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EdOsiecki
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I like what you say here. ED O.Posted by spauline
O brother, another soapbox member!
You are probably the type of person that is always right in your mind, even when you don’t fully know what you are talking about
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Benadam
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A person who follows Jesus all the way to the cross. The closer to the cross the more the book is opened.
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spauline
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Dear Ed, I hope i apologized for this remark. I just get frustrated with persons that won’t open their mind to greater depth.
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jlhargus
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I would hope to have to grace to say no, if I know for sure it is the anti-Christ. If I did not know for sure and was questioning I would listen to the Church, if the Church can still be heard…
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CatholicGuy22
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I feel alot will during the end times. People today will get easily convinced and join his side.I just hope God gives me the strenght if i am alive during the end times.
If the world hates you remember that it hated me first, no servant is greater than his master, if they persecuted me they will persecute you.
If the world hates you remember that it hated me first, no servant is greater than his master, if they persecuted me they will persecute you.
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EdOsiecki
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Why are you or anyone on this thread concerned about accepting the Mark of the Beast? The born again believers will be raptured to meet Jesus in the sky prior to the antichrist and his mark of the beast system. 1 thes 4:15-18,very clearly states, “I can tell you this directly from the Lord: that we who are still living when the Lord returns will not rise to meet Him ahead of those who are in their graves. v16 For the Lord himself will come from heaven with a mighty shout and with the soul-stirring cry of the archangel and the great trumpet-call of God. And the believers who are dead will be the first to rise to meet the Lord. v17 Then we who are still alive and remain on earth will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with Him forever v18 So comfort and encourage each other with this news.”------Also Rev3:10 very clearly states,“Because you have patiently obeyed me despite the persecution, therefore I will protect you from the Great Tribulation and temptation, which will come upon the world to test everyone alive.”-------These verses tell me that I won’t be here on earth to face any anti-christ and his mark of the beast system. If you know that you are saved there’s nothing to be concerned about. God saved Noah and his family and Lot before judgement came, so why woudn’t he then save you? Unless your not sure that you are saved, then you better call upon the Lord to save you per Rom 10:13 before it’s too late! ED O.
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MariaG
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That is certainly one theory. There are others, that also use scripture they say shows the truth of their interpretation.
Now whether it is the CORRECT interpretation of scripture, I don’t know. I only need to make sure my lamp is full no matter whose interpretation is correct.
God Bless,
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crazzeto
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This is what he’s talking about
1 Thess 16
drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=59&ch=4&l=16&f=s#x
Problem is, he missed 1 Thess 15:
What day will the dead in Christ rise on?
John 6:
drbo.org/chapter/50006.htm
There’s a lot more than this, but I think this cements the point pretty well. The dead in Christ will rise on the last day. So this tribulation, for the non-believers resulting from the raputre of all the believers is scriptually shaky. In fact, it doesn’t hold scriptual water. Just to futher make my point, let’s take the passage “left behind” comes from:
Matthew 24
drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=24&l=37&f=s#x
You guys catch that description? As in the days of Noah, what happend to Noah? He was left behing, alive on earth, while the non-believers were taken by the waters of the flood. Noah was saved through the waters of the flood, just like we are saved through the waters of baptism. Left behind is fun fiction, but it’s unsound scripture.
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EdOsiecki
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Hi Maria, I’m familiar with pre-trib, mid-trib and post-trib rapture. If there’s any other I would be very appreciative to know about it.
. To this I say Amen! Amen! and Amen! God Bless ED O.
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EdOsiecki
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It’s there my verse 16 is your verse 15
What day will the dead in Christ rise on?
John 6:
drbo.org/chapter/50006.htm
It’s not shaky, there’s only one last day for the believers, that’s were they meet Jesus in the clouds and be with him forever.
Matthew 24
drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=24&l=37&f=s#x
Noah’s physical body was saved by the flood but he was spiritually saved for 120 years prior to the flood. That’s why God called him. If you are saved by “water” baptism then Jesus died in vain. “water” baptism is exactly what John says it is a baptism of repentance Mat. 3:11 Rev 1:5 Jesus freed us from our sins by His Blood. In Mat 26:28 Jesus is speaking, " This is my blood of the new covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. You can’t have both water and blood forgiving sins. ED O.
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crazzeto
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It’s shaky at best, personally I feel it’s unsound. There is one and only one “last day”. That last day is the last day of the current heaven and current earth, i.e. the true end of the world as we know it. The day on which Jesus comes again in Glory to Judge the living and the dead, this is the reason why the dead in Christ rise first, then the beleivers who are left after all tribulations and everything else which will occur before the last day will finally meet Christ on his way back to earth for the second, and last time.
Now while I can see that it’s very comforting to beleive that the tribulation is for… you know… them… The non-beleivers. Us beleivers are OK, we’re just going to get called up and we’ll be fine. We’ll be in heaven, then those non-beleivers will face all manner of tribluation. The problem is that just doesn’t hold scriptual water at all, as I’ve already demonstrated definitivily by pointing out the dead isn’t rising until the last, you know final day. Not 1,000 years before the last and final day of the current heaven and earth, the last and final day period, the day on which a new heaven and earth will be instituded. Now lets look at revelation, which incidently speaks to the past, present and future (from the perspective of John who received it).
Apocalypse Ch 3, I’ll set this up just briefly. Christ has just asked John to write 7 letters, to the 7 churches:
drbo.org/chapter/73002.htm
I choose Philidelphia for a reason, they’re the only perfect Church. The only one out of the seven that Christ really has aboslutly no problem with what so ever. But did you catch the ending of the letter? It’s the same as all the others! “He that shall overcome”. Overcome what? I thought they were going to get “caught up” in the clouds, aviod all that tribulation? Unless that’s not what’s going to happen, the tribulation is for us, for the body of Christ, for the bride of Christ, for the Church. We’re the target, it’s all over the bible! We’re the ones who need to overcome, we need to endure to the end.
Rature Theoligy really makes just so much non-sense of a very great portion of the bible.
Problem, Noe or Noah really couldn’t be spirtually saved. Being spirtiually saved is what we got after Christ was crusified. It’s the pouring out of Gods grace upon the earth, like the blood and water coming from Christ’s peirced side. Noah was blessed by Christ. From noah’s loins would all us surviving members of humanity come (yes ultimatly from Adam and Eve, but they had a whole bunch of other childeren that never made it). Noah was saved by water, much again like we Christians are saved by being born again of Water and spirit (Johns baptism wasn’t a baptism of Spirit). Noah was saved because he was left behind on earth. Again, lets look at one more example Christ gives us:
Also like in the days of Lot Christ says in Luke 17, and again what happend? Lot was saved! How? He was left behind, here on earth. The residence of Sodom were taken, in fire and brimstone.
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MariaG
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No, I am not well versed in this. The only bible studies I did on it was in an Assembly of God Church. I have to say, I got really, really angry. In that study, it was the rapture theory and people were going on and on about praying for the rapture to come soon. That just made me so angry, I was crying and shaking.
I finally got up and told them all if they truly believed that the rapture was going to happen they needed to stop praying for the rapture and start praying for their mothers, brothers and neighbors that were still not saved.
The pastor agreed and we stopped the study and started praying. (He also said it was a manisfetation of the Holy Spirit and we needed to listen.)
I have not studied much on it since. I makes my head hurt
uch:Amen Brother!
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Bob_Crowley
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Personally I think it will be a chip, or something akin to one. A world wide totalitarian government would need a method of monitoring all its citizens, particularly in this age of potential terrorism.Sigh
This new age stuff is really upsetting me. It will not be a chip, people. When the Bible says that it will be in the head and hand, it means that people will accept it in their mind (conscience) and willfully. We must not interpret the Bible according to modern times. We must respect and consider the times in which the Apocalypse was written. Like the name of the book suggest, the Book is in Apocalyptic language, which was very popular and symbolic in John’s time. It is not to be taken literally. I doubt there will be literal 7 headed beasts.
I have a booklet at home put out by the “Commission for the Future”, which was set up by the Australian Government back in the 80’s. It’s since been disbanded as far as I know.
This particular booklet deals with the “Cashless Society” and was chaired by a well known atheist over here, a bloke called Philip Adams. In the booklet, it was alleged an American think-tank of lawyers figured out, way back in the 1970’s, that the best way to keep tabs of citizens without their being aware of it was a cashless society. This means that every single transaction you make goes on a database. Any unusual or suspicious or questionable behaviour would be scrutinised by computer, just as for example the great majority of mobile phone calls are scrutinised even now.
We have for example Veri-chip: GPS monitors that are already used to keep track of criminals, either post-release, on pre-trial bail, or who may be subject to other restrictions:
US air force officers fire missiles at Taliban suspects in the mountains of Afghanistan from comfortable desks in California; mobile phone calls are monitored on a routine basis; spyware is widespread on the net; NSA is apparently involved in certain aspects of Operating Systems design, and we are moving towards a cash-less society, with more and more transactions on plastic every day.
Secondly a chip in the hand or head would be a lot harder to defraud than a plastic credit card, particularly if the information was tied to personal biological date eg. retinal scanners, DNA information or whatever.
So I think that in this case, there will be a literal “Mark of the Beast”. If a nuclear weapon goes off in the US or UK for example, courtesy of terrorists, the next step would be totalitarian control by governments who want to stop any more such acts. Imagine Adolf Hitler with today’s technology at his disposal.
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EdOsiecki
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Hi Bob, I agree wholeheartdley with what you present here. One would have to be living in fantacy land, if he can’t recognize what’s already taking place. Pets are being chipped and in some countries babies too. The cashless society is comming! What Tristan Cross states on post 150 doesn’t even make sense, as follows:
Originally Posted by TristanCross
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This new age stuff is really upsetting me. It will not be a chip, people. When the Bible says that it will be in the head and hand, it means that people will accept it in their mind (conscience) and willfully. We must not interpret the Bible according to modern times. We must respect and consider the times in which the Apocalypse was written. Like the name of the book suggest, the Book is in Apocalyptic language, which was very popular and symbolic in John’s time. It is not to be taken literally. I doubt there will be literal 7 headed beasts.
My response , He says people will accept it (mark) in their minds. That’s nonsense! The reason for the mark (chip) is to buy and sell. Are the store clerks suppose to read the people’s mind when they come to buy something? ----- Read this: Rev 16:2 states," So the first angel left the temple and poured out his flask over the earth, and horrible, malignant sores broke out on everyone who had the mark of the Beast and was worshiping his statue." Does that then mean people’s mind will be full of sores? ------In Belgian, the large computer already exists. It’s called the Beast = Belgian Electronic Accounting Surveillance Terminal.
He also states that the book of Revelation is not to be taken literally as he mentions about the 7 heads. There are times when it is to be taken literally and studied. Just like the rest of the Bible. Through that book, God is warning us as to what’s coming, as he did in the past in Noah’s and Lot’s day. ED O.
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crazzeto
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I have not problem with the idea that a (pair) of chips will be the mark of the beat. People seem to think that it will be some sort of stamp or tatoo or brand or some other sort of means available to ancients, which would work miraculously. So if you had it, then by some super natural means the anti-christ would just know you were on his side and so would God.
People forget that all through out salvation history, such things always had a real corperal practical implementation. It wasn’t all supernaturalism and miricles. There’s no reason to think the mark of the beast won’t have a corperal, physical means of functioning. No reason to think it won’t be an electronic chip working similarly to say, Mobile EasyPass, or those ID chips we implant in Animals. You get near the reader, it charges the chip, the chip sends back a handshake and ID number which is processed by a computer. No need for supernaturalism, the devil and anti-christ can just use the wonderous technology we’ve invented against us. In fact it’s better that way, it’ll put most people off guard.
People forget that all through out salvation history, such things always had a real corperal practical implementation. It wasn’t all supernaturalism and miricles. There’s no reason to think the mark of the beast won’t have a corperal, physical means of functioning. No reason to think it won’t be an electronic chip working similarly to say, Mobile EasyPass, or those ID chips we implant in Animals. You get near the reader, it charges the chip, the chip sends back a handshake and ID number which is processed by a computer. No need for supernaturalism, the devil and anti-christ can just use the wonderous technology we’ve invented against us. In fact it’s better that way, it’ll put most people off guard.
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EdOsiecki
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crazzeto here’s a good chronology of the End Time Events: THE END TIME EVENTS
Scriptural chronology of the “End Time Events” Mat 24:4, Firstly, Jesus mentions don’t be deceived. Next, wars, nations vs. nations, famines, earthquakes which has happened and continues. Lastly, the gospel will be preach to the world. Today via TV, it’s happening! Since the age of grace for the Christians is coming to an end, God is now getting ready to deal with the Jews.
-------A ) On May 15,1948, In one day once again, Israel became a nation as prophesied by Isa 66:6-7,
----- ( B ) In the 1967 war, the gentiles, for the first time in 2000 years, lost control to the Jews the city of Jerusalem as Jesus states it would in Luke 21:24.
-----( C ) Arabs want the city back but the Jews can’t give it back, because Jesus will set foot on Mt. Olives when He returns Zech 14:4. That’s why in the present daily news, you hear much about a peace treaty being negotiated. Eventually through deception, the anti-christ will the confirm a seven year peace treaty which sets the stage for the coming seven year Great Tribulation on earth Daniel 9:27.
-------( D ) Prior to that treaty being signed, God will rapture out the born again believers. Both, the dead from their graves and those who are alive will meet Jesus in the clouds and be with Him forever 1Thes 4:13-18, & 1Thes 1:10, John 14:3, Rom 5:9 and Rev. 3:10
-------( E ) The seven year Great Tribulation then begins the antichrist’s reign.
------ ( F ) Russia then moves to attack Israel. God intervenes and destroys 85% of their army Ezk 39:1-6. During the first three and one half years ( 42 months ) the antichrist, along with his false prophet, who will perform many miracles will impress and deceive many 2Thes 2:9-10. The Jews being deceived, will now once again be able to sacrifice on the altar. The other religious multitudes who remain on earth, who because of unbelief missed the rapture thinking it was a fairy tale, will unite into one ecumenical apostate church Rev 17. As a result, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will now believe a lie 2Thes 2:11.
----- ( G ) During the last three and one half years ( 42 months ), all hell breaks out! The antichrist will break the seven year treaty per Daniel 9:27 & 1Thes 5:3. A statue of himself will be erected and will be deliberately placed in the wing of the Jews temple’s, as Jesus states Mat 24:15 (ref.Daniel 9:27,11:31,12:11). Next, he requires every person to worship the statue or die Rev 13:15. And will require every person to receive the mark on the right hand or forehead in order to be able to buy or sell Rev. 13:14-17. Those who accept the mark will be damned to hell Rev 14:9-10. Those who refuse the mark will be beheaded but saved as matures Rev 20:4.
----- ( H ) Simultaneously, God will send the various plaques as described in chapters Rev 8, 9 and 16 , and one of His angels will seal the foreheads of 144,000 Jews. 12,000 from each of the tribes Rev 7:3. While another flying angel is sent to preach the eternal gospel to the inhabitants on earth Rev 14:6, and another angel announces that the apostate church the, “Mystery Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots” has fallen Rev 14:8, 18:3. The armies of the world gather around Jerusalem and the war begins. “ Armageddon” Rev 16:16, &19:19-20, Zech 12:2-3. Shortly after, Jesus descends the second time as lightening flashes across the sky Luke 17:24 with His armies Rev 19:14, and the Holy ones (raptured saints) Zech 14:5 to fight and to stop the war otherwise no one would survive Mat 24:22. As Jesus’ feet touch Mt. Olives, it splits in two, and some of the Jews flee to Azel per Zech 14:4-5. The antichrist and the false prophet are captured and sent to hell Rev 19:20. Satan is chain bound and thrown in to the Abyss and sealed for 1000 years. Rev 20:1-3.
-----( I ) Jesus then begins His 1000 year reign by judging all the nations who fought against Israel Mat 25:31-46. Peace finally comes Zech 8 ,Zec 12:10, Micah 4:1-4, ``etc. etc.-----------------------------at the end of the 1000 years, Satan will be loosed and will gather an army for battle and surround the camp of God’s people but fire from heaven will devour them . Satan will be sent to hell where the antichrist and false prophet are Rev 20:7-9. Then the “ Great White Throne” judgment Rev. 20:11. The books will be opened. The *dead (unsaved people) will be judged according to their works, if their names do not appear in the book of life, they’ll be cast into the lake of fire Rev 20:15. The heavens and earth will be purged by fire 2Pet 3:7-13. The new heaven and earth with the new Holy City Jerusalem, made like a 1400 mile cube Rev 21:10-16, will come down from heaven and the glory of God and the Lamb (Jesus) will live with us forever. That ends the events as far as we know! Praise God for sending Jesus who forgave us and atoned for our sins by His Blood!. God Bless ED O.
*Please note the “dead” will be judged for their sins. These are the people who have rejected God’s salvation plan. In the O.T. blood of animals was used to forgive and atone for their sins, in the N.T. it is Jesus that did it for us.
Scriptural chronology of the “End Time Events” Mat 24:4, Firstly, Jesus mentions don’t be deceived. Next, wars, nations vs. nations, famines, earthquakes which has happened and continues. Lastly, the gospel will be preach to the world. Today via TV, it’s happening! Since the age of grace for the Christians is coming to an end, God is now getting ready to deal with the Jews.
-------A ) On May 15,1948, In one day once again, Israel became a nation as prophesied by Isa 66:6-7,
----- ( B ) In the 1967 war, the gentiles, for the first time in 2000 years, lost control to the Jews the city of Jerusalem as Jesus states it would in Luke 21:24.
-----( C ) Arabs want the city back but the Jews can’t give it back, because Jesus will set foot on Mt. Olives when He returns Zech 14:4. That’s why in the present daily news, you hear much about a peace treaty being negotiated. Eventually through deception, the anti-christ will the confirm a seven year peace treaty which sets the stage for the coming seven year Great Tribulation on earth Daniel 9:27.
-------( D ) Prior to that treaty being signed, God will rapture out the born again believers. Both, the dead from their graves and those who are alive will meet Jesus in the clouds and be with Him forever 1Thes 4:13-18, & 1Thes 1:10, John 14:3, Rom 5:9 and Rev. 3:10
-------( E ) The seven year Great Tribulation then begins the antichrist’s reign.
------ ( F ) Russia then moves to attack Israel. God intervenes and destroys 85% of their army Ezk 39:1-6. During the first three and one half years ( 42 months ) the antichrist, along with his false prophet, who will perform many miracles will impress and deceive many 2Thes 2:9-10. The Jews being deceived, will now once again be able to sacrifice on the altar. The other religious multitudes who remain on earth, who because of unbelief missed the rapture thinking it was a fairy tale, will unite into one ecumenical apostate church Rev 17. As a result, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will now believe a lie 2Thes 2:11.
----- ( G ) During the last three and one half years ( 42 months ), all hell breaks out! The antichrist will break the seven year treaty per Daniel 9:27 & 1Thes 5:3. A statue of himself will be erected and will be deliberately placed in the wing of the Jews temple’s, as Jesus states Mat 24:15 (ref.Daniel 9:27,11:31,12:11). Next, he requires every person to worship the statue or die Rev 13:15. And will require every person to receive the mark on the right hand or forehead in order to be able to buy or sell Rev. 13:14-17. Those who accept the mark will be damned to hell Rev 14:9-10. Those who refuse the mark will be beheaded but saved as matures Rev 20:4.
----- ( H ) Simultaneously, God will send the various plaques as described in chapters Rev 8, 9 and 16 , and one of His angels will seal the foreheads of 144,000 Jews. 12,000 from each of the tribes Rev 7:3. While another flying angel is sent to preach the eternal gospel to the inhabitants on earth Rev 14:6, and another angel announces that the apostate church the, “Mystery Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots” has fallen Rev 14:8, 18:3. The armies of the world gather around Jerusalem and the war begins. “ Armageddon” Rev 16:16, &19:19-20, Zech 12:2-3. Shortly after, Jesus descends the second time as lightening flashes across the sky Luke 17:24 with His armies Rev 19:14, and the Holy ones (raptured saints) Zech 14:5 to fight and to stop the war otherwise no one would survive Mat 24:22. As Jesus’ feet touch Mt. Olives, it splits in two, and some of the Jews flee to Azel per Zech 14:4-5. The antichrist and the false prophet are captured and sent to hell Rev 19:20. Satan is chain bound and thrown in to the Abyss and sealed for 1000 years. Rev 20:1-3.
-----( I ) Jesus then begins His 1000 year reign by judging all the nations who fought against Israel Mat 25:31-46. Peace finally comes Zech 8 ,Zec 12:10, Micah 4:1-4, ``etc. etc.-----------------------------at the end of the 1000 years, Satan will be loosed and will gather an army for battle and surround the camp of God’s people but fire from heaven will devour them . Satan will be sent to hell where the antichrist and false prophet are Rev 20:7-9. Then the “ Great White Throne” judgment Rev. 20:11. The books will be opened. The *dead (unsaved people) will be judged according to their works, if their names do not appear in the book of life, they’ll be cast into the lake of fire Rev 20:15. The heavens and earth will be purged by fire 2Pet 3:7-13. The new heaven and earth with the new Holy City Jerusalem, made like a 1400 mile cube Rev 21:10-16, will come down from heaven and the glory of God and the Lamb (Jesus) will live with us forever. That ends the events as far as we know! Praise God for sending Jesus who forgave us and atoned for our sins by His Blood!. God Bless ED O.
*Please note the “dead” will be judged for their sins. These are the people who have rejected God’s salvation plan. In the O.T. blood of animals was used to forgive and atone for their sins, in the N.T. it is Jesus that did it for us.
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stopthependulum
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I’ll die before I’ll let someone put some tracking device in me. I’m a human being, not someone’s property! 
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crazzeto
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Ed:
As I pointed out your Cronology violates scripture, you can’t get around the fact that no one will be getting “caught up” until the “dead in Christ rise”. This will be on the last day, thee last day of the current heavens and earth which will be supplanted by a new heaven and earth. More over as I’ve show, the “left behind” theology violates the very examples from scripture from which the “left behind” book title was taken.
As I pointed out your Cronology violates scripture, you can’t get around the fact that no one will be getting “caught up” until the “dead in Christ rise”. This will be on the last day, thee last day of the current heavens and earth which will be supplanted by a new heaven and earth. More over as I’ve show, the “left behind” theology violates the very examples from scripture from which the “left behind” book title was taken.
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EdOsiecki
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Hi crazzeto, in my chronology on post 153, for every statement that I had made, I gave a Scripture reference. Apparently you haven’t looked them up. Concerning the rapture which precedes the seven year Great Tribulation, 1Thes 4:15 states," According to the Lord’s own word (John 14:3), we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. v16 For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven , with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first, v17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, And so we will be with the Lord forever."------This Scripture alone refutes your theology. It specifically states that those who have been in their graves (in Christ saved born again believers) will arise and we who are alive at that time will go up TOGETHER to meet the Lord in the clouds.( He does not touch ground) -------Here’s another Scripture that refutes your theology Zech 14:5 states when the Lord comes he’s bringing back with Him the Holy ones. These are the born again believers that went up in the rapture because 1Thes 4:17 said the believers will be with the Lord forever…
I very respectfully disagee with your theology. According to Scripture, at the end of Christ’s 1000 year reign, Satan will be loosed, gather an army to attack Jesus and His people in Jerusalem but God will consume him and his army by fire Rev 20:7-9 and send him to hell. Then the dead (people who were not saved) will arise for judgment and because they are not in the book of life will be cast to hell Rev 20:11-15. Then the earth will be purged by fire 2 Pet 3:7-13, Then the new heaven and earth with the new city of Jerusalem comes down from heaven Rev 21.
I never read the Left behind book so I can’t comment about it. What I state on my post 153 is Scripture chronolgy. ED O.
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EdOsiecki
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Hi stopthependulum, it’s not clear as to whom you are addressing the above, but since it followed my post 153, I take it that it might mean me. When you say, “Jesus died and left the holy father in charge —NOT YOU!” My chronology of the End Time events does not tell you to take the mark. In fact, it tells you how to avoid it by going up in the rapture before the seven year Great Tribulation starts. ED O.
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