Wisconsin Recount Gets the Green Light

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stinkcat_14 said:
Part of the problem is that the effect of borrowed money on economic growth is not a settled issue in economics. It can have a stimulative effect, but there is no guarantee that it will have a stimulative effect. For example, in the last year of the Bush administration they borrowed money to give everyone a tax rebate. Now there is a con if there ever was one, give people a tax rebate that their children will have to pay for. Show you how much we really care about our children. Anyway, the tax rebate had almost no effect on the economy because it was mostly used to pay off debt.
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Agreed, but the claim of those who recommend “stimulus money” is precisely in the name - stimulus.
 
LiamQ said:
Of all those areas, only LA and NYC make up Clinton’s popular vote lead. The rest are balanced out by areas that Trump won majorities in.

In terms of dismissing voters: politics needs to be at least 140,000,000 times less polemical, and the problem you outline is only the tip of the iceberg.
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No matter how you want to spin it, the facts are Trump won the EC and the Presidency. No one is disputing that. But it also can not be denied that 2.5 million more Americans voted for Hillary Clinton to be their next POTUS than did for Donald Trump. And where these 2.5 million Americans reside is inconsequential other than in terms of the EC. More Americans voted for Clinton. And they are no less Americans than those in states that went for Trump.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
As electoral votes go, it is not a small margin. But that is relevant for only one thing - determining the legal winner. There is no dispute about that. The dispute comes when someone claims that this election shows the people speaking loud and clear through this election. As you said, this is a nation divided. If the Trump supporters spoke loud and clear, the Clinton supporters also spoke loud and clear. All the more reason for the winners to take seriously the view of the losers going forward and look for common ground, rather than force a one-sided agenda under the mantle of a “mandate”.
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Exactly.
 
Sy_Noe said:
No matter how you want to spin it, the facts are Trump won the EC and the Presidency. No one is disputing that. But it also can not be denied that 2.5 million more Americans voted for Hillary Clinton to be their next POTUS than did for Donald Trump. And where these 2.5 million Americans reside is inconsequential other than in terms of the EC. More Americans voted for Clinton. And they are no less Americans than those in states that went for Trump.
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Around a forth of the country voted either one. So we can stop with the “majority” idea.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Around a forth of the country voted either one. So we can stop with the “majority” idea.
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In this election, neither one could have claimed much of a mandate, since few voted for either one for positive reasons. Many voted for either because the opponent was so bad.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
In this election, neither one could have claimed much of a mandate, since few voted for either one for positive reasons. Many voted for either because the opponent was so bad.
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:rolleyes:

And Obama got 90 percent of the AA vote…
 
stinkcat_14 said:
In this election, neither one could have claimed much of a mandate, since few voted for either one for positive reasons. Many voted for either because the opponent was so bad.
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Actually this election could be considered a vote ******against ******mandates; the HHS mandate, the Common Core mandate, etc
 
commenter said:
Actually this election could be considered a vote ******against ******mandates; the HHS mandate, the Common Core mandate, etc
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I have mixed feelings about that.

For example, Trump campaigned on no changes to Medicare. But those same voters voted in politicians who want to dismantle it or put it at risk. Inter alia.
 
ProVobis said:
Depends on how you look at the numbers.

Opinion: Here’s the verdict on that ‘terrible’ Obama economy

The Obama Economy
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.............Third-quarter 2008 	........Third-quarter 2016 .....	Verdict
Gross domestic product (2009 dollars) $14.892 trillion $16.713 trillion Up 12%
30-year mortgage loan rate 6.46% 3.54% Nearly halved
Nonfarm payrolls 136.3 million 145.0 million Up 8.7 million
Uninsured (health) 45 million 27 million Down 18 million
Exports (2009 dollars) $1.766 trillion $2.163 trillion Up 22%
Un- and under-employed rate (U6) 11.8% 9.5% Down 20%
Median household income $50,303 $57,929 Up 15%
Manufacturing output per worker (2009 dollars) $382,977 $436,776 Up 14%
Dow Jones Industrial Average 9,319 18,332 Nearly doubled
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:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Get real, please.

45 million on Food Stamps.

Friday jobs report:

118,000 part-time jobs … ONLY 9,000 full-time jobs.

30 hours per week capped.

Gallop unemployment >>> 9 1/2%

Shadow Stats unemployment >>> 22%

shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

home ownership >>> 50 year low WITH NEAR 0% INTEREST RATE

Economic growth for eight years: 1%.

The only reason why the Dow is high is because retirees who depend on high interest rate certificates of deposit have been forced to play the stock market to try to get corporate dividends instead of bank interest.

Possible second reason: European economic conditions are worse than here, so they are sending their money to the USA and buying American corporations’ stocks for some semblance of security. [They are also buying American real estate. Such as apartments built by developers such as Donald Trump.]
 
Monte_RCMS said:
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Get real, please.

45 million on Food Stamps.

Friday jobs report:

118,000 part-time jobs … ONLY 9,000 full-time jobs.

30 hours per week capped.

Gallop unemployment >>> 9 1/2%

Shadow Stats unemployment >>> 22%

shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

home ownership >>> 50 year low WITH NEAR 0% INTEREST RATE

Economic growth for eight years: 1%.

The only reason why the Dow is high is because retirees who depend on high interest rate certificates of deposit have been forced to play the stock market to try to get corporate dividends instead of bank interest.

Possible second reason: European economic conditions are worse than here, so they are sending their money to the USA and buying American corporations’ stocks for some semblance of security. [They are also buying American real estate. Such as apartments built by developers such as Donald Trump.]
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The main difference between your post and ProVobis’ is that yours is double-spaced, and makes its points with emoticons. Style over substance.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
The only reason why the Dow is high is because retirees who depend on high interest rate certificates of deposit have been forced to play the stock market to try to get corporate dividends instead of bank interest.
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I will have no problem if they raise interest rates to 5% or higher. Will you?
 
JonNC said:
Put it at risk?? It is already at risk.
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Next time they want to start a war, I suggest they impose a surtax to pay for it rather than dip into SS or Medicare funds. It really screws up the actuarial work done on it.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Possible second reason: European economic conditions are worse than here, so they are sending their money to the USA and buying American corporations’ stocks for some semblance of security. [They are also buying American real estate. Such as apartments built by developers such as Donald Trump.]
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Indeed they are.

Deutsche Bank is in crisis. It holds more than $300 million in Trump’s debt.

motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trumps-conflict-interest-big-overseas-bank-getting-worse-minute
 
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