Wisconsin Appeals Court Upholds Sanctions Against Fired Pro-Life Pharmacist

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Yet the courts are imposing their immorality on the Pharmacist. I guess that is OK by your relativistic standards.
They are imposing nothing more upon the pharmacist than preventing an orthodox Jew or Muslim check-out clerk from removing the bacon and ham from your shopping cart before letting you leave the grocery store. The courts are not forcing the pharmacist to fill the prescription himself. But he cannot impose his beliefs upon the woman and steal her script thereby preventing her from taking it elsewhere.
 
Yet the courts are imposing their immorality on the Pharmacist. I guess that is OK by your relativistic standards. It is not by the truth of God’s law.
It is your opinion that contraception is immoral.

Furthermore I am anything but a moral relativist. Were I to have a daughter you’d do very well not to try and deny her her rights.
 
So, what you are saying is that infanticide (that is what abortion is) is OK because the courts say it is?
I said no such thing. You are speaking nonsense. If you wish to debate this issue, please stick to facts and points of law. I don’t care what you think, I care what you know, which in this case, is precious little.

Nohome
 
When that opposition takes the form of demonstrations and petitioning of one’s legislative representatives, you absolutely have a duty to “oppose” the government. God bless America as a place where we can do so. HOWEVER, when your “opposition” takes the form of an illegal act, the government must impose sanctions upon such individuals lest all our laws mean nothing.

This pharmacist’s religious freedom allowed him the right to refuse to fill the woman’s Rx. It did NOT allow him to deny her seeking it to be filled elsewhere. That act is tantamount to standing in the doorway to a sex ed class to prevent all the children from entering or patrolling the supermarket and pulling the bacon, ham, and pork chops from people’s shopping carts lest they eat of the unclean animal.

In short, you can practice your religion but you canNOT impose it upon others unless you want to open up a new branch of the Taliban.
People used to help slaves escape via the Underground Railroad. According to the laws at the time, those were illegal acts. I guess they should’ve been locked in jail with no hope for parole. :rolleyes:
 
People used to help slaves escape via the Underground Railroad. According to the laws at the time, those were illegal acts. I guess they should’ve been locked in jail with no hope for parole. :rolleyes:
Ah, so when I, however carefully, compare honor killings and refusal to dispense pharmaceuticals as examples of religion that cannot be accepted by the state I’m criticized.

However, it’s fair game to compare the refusal to dispense pharmaceuticals with the aiding of slaves in the civil war era.
 
Ah, so when I, however carefully, compare honor killings and refusal to dispense pharmaceuticals as examples of religion that cannot be accepted by the state I’m criticized.

However, it’s fair game to compare the refusal to dispense pharmaceuticals with the aiding of slaves in the civil war era.
They’re the same because they both involve moral acts…exercise of religion (those who free the slaves believing that slavery is immoral; pharmacist exercising his own religious beliefs).

People don’t give up their rights to their religious beliefs when they start a job. Not providing a certain contraceptive isn’t the end of the world.
 
People don’t give up their rights to their religious beliefs when they start a job.
They give up some of them, absolutely they do.

The example earlier, the man who would not drive an automobile lest it offend god. He is ineligible to become a delivery driver precisely due to his religion.
 
They give up some of them, absolutely they do.

The example earlier, the man who would not drive an automobile lest it offend god. He is ineligible to become a delivery driver precisely due to his religion.
The problem with that example is if he believes that, why would he want to become a driver.

On the other hand, a Catholic doesn’t have a problem with dispensing prescriptions for most medications. So the analogy doesn’t fit.
 
My point is that yes, the woman and the courts can say to a pharmacist that he does not determine who deserves their product and who doesn’t.
No one is doubting that the courts CAN say that. They obviously did say it. It’s a matter of historical record.

How does your statement pertain to the issue of the courts being just in their decision?
 
They’re the same because they both involve moral acts…exercise of religion (those who free the slaves believing that slavery is immoral; pharmacist exercising his own religious beliefs).
You are confusing morality with religion. To the extent possible, the State tries to codify morality up to the point of religiosity but not beyond. To go further would violate the First Amendment. Conversely, neither can the State allow anyone to exercise their religious freedom to the point that it imposes a religious belief upon another. To do so would constitute State supported religion which is to start a stroll down the path to the Taliban.
People don’t give up their rights to their religious beliefs when they start a job.
They do not give up THEIR rights to THEIR religious beliefs. However, neither do they acquire the right to impose their beliefs upon others. That is the issue here.
 
How does your statement pertain to the issue of the courts being just in their decision?
Being “just” in the context of the court system is matter of adhering to codified and case law. It would seem that many here would add a religious component to this adjudication. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution proscribes against this.
 
They do not give up THEIR rights to THEIR religious beliefs. However, neither do they acquire the right to impose their beliefs upon others. That is the issue here.
And they are not doing the same thing? Sorry, but the argument you are presenting shows the complete lack of logic that is so prevalent in the Secular Relativist. The government and courts are trying to force the pharmacist to be an accessory to murder. This immoral perverted act alone negates the authority of the court.
 
And they are not doing the same thing? Sorry, but the argument you are presenting shows the complete lack of logic that is so prevalent in the Secular Relativist. The government and courts are trying to force the pharmacist to be an accessory to murder.
In what way? The pharmacist is NOT forced to fill the order. But neither is he allowed to steal the script from the patient and not allow her to take it to another pharmacy. That is a direct violation of one of Big Ten.
This immoral perverted act alone negates the authority of the court.
That is a slippery slope you really do not want to go down. You are saying that the upholding of one law that you do not like means we need not obey any law adjuducated by the courts. You may not have meant to say that but that is the conclusion to be drawn from such silly, sweeping statements.
 
And they are not doing the same thing? Sorry, but the argument you are presenting shows the complete lack of logic that is so prevalent in the Secular Relativist. The government and courts are trying to force the pharmacist to be an accessory to murder. This immoral perverted act alone negates the authority of the court.
It is quite apparent from reading your posts that you would prefer a theocracy, that is a government that is subject to the laws of the Church. Very few share your views, including the founding fathers of this country.

Presently, birth control pills are very legal in the USA. This pharmacist is acting outside his rights by denying this woman access to them. I believe that even the presently seated Supreme Court would uphold this ruling.

Nohome
 
To the last two posts, I say: It’s their job.

Religious expression only goes so far. You cannot simply say “I don’t want to do this because it’s against my religion”.

There are of course valid examples of religious freedoms, such as holidays off, but not performing the job you are paid to do isn’t one of them.
I just had to say something about this particular post. At my company, you can simply say, “I don’t want to do this because it’s against my religion.” And if accommodation is not given, then the individuals responsible face serious consequences, including a complaint of harrassment, termination, a lawsuit, etc.

This is in the company policy book and I have observed numerous people exercise the “I don’t want to do this because it’s against my religion.” In fact, one of my Muslim associates falls into this category and I have to accommodate him daily.

This is why I am stuck in my current state of things: the prestigious school that wants me in their medical program with a scholarship requires at least a semester of abortion education (read: indoctrination) and, although it is not in stone, most likely when I am at the correct time to enter this program abortion procedure will be a requirement to graduate.

What this has to do with becoming a knowledgeable and capable doctor is beyond me, and “opting out” due to religious reasons, or even reasons of sanity, is prohibited.

I guess some fields in America are open to pasture and some are gated. Obviously the world of pharmaceuticals is closed. 🤷
 
The problem with that example is if he believes that, why would he want to become a driver.
That isn’t a problem, it’s precisely the point. If this man is not willing to fill the prescriptions of every customer then he has no place working as a pharmacist.
I just had to say something about this particular post. At my company, you can simply say, “I don’t want to do this because it’s against my religion.” And if accommodation is not given, then the individuals responsible face serious consequences, including a complaint of harrassment, termination, a lawsuit, etc.
And do any of those passes given to the religious at your work harmful to others? Does a woman miss an important pill that she took the time and effort to have prescribed to her because one of your coworkers doesn’t believe in it?

Stop putting this on the level of having off for Christmas or receiving a non-pork company lunch. It’s directly interfering in the rights of others and their doctors.
 
That isn’t a problem, it’s precisely the point. If this man is not willing to fill the prescriptions of every customer then he has no place working as a pharmacist.
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You hit that one squarely on the head!

Though I’d accommodate him and let him direct these customers to other pharmacists. If he refused to do that as well, he’d be canned in a New York minute.

Nohome
 
I just had to say something about this particular post. At my company, you can simply say, “I don’t want to do this because it’s against my religion.” And if accommodation is not given, then the individuals responsible face serious consequences, including a complaint of harrassment, termination, a lawsuit, etc.
By any chance is “your company” a retail pharmacy? If not, what exactly is your point?

Nohome
 
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