Wine allowed in Islam?

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Ive got a question for our Muslim friends on here…
If wine is forbidden in Islam, why then does it say you will have it in paradise(heaven)?
Sura 47:15
15] (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell forever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)

I was just reading through one of the other threads and found this interesting… Please enlighten me as to why you can have it in heaven and not on earth?
 
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Please enlighten me as to why you can have it in heaven and not on earth?
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Islamic clerics claim that the wine in paradise is somehow a non-alcoholic one, the person won’t become drunk from drinking it.
 
The wine in Paradise is not like the alcoholic wine here, it does not have any of the negatives of alcohol.

Alcohol fogs the mind, it makes people lose their inhibitions and behave irrationally, they can become dangers to themselves and other people while they are drunk. While some people can moderate themselves, others can not. And the effects of alcohol abuse on society as a whole is a negative one.
 
im not trying to be picky here, but, if a person takes a drink from a glass of wine, its doubtful they will get tipsy on one, could they also be referring to the water as well?
 
I wonder if there is also cigarettes with no nicotine.

If there is chocolate that wasn’t fattening - well, that’d be bliss.
 
dolphinlove said:
Ive got a question for our Muslim friends on here…
If wine is forbidden in Islam, why then does it say you will have it in paradise(heaven)?
Sura 47:15
15] (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell forever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)

I was just reading through one of the other threads and found this interesting… Please enlighten me as to why you can have it in heaven and not on earth?
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Here are the verses in the Koran that deal with the consumption of alcoholic beverages:

Surah 2:219. They question thee about strong drink and games of chance. Say: In both is great sin, and (some) utility for men; but the sin of them is greater than their usefulness.

Surah 4:43 O ye who believe! Draw not near unto prayer when ye are drunken, till ye know that which ye utter, nor when ye are polluted, save when journeying upon the road, till ye have bathed.

Surah 5:90. O ye who believe! Strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only an infamy of Satan’s handiwork. Leave it aside in order that ye may succeed.

It was very difficult for the writers of the Koran to give consistent fatwas on strong drinks indeed!
 
Angelos said:
Here are the verses in the Koran that deal with the consumption of alcoholic beverages:

Surah 2:219. They question thee about strong drink and games of chance. Say: In both is great sin, and (some) utility for men; but the sin of them is greater than their usefulness.

Surah 5:90. O ye who believe! Strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only an infamy of Satan’s handiwork. Leave it aside in order that ye may succeed.

how can they both be true?
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Alcohol is a evil…

In the Uk it is truly sickening to see the alcoholism rampant in society…

The consumption of alcohol lessens a persons inhibitions and a person is unable to think with a clear mind, any action taken under the influence of alcohol cannot be blamed on alcohol itself, it is the person who chooses to drink…

In Islam anything which influences your thought, your conscience, takes an affect on you ability to think rationally like alcohol or drugs are forbidden…

They are forbidden period… even in small amounts.

Non-muslims should follow suit, alcohol has caused so much damage, more then drugs like cocain or heroine ever have…
 
Alcohol is definitely a real problem in society–what people do “under the influence” causes more harm and suffering possibly than anything else in at least American society. Drunk driving, domestic abuse, destruction of property and vandalism. People just do stupid stuff, and people get hurt because of it.

Wine is not allowed in Islam–but it was only progressively forbidden. This is one rule that was gradually implemented, because (according to 'Aisha) if it had been forbidden right at once, then the people wouldn’t have been able to accept it, and they would have left Islam.

That’s kind of like tuning a piano–if it hasn’t been tuned in a long time, you have to keep tuning it every couple days, then weeks, then months, and establish a regular pattern. But if you do it just once, it will go back to where it was.

So first alcohol was discouraged–people were told not to pray if they were drunk, and then eventually it was prohibited altogether. This is a kind of ‘abrogation’ in the Qur’an, where a later ruling sort of supercedes the previous ones, but in fact all the verses still apply. If someone comes into Islam who drinks regularly and has a hard time giving it up, for example, maybe they could follow that procedure–first, not pray while they’re drunk, and eventually stop altogether. This is because radical change is difficult to maintain.

The Qur’an does say there is SOME benefit in wine, or alcohol, but also says that there is HARM in it, and that in fact the harm is greater than the benefit.

And through analogy, any kind of wine or substance which can intoxicate a person is forbidden as well.

But in Paradise, there are things there which we can’t even imagine–and the only way we can attempt to grasp at understanding Paradise is through words, but really the words are the only resemblance to this life. We don’t know what Paradise will be like, so it’s not fair to make an analogy in that regard.
 
Rayaan said:
Alcohol is a evil…

In the Uk it is truly sickening to see the alcoholism rampant in society…

The consumption of alcohol lessens a persons inhibitions and a person is unable to think with a clear mind, any action taken under the influence of alcohol cannot be blamed on alcohol itself, it is the person who chooses to drink…

In Islam anything which influences your thought, your conscience, takes an affect on you ability to think rationally like alcohol or drugs are forbidden…

They are forbidden period… even in small amounts.

Non-muslims should follow suit, alcohol has caused so much damage, more then drugs like cocain or heroine ever have…
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What about (prescription) pain relievers like morphine or codeine? Or even anithistamines like Benadryl, for that matter, that can cause drowsiness (sometimes extreme, like in my case) and other cough and cold medicines? You obviously can’t do normal things (like driving, operating machinery, or sometimes even taking care of children) while taking them, but sometimes they are necessary, and it’s a bit extreme to say that such things are “forbidden period”. And alcohol, when consumed in moderation (i.e., stopping before you get tipsy), doesn’t even have those effects. I have issues when something that’s not inherently bad, and alcohol isn’t, otherwise Jesus wouldn’t have consumed it, and Paul wouldn’t have told Timothy to drink it for his stomach problems, is sweepingly forbidden for everyone, no exceptions. The Christian Fundamentalist shouldn’t do it, and neither should Muslims.

On a related note, anyone every notice that Orthodox Jews, the most “conservative” and “serious” Jews there are, who’ve been around longer than any Christians (especially Fundamentalists) and Muslims have no problem w/ alcohol, and you don’t see rampant alcoholism and alcohol related dysfunction widespread in the Jewish community. Hmmm. Perhaps it’s the attitude toward alcohol, and not the alcohol itself that’s the problem. “Forbidden fruit” is very tempting.

In Christ,

Ellen
 
Ellen, there is alcohol and narcotics and medicine, they are two different things.

I agree with you it is about intentions… but the mere fact that alcohol can be so destructive and the effect it has had on societies right across the world, should be enough fr you to realise its destructive influence.
 
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