Wisconsin Recount Gets the Green Light

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I’m not sure if anybody has mentioned this, but the reason behind recount efforts could be simpler than you thought: Hillary’s gearing up for a 2020 run!!!

infowars.com/report-hillary-planning-yet-another-run-for-president-in-2020/

According to National Journal columnist Ron Fournier, Hillary’s involvement in Jill Stein’s widely derided recount is all part of the agenda.

“Raising doubts about legitimacy of election, even w/out overturning result, is part of Clinton’s plans to keep her options open for 2020,” tweets Fournier.

Another part of the strategy is the endless series of “random viral selfies” Clinton has taken with voters while walking in the woods. By portraying herself as a regular person, Hillary is attempting to eschew the reality that she is a completely out of touch elitist.

“This is also why she’s “randomly” appeared with so many Dem operatives/PR flacks in grocery stores and on hiking trails recently, btw,” tweetsSonny Bunch, editor of the Washington Free Beacon.

Indeed, many observers suggested that at least one of the encounters was totally staged for a public relations stunt.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I knew what you meant. The word choice was poor though…😉

You do know that these may be the best two to pick from right? That’s the risk of throwing your hand in and getting a whole new hand. You almost never get dealt a flush.
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If that’s the case then we Americans are REALLY stuck in deep doggy doo-doo! :eek:
 
queenofheartscv said:
I’m not sure if anybody has mentioned this, but the reason behind recount efforts could be simpler than you thought: Hillary’s gearing up for a 2020 run!!!

infowars.com/report-hillary-planning-yet-another-run-for-president-in-2020/

According to National Journal columnist Ron Fournier, Hillary’s involvement in Jill Stein’s widely derided recount is all part of the agenda.

“Raising doubts about legitimacy of election, even w/out overturning result, is part of Clinton’s plans to keep her options open for 2020,” tweets Fournier.

Another part of the strategy is the endless series of “random viral selfies” Clinton has taken with voters while walking in the woods. By portraying herself as a regular person, Hillary is attempting to eschew the reality that she is a completely out of touch elitist.

“This is also why she’s “randomly” appeared with so many Dem operatives/PR flacks in grocery stores and on hiking trails recently, btw,” tweetsSonny Bunch, editor of the Washington Free Beacon.

Indeed, many observers suggested that at least one of the encounters was totally staged for a public relations stunt.
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Offending close swing states is a horrible strategy…
 
queenofheartscv said:
I’m not sure if anybody has mentioned this, but the reason behind recount efforts could be simpler than you thought: Hillary’s gearing up for a 2020 run!!!

infowars.com/report-hillary-planning-yet-another-run-for-president-in-2020/

According to National Journal columnist Ron Fournier, Hillary’s involvement in Jill Stein’s widely derided recount is all part of the agenda.

“Raising doubts about legitimacy of election, even w/out overturning result, is part of Clinton’s plans to keep her options open for 2020,” tweets Fournier.

Another part of the strategy is the endless series of “random viral selfies” Clinton has taken with voters while walking in the woods. By portraying herself as a regular person, Hillary is attempting to eschew the reality that she is a completely out of touch elitist.

“This is also why she’s “randomly” appeared with so many Dem operatives/PR flacks in grocery stores and on hiking trails recently, btw,” tweetsSonny Bunch, editor of the Washington Free Beacon.

Indeed, many observers suggested that at least one of the encounters was totally staged for a public relations stunt.
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I think that’s another plausible scenario.
 
RosyAnne said:
Agreed that it is impossible to quantify the amount of votes involved, but I think it’s logical that the vote count was indeed affected. Was it by 1 vote? 10? 1,000? 1,000,000? As you say, it can only be speculated…but that doesn’t negate the validity of the concern.
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The concern can be validated only by demonstrating that there is a reasonable chance that a significant number of people were affected in the manner you propose. Otherwise it would be an irrational concern and should be treated as such. If you want to demonstrate that the concern is rational, you have to show it is based on a reasonable expectation of a significant effect. That requires evidence - not just speculation.
 
queenofheartscv said:
I’m not sure if anybody has mentioned this, but the reason behind recount efforts could be simpler than you thought: Hillary’s gearing up for a 2020 run!!!

infowars.com/report-hillary-planning-yet-another-run-for-president-in-2020/

According to National Journal columnist Ron Fournier, Hillary’s involvement in Jill Stein’s widely derided recount is all part of the agenda.

“Raising doubts about legitimacy of election, even w/out overturning result, is part of Clinton’s plans to keep her options open for 2020,” tweets Fournier.

Another part of the strategy is the endless series of “random viral selfies” Clinton has taken with voters while walking in the woods. By portraying herself as a regular person, Hillary is attempting to eschew the reality that she is a completely out of touch elitist.

“This is also why she’s “randomly” appeared with so many Dem operatives/PR flacks in grocery stores and on hiking trails recently, btw,” tweetsSonny Bunch, editor of the Washington Free Beacon.

Indeed, many observers suggested that at least one of the encounters was totally staged for a public relations stunt.
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Oh joy! :rolleyes:
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The concern can be validated only by demonstrating that there is a reasonable chance that a significant number of people were affected in the manner you propose. Otherwise it would be an irrational concern and should be treated as such. If you want to demonstrate that the concern is rational, you have to show it is based on a reasonable expectation of a significant effect. That requires evidence - not just speculation.
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Considering that it would be an impossible thing to prove, I stand by my statement that it is reasonable to be concerned that vote counts were affected…but will agree to disagree on this. 🙂
 
queenofheartscv said:
“Raising doubts about legitimacy of election, even w/out overturning result, is part of Clinton’s plans to keep her options open for 2020,” tweets Fournier.
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Wow. Raising doubts about the election, even before it was held was exactly what Trump was doing with his claims that the election was rigged if he loses. You can’t deride Clinton for raising doubts unless you also deride Trump for doing the same thing earlier.
Another part of the strategy is the endless series of “random viral selfies” Clinton has taken with voters while walking in the woods. By portraying herself as a regular person, Hillary is attempting to eschew the reality that she is a completely out of touch elitist.
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You can overlay her very ordinary life with all sorts of imagined plots, but it is still just your speculation.
“This is also why she’s “randomly” appeared with so many Dem operatives/PR flacks in grocery stores and on hiking trails recently, btw,” tweetsSonny Bunch, editor of the Washington Free Beacon.
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She has a lot of friends. Wouldn’t you like to go hiking with your friends?
Indeed, many observers suggested that at least one of the encounters was totally staged for a public relations stunt.
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Yes, lots of people suggest things. But are those suggestions anything more than a narrative they want to spin?
 
queenofheartscv said:
I’m not sure if anybody has mentioned this, but the reason behind recount efforts could be simpler than you thought: Hillary’s gearing up for a 2020 run!!!

infowars.com/report-hillary-planning-yet-another-run-for-president-in-2020/

According to National Journal columnist Ron Fournier, Hillary’s involvement in Jill Stein’s widely derided recount is all part of the agenda.

“Raising doubts about legitimacy of election, even w/out overturning result, is part of Clinton’s plans to keep her options open for 2020,” tweets Fournier.

Another part of the strategy is the endless series of “random viral selfies” Clinton has taken with voters while walking in the woods. By portraying herself as a regular person, Hillary is attempting to eschew the reality that she is a completely out of touch elitist.

“This is also why she’s “randomly” appeared with so many Dem operatives/PR flacks in grocery stores and on hiking trails recently, btw,” tweetsSonny Bunch, editor of the Washington Free Beacon.

Indeed, many observers suggested that at least one of the encounters was totally staged for a public relations stunt.
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The woman is delusional…:eek:
 
gilliam said:
Jill Stein didn’t win 1% of the vote. Why would she want a recount and why isn’t it Clinton asking for it then? Something smells about all this.
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Jill Stein has gotten more publicity for herself and the Green Party with this stunt - a “huuge” amount as Trump might say … Stein is gaining name recognition. More air time than her presidential run received by far.

Plus she is not only raising more funds then needed and probably more than they raised during the election or could have during this post election time - this is a boost to the Green Party Coffers… a shot in the arm for any struggling third part.

The Green Party and Stein are tracking the names and addresses of these Democratic donors - you can bet they will be hit up for donations in the future and some may continue to support the Green Party and future Green Party candidates … this is also a boost to the Green Party as their donor profiles and contact information can be sold to create funds - even if the donors fail to cough up funds in the future …

It’s a win-win … or as they say - its paying off now and will pay dividends in the future … especially among the millennials - who do not have strong ties to the Democratic Party - after all they chased after the longest serving Independent in the Senate who only ran as a Democrat because - unlike many who think political salvation and or cover is found in 3rd party votes - third party candidates have no chance to win the Presidential election …

Personally - I hope Stein is successful at reaping funds from the Democratic Party and getting millennials to go Green Party … splintering the Democrat Party can only be a good thing
👍 …

I am also certain that its not going to change the outcome of this election and give Hillary a win -

And Hillary showed her true colors and hypocrisy - the voters will remember what she said about “threats to democracy” …
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Wow. Raising doubts about the election, even before it was held was exactly what Trump was doing with his claims that the election was rigged if he loses. You can’t deride Clinton for raising doubts unless you also deride Trump for doing the same thing earlier.
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The fact that Trump makes comments about election fraud has nothing to do with whether or not Clinton is planning to use election fraud doubts to minimize the impact of her loss and to run again in 2020. :rolleyes:
 
YADA said:
Jill Stein has gotten more publicity for herself and the Green Party with this stunt…
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Dozens of prominent members of the Green Party are publicly distancing themselves from Dr. Stein and her recount efforts: flowersforsenate.org/greens_speak_out_recount. For reasons attested to in that open letter, and for other reasons as well, this “publicity” is doing nothing more than torpedoing any sort of credibility the Green Party might have once enjoyed.
 
LiamQ said:
The fact that Trump makes comments about election fraud has nothing to do with whether or not Clinton is planning to use election fraud doubts to minimize the impact of her loss and to run again in 2020. :rolleyes:
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There is no way, no way she could win the nomination of her own party, let alone do better in the general election against an incumbent trump who won’t be the boogie man they though he was going to be. Plus, any state accused of a fraudulent outcome will have a long memory for 2020.
Clinton is done.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The concern can be validated only by demonstrating that there is a reasonable chance that a significant number of people were affected in the manner you propose.
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There’s fewer barriers to voting than there are to entering this country illegally. It’s irrational to assume illegal aliens would go through the trouble of one without daring to attempt the other. Even if 100,000 out of the 11,500,000 illegals voted—less than 1%—their impact on US elections would be tremendous.
 
LiamQ said:
There’s fewer barriers to voting than there are to entering this country illegally. It’s irrational to assume illegal aliens would go through the trouble of one without daring to attempt the other. Even if 100,000 out of the 11,500,000 illegals voted—less than 1%—their impact on US elections would be tremendous.
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The illegal theory has been debunked by many, including Newt Gingrich.
 
ProVobis said:
The illegal theory has been debunked by many, including Newt Gingrich.
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There was study that came out in 2014 and among the highlights of the study were, ‘Non-citizen voting likely changed 2008 outcomes including Electoral College votes and the composition of Congress.’

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973

I don’t know if the study claims that millions of people vote illegally, but the study does claim that that there are people that non-citizens that vote, and that this has had an impact in the 2008 elections.

Regarding this Wisconsin recount:
Breaking: Judge says WI presidential recount does not have to be done by hand. Counties can determine method. #BreakingNews
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twitter.com/wsaw/status/803792199615991808
 
LiamQ said:
There’s fewer barriers to voting than there are to entering this country illegally.
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Apples and oranges. There are different kinds of barriers, that’s all. I should also note that there are fewer direct and immediate benefits from voting than from entering this country illegally, which argues against your point.
It’s irrational to assume illegal aliens would go through the trouble of one without daring to attempt the other.
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I just gave the rationale above. It has to do with the benefits. They get immediate benefit from entering the country. They may not get any benefit at all from voting. The lack of perceived benefit from voting is further demonstrated by huge numbers of qualified citizens who don’t bother to vote at all. (Talk about faulty logic…!)
Even if 100,000 out of the 11,500,000 illegals voted—less than 1%—their impact on US elections would be tremendous.
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You think you are being generous by assuming 1%. I think it is still too high. Perhaps 0.0001% would be closer to the truth. If you can guess, so can I.
 
LiamQ said:
The fact that Trump makes comments about election fraud has nothing to do with whether or not Clinton is planning to use election fraud doubts to minimize the impact of her loss and to run again in 2020.
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I thought Clinton was being criticized for the very fact of casting doubt on the validity of election. But apparently that is an OK thing to do and it was not a criticism of Clinton after all. It was just an observation of what her plans may or may not be. Got it. Never mind that she personally has not actually cast doubt on the validity of the outcome. Jill Stein might be, but any link between her recount efforts and Clinton is still speculation. I also think Clinton is done and has no intention of chasing this particular office.
 
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