Wine or Grape Juice.

[Rbt_Southwell]

That’s true. Why did they choose the Anglican Church?

The KJV came to the Colonies and was the de rigeur book (usually the ONLY book) in most frontier cabins.

Itinerant preachers thumped it around the boondocks, so it became ensconced in the American conscientiousness as THE ONLY WORD OF GOD, AMEN!

(Does ANYONE remember the first NEW version of Holy Scripture in American English???)

Fire and Brimstone coldhearts like Cotton Mather and authors such as Hawthorne gave it impetus into our popular culture.

Even movies made within the past decade have CATHOLIC priests (or former Priests) quoting the KJV of 1611 as if it were the Liturgical Bible for the Church.

Holy Moly!

Robert

 

[Huguenot]

Look at this thread, it’s getting ridiculous. Look

French Protestants use wine, even … the Baptists

 

[Righteousone]

Wine, wine, wine…whine:crying: whine :crying: whine :crying:

 

[Nan_S]

1. Israel has seasonal growing seasons with different crops ripening at different times of the year. The seasons are document in the Old Testament and are unchanged today. In Israel, grapes ripen and are harvested in September.
2. Ripe grapes do not stay fresh very long. The Jews of Jesus’ times found that refrigerators were a little difficult to buy. FedEx overnight delivery of fresh grapes from across the ocean was also too expensive for the typical Jewish carpenter. Fermentation, however, was both readily available and safe.
3. You can ask the mother of any 4-year-old what happens to room-temperature grape juice in only three days, when she discovers a glass that was hidden somewhere. What is that SMELL?
4. Passover and the Jesus’ Last Supper happens in the first month of the Jewish year, which by Mosaic law is the month which includes the First Day of Spring. This is six months after the grape harvest. If Jesus only drank “new wine” I wonder where He found the “new wine” for the Last Supper, since the only water-to-wine miracle recorded was at Cana…
5. Jewish law requires that each Sabbath celebration include the “fruit of the vine.” It doesn’t specify fermented or unfermented. However, Jewish law does require that the “fruit of the vine” be cut with water to make it safe for children to drink. Wine made by ancient Jewish methods had a high alcohol content.
6. Israel has a history of famines and crop failures recorded in the Bible. If you’re going to have the necessary “fruit of the vine” for Sabbath use during one of these bad years, you’d better have it safely stored somewhere. And, as stated above, the way to store it safely was to ferment it.

Theological arguments often don’t work with people who have theological blinders.
Arguments from practical reality, however, can leave them stunned.

 

[MrStain]

1. Israel has seasonal growing seasons with different crops ripening at different times of the year. The seasons are document in the Old Testament and are unchanged today. In Israel, grapes ripen and are harvested in September.
2. Ripe grapes do not stay fresh very long. The Jews of Jesus’ times found that refrigerators were a little difficult to buy. FedEx overnight delivery of fresh grapes from across the ocean was also too expensive for the typical Jewish carpenter. Fermentation, however, was both readily available and safe.
3. You can ask the mother of any 4-year-old what happens to room-temperature grape juice in only three days, when she discovers a glass that was hidden somewhere. What is that SMELL?
4. Passover and the Jesus’ Last Supper happens in the first month of the Jewish year, which by Mosaic law is the month which includes the First Day of Spring. This is six months after the grape harvest. If Jesus only drank “new wine” I wonder where He found the “new wine” for the Last Supper, since the only water-to-wine miracle recorded was at Cana…
5. Jewish law requires that each Sabbath celebration include the “fruit of the vine.” It doesn’t specify fermented or unfermented. However, Jewish law does require that the “fruit of the vine” be cut with water to make it safe for children to drink. Wine made by ancient Jewish methods had a high alcohol content.
6. Israel has a history of famines and crop failures recorded in the Bible. If you’re going to have the necessary “fruit of the vine” for Sabbath use during one of these bad years, you’d better have it safely stored somewhere. And, as stated above, the way to store it safely was to ferment it.

Theological arguments often don’t work with people who have theological blinders.
Arguments from practical reality, however, can leave them stunned.

Thanks for the info. I have never really thought about the seasonal aspect of it.