit]

I agree the Supreme Court ruling would be helpful.

 

[asia53]

And even if Republican did get into office, who’t not to say that the next President after him won’t plunge the country even into more trouble than the present Presidential administration.

What is needed is strong reaction from Catholics on all fronts and not just the voting arena. I am encouraged by the actions of your country’s bishops and I pray that all Catholics will be able to stand with your courageous Bishops. I am pleased and happy to see that there is a strong reaction on CAF, but that hardly represents the Catholic population of your great country. Let us take what we post out here, to the Catholics that we run into everyday. Let us react here and off the Forums.

This is what worries me, my dear thieving friend. Didn’t Obama’s campaign posturing promise us change? Well, we got it! There’s no guarantee the next person will be any better.

Definitely, a call to action! As Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan said, “In effect, the president is saying we have a year to figure out how to violate our consciences.” I’m praying we use that year wisely to defeat this horrible law.

Your unabashed purloining friend,

Asia

 

[Anathama_Sit]

Greetings my dear unabashed purloining friend,

Yes that is what I remember Obama promising before his election. And I am very wary of anyone who gets into the White House. It’s not the President that will save the country, it’s not the Supreme Court who will save the country, no it is everday people, everyday Catholics who are willing to stand up for their faith and the Church’s teaching, which is God’s Law that will help to turn things around.

I pray that your people will be infilled with courage and zeal and the faith to stand up for God’s Law and His Church. I would, with the grace of God, perfer to Stand up for God against world governement, then stand Against God in the particular judgment because I stood up for the world’s laws. Nothing in this life is worth jeporadizing our eternal life.

Of course we are also warned in the bible that times of persecution will again happen. But even if this is a first step in that direction, always, always, keep eternity in mind.

God Bless.
Your Theiving Friend,
Anathama Sit

 

[paul_c]

The HHS mandate is unconstitutional so it will be overturned by the Supreme Court… Its a blatant overreach of the 1st amendment.

But, before that happens, the law can be changed by the legislature but it will have to be enough of a majority to override Obama’s inevitable veto. In this, we should all write to our congressman and senators and make our wishes known.

And of course, this is only one of several attacks against the Catholic Church launched by the Obama administration. We must use our vote to topple this administration because it will continue to attack the Catholic Church,even if the Supreme Court overturns the HHS mandate. After all, it released its HHS decision just days after being dealt a 9-0 defeat in the supreme court on a similar church- state issue on the right of the church to define who is a minister…