Will You Accept the Mark of the Beast

[kinja]

Sigh

This new age stuff is really upsetting me. It will not be a chip, people. When the Bible says that it will be in the head and hand, it means that people will accept it in their mind (conscience) and willfully. We must not interpret the Bible according to modern times. We must respect and consider the times in which the Apocalypse was written. Like the name of the book suggest, the Book is in Apocalyptic language, which was very popular and symbolic in John’s time. It is not to be taken literally. I doubt there will be literal 7 headed beasts.

Your theory is sound until we read in Revelation that no one who has not the mark of the beast will be able to buy or sell. If the it is not a literal mark then how would a secular system evaluate the person to allow or prevent them from being able to buy or sell goods in society? it has to be a physical mark in order for it to work. The physical mark would be a symbol of submission to satan but it would natuarally be necessary in order to qualify one’s allegiance.

 

[centurionguard]

The government can already get any information on any of us anytime they want to. How would a microchip be any different? Just make it easier for them.

The government can already get any information on any of us anytime they want to.

It’s not solely information that governments have access to on every citizen but by orbiting satellites governments can track your every move 24/7, 365 days a year. This is what governments want and their poised to do just that without yours or my consent. Your Freedom and Liberties blown all to hell. Of course you have the choice to live deep in the forests and deserts and surgically cut out the implants on your body. No doubt governments will hunt non-compliants down and kill them. Sound ludicrous ? Doubt bet your life on it or swear by God you’ll always be safe. Major credit cards with some already have implanted microchips. But don’t think of it with the illusion that it’s totally for your safety alone.
Anybody who complacently trusts governments needs their head examined.
On U.S. coins you see the motto (“In God We Trust”). Sometimes it can seem as an illusive mockery. What does God want to do with petty human riches ?
In the southwestern U.S. states of Texas, Arizona, and California I have read in popular Discovery Science magazines in that they have chosen a few supermarkets in an experiment to switch their UPC bar code for microchips on food items and the sort.
The consumer walks through a checkout counter and a scanner tallies the entire groceries in a full heaping grocer cart accurately to the penny. All the consumer has to do is bag it.
Convenience ?

 

[cheeto1]

In this discussion, Revelation 7:2-4 has been overlooked.
This is why the people who say it’s not really a mark might still be right.
… .another angel.(said) (3) Do no harm to the land or the sea or the trees
until we imprint this seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God. (4)
I heard the number of those who were so marked – one hundred and forty-four
thousand…

Are there to be 2 kinds of marks for the forehead, one for God’s people and one
for the beast? Or is it as others say, not a physical mark?

I always have to go away from the book of Revelation, it makes me nervous.
I believe in what Luke 1_28 says. You are smart Luke

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Heres the thing if the there is a option of getting or not getting the chips ( if that is what it happens to be ) then I see no reason to not get it if you choose to. the thing is if it is at some point you while no longer be given the option and if you refuse the mark ( chip if that it) you will be put to death. that is the Question there will you accept the mark or choose to die instead? Remember by this time the anti-Christ will have declared himself god so there will not be any question about if he is or is not the anti-Christ.

 

[dannyw2]

No i will not accept

 

[spauline]

How about, as I summarized in my article, the Seal of God on the forehead is given to faithful Catholics, who are protected in their intellect (which lies behind the forehead) from doctrinal error, precisely because of the Chuch’s infallibility.

The trumpets then signify the Church’s great proclamations of doctrine, in that, those that resist her teachings, in the various DEGREES, shall be “harmed” in their intellect by the spiritual “unchastity” of doctrine (whereas the Catholics remain “chaste” in the intellect, the 144,000).

Those harmed, then, by the trumpets, are the progressive stages of doctrinal depravity that move toward the apostasy we have today, culminating in the mark of the beast, which would be UTTER doctrinal depravity, eg, as in relativism or atheism, a materialism that utterly scoffs at God.

The intermediate trumpets are then intermediate periods of gray, as in, for example, but not limited to, Islam, the Great Schism, Protestantism, and the Enlightenment.

?

Just food for thought.

It’s spiritual folks, it is spiritual.

For, which is worse: for a third of Europe to perish PHYSICALLY in the Black Plague, or for a third of European Civilization to perish SUPERNATURALLY in the so called “Enlightenment”, where those victimized spiritually fell away from supernatural religion, and regarded mere human effort and reason sufficient to know and obey God, independent of supernatural Revelation and grace?

Just some 2 cents!

 

[Neil_Anthony]

Heres the thing if the there is a option of getting or not getting the chips ( if that is what it happens to be ) then I see no reason to not get it if you choose to. the thing is if it is at some point you while no longer be given the option and if you refuse the mark ( chip if that it) you will be put to death. that is the Question there will you accept the mark or choose to die instead? Remember by this time the anti-Christ will have declared himself god so there will not be any question about if he is or is not the anti-Christ.

If you don’t get the mark, you can’t buy or sell… so you can’t buy food for your family.

That;s the only punishment. No buying or selling.

 

[PeterK]

Neil,

I didn’t ask if you would EMPOWER the government, or approve of it… I asked if you would accept the chip if otherwise you would no longer be able to buy and sell.

True, you didn’t ask that. I see now that you are envisioning an advanced fictional scenario akin to something in the ‘Left Behind’ series. So I will say a ‘fictional’ no. And this fictional stance would be based on the fictional insight I would have that this 666-chip is a mechanism of the anti-christ used to destroy the true remnant flock of Christ to which I, of course, would belong. Yes, I would withdraw my hand and embrace my destiny as a martyr of the end-times! Rapture me up, Scotty!

You ask a difficult question because it is so hypothetical. Hopefully, the three-branch system of democratic government would prevent such an abuse of power from developing.

However I think you are really asking this: if being accounted a citizen of a given government necessarily involved publicly and officially denouncing the Catholic faith or the Divinity of Christ - which would you denounce - government or God?

Separation of Church and State played out to its ultimate conclusion? Is that more the sense of it? The reference to Revelation then being just window dressing?

Is there a point, even if only imagined, where it is impossible for one to ‘render to Ceasar’ and ‘render to God’? Do we always have this option before us? Did this only apply to money? or is there a broader application?

At least your question has spawned more questions.

: P

 

[Neil_Anthony]

However I think you are really asking this: if being accounted a citizen of a given government necessarily involved publicly and officially denouncing the Catholic faith or the Divinity of Christ - which would you denounce - government or God?

Actually I didn’t mean that at all… what I meant was, is there anything sinful with having a chip embedded that allows us to buy or sell, even if the number starts with 666? I don’t see how it has anything to do with denying God or the faith.

 

[ML561]

Not ;lomg ago people were worred about Social Security numbers and product codes being the Mark of the Beast. I disagree with that, but I draw the line at having a chip implanted in my body so that the government can track everything I do. If refusal to do so means I can no longer buy nor sell, then I guess I’ll just starve. We have already conceded way too much privacy to Big Brother. When and if I am required to have something implanted in my body in order for me to function in this world, then I will pray to be taken out of this world . Peace be with you.

 

[pnewton]

I will play the hypothetical game.

Yes, if the acceptance of the chip in no way requires worship of anyone and no rejection of the Lord or his Church.

No, if there was a religious significance attached to receiving said chip.

 

[Padraic]

Just want to say about 6 that it is a good number, God created Man on the 6th day! God redeemed man on Good Friday which is also the Jewish 6th day! (The sabbath being the 7th day) God instituted the Eucharist on the 6th day! (Thursday evening is the Jewish start of Friday) The Angel Gabriel was sent to Mary in the 6th month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy because God was recreating Man anew. See this site ( trinity.la/ ) for better explanation i hope! As regards 666 i think it symbolises the idea that man is God and i heard a Priest say that it symbolises the New Age religions which are so popular in the world especially Budhism, Budhism directly contradicts Christianity because the idea of reincarnation means you are saving yourself whereas Christians acknowledge that only Christ can save us

 

[spauline]

Just want to say about 6 that it is a good number, God created Man on the 6th day! God redeemed man on Good Friday which is also the Jewish 6th day! (The sabbath being the 7th day) God instituted the Eucharist on the 6th day! (Thursday evening is the Jewish start of Friday) The Angel Gabriel was sent to Mary in the 6th month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy because God was recreating Man anew. See this site ( trinity.la/ ) for better explanation i hope! As regards 666 i think it symbolises the idea that man is God and i heard a Priest say that it symbolises the New Age religions which are so popular in the world especially Budhism, Budhism directly contradicts Christianity because the idea of reincarnation means you are saving yourself whereas Christians acknowledge that only Christ can save us

Now keep going buddy. St. Augustine and St. Methodious of Olympus said the ages of the old Law were FIVE. Therefore, also, as Augustine put it, did God RE-create man in His Image and likeness in the sixth age of Salvation history, when pagan Rome fell and became Catholic Christendom, where continents of whole Gentiles were remade in their minds and hearts according to truth and grace for the first time since the fall, where, hitherto, the vast majority of man was in the spiritual death of paganism and sin, saving the remnant Jews.

 

[spauline]

Just want to say about 6 that it is a good number, God created Man on the 6th day! God redeemed man on Good Friday which is also the Jewish 6th day! (The sabbath being the 7th day) God instituted the Eucharist on the 6th day! (Thursday evening is the Jewish start of Friday) The Angel Gabriel was sent to Mary in the 6th month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy because God was recreating Man anew. See this site ( trinity.la/ ) for better explanation i hope! As regards 666 i think it symbolises the idea that man is God and i heard a Priest say that it symbolises the New Age religions which are so popular in the world especially Budhism, Budhism directly contradicts Christianity because the idea of reincarnation means you are saving yourself whereas Christians acknowledge that only Christ can save us

Well, the general idea of the deification of man is the spirit of utter depravity of intellect and will (forehead and hand), where, in the intellect, man either denies or is indifferent to the questions of religion and morality, and in the will, does what he pleases, living for this world rather than the hereafter.

 

[rayne89]

I feel like I stumbled into my MIL’s Sunday worship service.

 

[Sharonj]

Has anyone said this already?
John 6:66 is where the disciples returned to their former “ways” becasue the teaching of the Eucharist was too hard for them. That was my favorite explanation from Scott Hahn and Brandt Pitre.

 

[marybridget123]

No.

I believe that every generation has a period considered THE end time. The ‘mark of the beast’ in my opinion, is in all time(s) a challenge of personal fidelity related to Christ and His Bride, the Church. NO ONE IS WILLINGLY WAITING IN LINE TO RECEIVE THE ‘MARK.’

Please bear with me.

This 'Mark" is universally viewed as rejectable to Christians. But there is an inescapable rendering of the “mark of the beast” that is played out regularly every day, somewhere. It is best seen in our own legal system, and to briefly make the point, known as 'jury nullification."

Jury nullification means in a jury trial, obvious, all cards on the table evidence that would convict a defendant is ignored because the jurors identify with non-evidentiary issues. The issues are sincerely ‘every-day’ issues, to which jurors can relate. Mostly the issues are highly personal and jurors can understand the defendant’s position and they personally relate to that possition.

Despite being in earnest when they were sworn as jurists to only apply the law and the evidence, they are unable to seperate themselves from the emotion. The law becomes secondary to the facts in evidence, and emotion moves into first place.

In the case of the Mark, I am convinced that (wo)man’s fatigue in her/his Soul will lessen the attentiveness to the Law of God BECAUSE SATAN KNOWS OUR WEAKNESSES.
The ONLY combatant we have to avoid human fatigue are the holy Sacraments, in particular CONFESSION THAT IS HONEST AND SPARES US NO HUMAN EMBARESSMENT–no nullification or 'lightening the words we use to avoid the truth of our sins, AND OUR MOST HOLY COMMUNION.

Thank you, should you have read this far. I am a very sinful person. I can only reject the Mark by willfully facing my offenses against God’s Law. It is painful and humiliating. It doesn’t get any easier. But i REFUSE the Mark of the Beast, and this is the cost. love, mary bridget.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

My point is we shouldn’t be worried about petty stuff like this and that. We need to work on making ourselves holy and not to be concerned with when mark of the beast and then end of the world will be hear.

None of this is petty. Getting people to first accept artificial contraception, and then the ‘right’ of abortion, was not petty either.

These are grave matters. Be afraid.

 

[PeterK]

Neil,

Actually I didn’t mean that at all…* what I meant was, is there anything sinful with having a chip embedded that allows us to buy or sell, even if the number starts with 666?* I don’t see how it has anything to do with denying God or the faith.

Sorry to have misunderstood you again.
First, I would say the number 666 is totally irrelevant to the choice yay or nay.
666 - in and of itself - is nothing. To think otherwise is chronic superstition.
Next, regarding is there anything sinful with having a chip embedded that allows us to buy or sell. Well, no. It would be like having your credit card info implanted under your fingernail so you would only have to ‘touch’ some device to complete the transaction. No problem with this at all. It’s the government mandated - forced compliance aspect that is missing from or diluted in your new re-worded scenario quoted above that is the problem.

Does that make it a little more clearer where I’m coming from? We all know how these mandates run - it’s a power grab. The individual’s personal freedoms would be severely diminished by such a policy. In Nazi Germany, the property rights of Jews were negated. Soon after the Jews were negated. One of the conditions that prevents the population of Haiti from pulling itself out of poverty is the lack of private ownership of property. The government owns it all - or most of it. Private ownership motivates and empowers individuals.

Now here’s the shake. You have to eat. So is it a sin to accept this enforced policy to insure food for yourself and family? Or do you stand against oppression?

Am I getting closer?

: P

 

[tobinatorstark]

Not knowing when Christ comes again is the best thing that can happen, it SHOULD keep us sober so we will be ready for when it happens. I don’t think any of us want to be in the middle of committing a mortal sin when the trumpet sounds, what a nightmare! But the 2nd coming of Christ means no more to our fate than the last breath we take in our lives, we should be just as ready for either.

So basically, our last day on earth, whether it is a car wreck, cancer, heart attack that takes us out, that is just as vital to our fates as the Lord coming upon the clouds in glory.

Good point! But I think that when the Antichrist has begun his severe persecution, all this hobby horse theology and foolish divisions among Christians over non-essential points of views will be a thing of the past. When Christians are being mowed down over their faith by governments and having to worship as a “church underground” then much of the self segregating Christ loving groups will be looking for fellow believers to lean on. In times like that even many of the anti-Catholic groups will either convert to the Church or at least call us brethren. We all unite over the abortion issue, how much more when we all are being thrown to the lions!

you make such wonderful points. Concentrating on being holy and being ready for the 2nd coming weather it happens now or not even in our lifetime is a must. Honestly I think many people will know what to when it comes to the mark of the beast. All we can be is ready for what’s coming and not worried about when it will come. I am sure most of us here will know what to do if it is that time