Wisconsin Recount Gets the Green Light

[Jeanne_S]

Once they wear themselves down running their victory laps, they may find enough bluedog Democrats to replace them next two elections.

You hope,right? Lest you and all the other Dems supporters’ forget,HC was roundly rejected,either by clear thinking Dems who crossed party lines or by those who chose to stay home because not only was she a terribly flawed candidate,her policies were equally flawed.

 

[DeniseNY]

Yes it is a mandate. He won a large enough percentage of the vote to garner an electoral college win. This despite a media that billed him as a joke. His party retained both houses of which they were projected to lose one. The populist movement gripping Europe right now shows also a global mandate away fro. The globalism that Obama and the democrats embodied. The last two candidates for the republicans were more steady grounded candidates. They were beaten in landslides. To go from a landslide to losing a close election in four years is a mandate for change. Especially when the candidate that won was a lightning rod.

But please, I hope your side keeps turning a blind eye to this. Keep on pointing to the popular vote, to the policies and to the media. That will keep any strategic reform from happening. Move farther to the left, double down on global warming, immigration, and abortion. Oh pretty please!

The one thing is that if trump is a disaster. ( he won’t be) we will survive 4 years of an ego. We just survived 8. But at least the Supreme Court will affect the next generation of politics in a conservative, American way.

Just out if curriosity, if you were czar, what changes would you make to the democratic platform to position wins in the senate and presidency?

And just because I like how it sounds: Hillary Rodham Clinton will never be President of the United States.

 

[DeniseNY]

You hope,right? Lest you and all the other Dems supporters’ forget,HC was roundly rejected,either by clear thinking Dems who crossed party lines or by those who chose to stay home because not only was she a terribly flawed candidate,her policies were equally flawed.

And remember how so many people were gloating about how easily she would beat Trump?

 

[Jeanne_S]

And remember how so many people were gloating about how easily she would beat Trump?

Indeed I remember,funny how many of thos naysayers have gone into hiding…

 

[RosyAnne]

You seem to be missing the point if you think anyone is judging the outcome using the popular vote. I’ve seen no one, including myself, who is saying Donald J Trump did not win the EC based on the results of Nov 8 and therefore the Presidency. Despite perhaps a relatively few EC electors not voting with their states, Donald J Trump will be the next POTUS. You can take my word to the bank on that.

Just as equally true however is that a sizable 54% voted against him and Hillary Clinton won more votes of the American people than did President-elect Trump. And such numbers of Americans voting against the next POTUS simply does not translate into the mandate for him that some claim it does. It simply can’t be said when 54% of the American people who bothered to cast ballots, voted against Mr Trump, and the American people voted in greater numbers for Hillary Clinton than did for him, that somehow such numbers give the winner the mandate that some claim. To borrow your words, it’s nonsensical. But we could go round and round and never agree. So peace to you in this season of Advent and brightest blessings to you for a wonderful Christmas season.

I’ve shown why Popular Vote counts in this election are irrelevant, that’s all I can do. People are going to have to think this through. I feel it can be harmful to your country when some hold onto those numbers and use them as a weapon as if they mean something but we’ll just have to leave it at that and as you say, wish each other Merry Christmas

 

[ProVobis]

I’ve shown why Popular Vote counts in this election are irrelevant, that’s all I can do. People are going to have to think this through. I feel it can be harmful to your country when some hold onto those numbers and use them as a weapon as if they mean something …

Should they have stopped counting the votes as soon as one gets the projected 270 EV then? Why waste the time to keep counting the millions of absentee ballots if for some mysterious reason all of them come under CA, WA, and NY, and none come under WI? I have yet to hear an explanation for this heavily skewed number.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Should they have stopped counting the votes as soon as one gets the projected 270 EV then? Why waste the time to keep counting the millions of absentee ballots if for some mysterious reason all of them come under CA, WA, and NY, and none come under WI? I have yet to hear an explanation for this heavily skewed number.

I’ve heard there are Republicans in blue states who didn’t vote. But believe it or not, there are Democrats in TX, AL, MS, OK, KY, WV, KS, AK…

 

[ProVobis]

I’ve heard there are Republicans in blue states who didn’t vote. But believe it or not, there are Democrats in TX, AL, MS, OK, KY, WV, KS, AK…

I find both statements hard to believe.

 

[Suudy]

I’ve heard there are Republicans in blue states who didn’t vote. But believe it or not, there are Democrats in TX, AL, MS, OK, KY, WV, KS, AK…

Already pointed out. But I suspect the number of non-voting Republicans in blue states outweighs the number of non-voting Democrats in red states. Similarly, I suspect the number of 3rd party votes were similarly affected.

But since the popular vote doesn’t matter, we’ll never know.

 

[ProVobis]

Already pointed out. But I suspect the number of non-voting Republicans in blue states outweighs the number of non-voting Democrats in red states. Similarly, I suspect the number of 3rd party votes were similarly affected.

But since the popular vote doesn’t matter, we’ll never know.

I realize it’s just my opinion but somehow I just can’t picture a Republican not voting. But I’m going back to the primaries.

 

[M-Dent]

I realize it’s just my opinion but somehow I just can’t picture a Republican not voting. And I’m going back to the primaries.

I’m not sure if you base this on experience or speculation?

Yet, I live in a community with a fair amount of Republicans. The federal level primary and general election candidates did not generate much enthusiasm w/ GOP voters that I spoke with. The local house and governor was seen as important.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I realize it’s just my opinion but somehow I just can’t picture a Republican not voting. But I’m going back to the primaries.

I think that there is a stereotype that a republican is more patriotic than a democrat. I might even agree. (I actually do agree).
They tend to be more of the flag waving 'merica type.
But I don’t think that translates everyone voting. Especially in this election when the rep candidate was um…
Unconventional.
I know many friends who did not vote. They would be considered “conservative” on many social and economic issues. But they are not politically active.

I do think in swing states typical Union democrats ended up voting for trump. This is what the elitists in the DNC didn’t see coming.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

I’m not sure if you base this on experience or speculation?

Yet, I live in a community with a fair amount of Republicans. The federal level primary and general election candidates did not generate much enthusiasm w/ GOP voters that I spoke with. The local house and governor was seen as important.

I live in one of the reddest red states. Many people don’t vote for this simple reason. Our electoral votes will always and forever go to the rep. But it’s not as clear as one might think, since there are many more conservatives than liberals in my state the majority of those who don’t vote are republicans.

 

[M-Dent]

I live in one of the reddest red states. Many people don’t vote for this simple reason. Our electoral votes will always and forever go to the rep. But it’s not as clear as one might think, since there are many more conservatives than liberals in my state the majority of those who don’t vote are republicans.

Yes. Having a solid majority can increase political apathy.

 

[dvdjs]

You hope,right? Lest you and all the other Dems supporters’ forget,HC was roundly rejected,either by clear thinking Dems who crossed party lines or by those who chose to stay home because not only was she a terribly flawed candidate,her policies were equally flawed.

Roundly?

While her vote totals are currently a bit short of Obama’s in 2012, that gap is small (and contuining to narrow) compared to her margin over over Trump; in the end, it is likely to be ~10-fold smaller. She won more votes that any who has run for President apart from Obama. Trump’s electoral college win hinged on fewer than 100,000 votes - of ~130 million cast.

This is not a matter of being “roundly” rejected, nor can it honestly be considered a mandate.

 

[stevegravy]

Roundly?

While her vote totals are currently a bit short of Obama’s in 2012, that gap is small (and contuining to narrow) compared to her margin over over Trump; in the end, it is likely to be ~10-fold smaller. She won more votes that any who has run for President apart from Obama. Trump’s electoral college win hinged on fewer than 100,000 votes - of ~130 million cast.

This is not a matter of being “roundly” rejected, nor can it honestly be considered a mandate.

True, but she and her team still blew it. Cannot win the brass prize getting 10-1 votes margins in ghettoes and barrios and housing projects and college campuses where the snowflakes grow. Got to have a wider appeal than that.

 

[Jeanne_S]

True, but she and her team still blew it. Cannot win the brass prize getting 10-1 votes margins in ghettoes and barrios and housing projects and college campuses where the snowflakes grow. Got to have a wider appeal than that.

It is just such delicious and delightful justice.HC will never be the president.Thank you God!

 

[Suudy]

While her vote totals are currently a bit short of Obama’s in 2012, that gap is small (and contuining to narrow) compared to her margin over over Trump; in the end, it is likely to be ~10-fold smaller. She won more votes that any who has run for President apart from Obama. Trump’s electoral college win hinged on fewer than 100,000 votes - of ~130 million cast.

Who cares if she won more votes than Obama? She also won more votes than George Washington. Does that mean she’s more popular than Washington was?

 

[Suudy]

I realize it’s just my opinion but somehow I just can’t picture a Republican not voting. But I’m going back to the primaries.

As I posted before, I know several who refused to vote for president or senator at all, knowing the 3 big counties in WA would overwhelmingly go for the Democrats.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Who cares if she won more votes than Obama? She also won more votes than George Washington. Does that mean she’s more popular than Washington was?

The population of the US was much smaller in Washington’s day. The law and the electoral college say Trump won. We have to go along with it. But we don’t have to pretend the victory was any more than it was - a technical squeaker.