Wisconsin Recount Gets the Green Light

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SuperLuigi said:
Then the non-Trump folks need to accept that they lost and no recount or protest will change that.
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They are still counting the absentee votes and as long as she’s gaining there that will continue to make news, just like the weather report.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
As dvdjs pointed out, if fewer than 0.1% of the votes had changed for Clinton, the math shows she would have won. If that is not a technical squeaker, I don’t know what is.
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Yep, that definitely qualifies as a squeaker.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
IF she lost the catholic vote, which I still don’t think she did, (yes I saw the report that trump won the Catholic vote and I flat out don’t believe it) then abortion would have been the absolute deciding factor in losing that demographic.
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Are you sure it wasn’t the anti-catholic rhetoric, or the plans to infiltrate and undermine the Catholic Church emanating from Clinton operatives. ?
 
JonNC said:
Are you sure it wasn’t the anti-catholic rhetoric, or the plans to infiltrate and undermine the Catholic Church emanating from Clinton operatives. ?
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They never happened. Don’t you know? Anything that sheds bad light on liberals is just fake news Russian propoganda?
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Well, she was challenged. I’m not sure more than trump. I wonder if after a tone of reflection the DNC will rethink super delegates. Though I think Bernie would have been beaten worse. I think they ran thier toughest candidate. It played to a historical first in a time of inclusion and she had experience and savvy. Without super delegates I’m not sure sanders would have been seen as the direct challenger. But because he could play the “unfair” card he garnered a lot of support.

Hillary should have played the gender card. It would have worked.
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I think she would’ve if she knew it would work. But Trump was seen as so anti-woman (incorrectly so despite his rhetoric) it would be like squeezing blood from a turnip.

People are just sick to death of political correctness.
 
ProVobis said:
They are still counting the absentee votes and as long as she’s gaining there that will continue to make news, just like the weather report.
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They’ll drag this out as long as possible, but the left, especially the young left, doesn’t have the stomach for longevity, even against Trump.

Unsurprisingly, they have to pay many of these protesters and even gave goodies to Democrats to show up and vote for Clinton. That’s actually why I thought she would win–because that is a real ground game---- and Trump— I don’t know if he ever understood that crowds and ratings do NOT equal votes.

There will be a spike in opposition for Inauguration Day, but really, they can’t manufacture this forever. Their attention span is too short and Trump’s approval has increased by over 50%.

And remember, every dollar they waste on this is one dollar less for 2018 and 2020.
 
By the end of the day on Saturday, precincts that had reported 91.32% of the original vote totals have completed their recounts.
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The net change in ballot counts from the 91.32% votes from completed precincts: 1,480 added, which makes the change 0.0551% of the original count in those completed precincts. The change in vote totals for each candidate:
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Trump: +628
Clinton: +691
Stein: +68
Johnson: +76
With only eight percent of precincts left to report official recount results (including all of the city of Milwaukee), Jill Stein has only managed to reduce Trump’s lead by 63 votes. To change the outcome of the election, Wisconsin would have to find changes that would produce a 22,555-vote difference in the final 255,000 or so votes left to tally. That would require a change of 8.84% at a minimum — and every change would have to be in favor of Hillary Clinton. It’s not going to happen.
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hotair.com/archives/2016/12/12/wi-recount-an-exercise-in-manual-and-automated-futility/
 
JonNC said:
Are you sure it wasn’t the anti-catholic rhetoric, or the plans to infiltrate and undermine the Catholic Church emanating from Clinton operatives. ?
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I can’t believe you guys think that Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good are some sort of subversive organization that wants to destroy the Catholic Church. They were created after being motivated by Pope Francis. They still exist out in the open; You can take a look to see what they are up to. I see them support Pope Francis more than the conservative groups/people I follow. Yes they are political but I believe their purpose is to bring Catholic teaching into American politics so it’s not a surprise.

This was a con, pure and simple.

ETA: I’m not sure I’ve ever seen them say anything that respected groups like Franciscan Action Network say. I really don’t understand the controversy.
 
SuperLuigi said:
They’ll drag this out as long as possible, but the left, especially the young left, doesn’t have the stomach for longevity, even against Trump.

Unsurprisingly, they have to pay many of these protesters and even gave goodies to Democrats to show up and vote for Clinton. That’s actually why I thought she would win–because that is a real ground game---- and Trump— I don’t know if he ever understood that crowds and ratings do NOT equal votes.

There will be a spike in opposition for Inauguration Day, but really, they can’t manufacture this forever. Their attention span is too short and Trump’s approval has increased by over 50%.

And remember, every dollar they waste on this is one dollar less for 2018 and 2020.
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By law all votes must be counted. I presume both parties have the required representation.
 
meltzerboy said:
After the fact, we can say the recount was a waste of time. OTOH, even if it was found that Clinton had really won the electoral vote, then what? A do-over? That would cause more trouble and hostility than it is worth, and no way is it going to happen. The 2016 election is over; onto the next major political issue.
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If there is doubt, for example, if those absentees were thrown into the wrong state buckets, I can easily see a lot of ambiguity there, the electors should not vote for either Clinton or Trump, and throw the selection to the House.
 
J_Peterson said:
I can’t believe you guys think that Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good are some sort of subversive organization that wants to destroy the Catholic Church. They were created after being motivated by Pope Francis. They still exist out in the open; You can take a look to see what they are up to. I see them support Pope Francis more than the conservative groups/people I follow. Yes they are political but I believe their purpose is to bring Catholic teaching into American politics so it’s not a surprise.

This was a con, pure and simple.

ETA: I’m not sure I’ve ever seen them say anything that respected groups like Franciscan Action Network say. I really don’t understand the controversy.
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catholicleague.org/soros-funded-catholic-left-is-dishonest-2/ Soros funded Catholics

catholicworldreport.com/Item/5125/fake_catholic_groups_and_the_catholic_spring_emails.aspx Fake Groups
 
meltzerboy said:
After the fact, we can say the recount was a waste of time. OTOH, even if it was found that Clinton had really won the electoral vote, then what? A do-over? That would cause more trouble and hostility than it is worth, and no way is it going to happen. The 2016 election is over; onto the next major political issue.
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No one has officially won yet. That will be determined Dec. 19 when the ec casts its votes. If no one reaches 270 the president will be chosen by the HOR. There may be some surprises left in light of recent developments.
 
oldcelt said:
No one has officially won yet. That will be determined Dec. 19 when the ec casts its votes. If no one reaches 270 the president will be chosen by the HOR. There may be some surprises left in light of recent developments.
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Thank you for the technical information. But don’t you think such an event would tear the country apart even further? Sometimes I think it’s better to leave well enough alone and move on. I think of Ford’s pardon of Nixon, for example.
 
oldcelt said:
No one has officially won yet. That will be determined Dec. 19 when the ec casts its votes. If no one reaches 270 the president will be chosen by the HOR. There may be some surprises left in light of recent developments.
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Anyone from the EC who goes against their pledge to support a particular candidate,will basically be thumbing thier noses at the very people they pledged to represent.Esentially saying their votes don’t count,that only the EC matters.If that should happen there will be a lot of very angry and justifyibly so ,citizens.:mad:
 
Jeanne_S said:
Anyone from the EC who goes against their pledge to support a particular candidate,will basically be thumbing thier noses at the very people they pledged to represent.Esentially saying their votes don’t count,that only the EC matters.If that should happen there will be a lot of very angry and justifyibly so ,citizens.:mad:
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It also sets a precedent for other people to break their pledges, “for a higher purpose”. Think about witnesses and jurors, and others. Once you get away from the concept of pledging you can rationalize almost anything.
 
The state of Wisconsin has released the** final **worksheet from the recount tallies. The final numbers are:

Total votes: 2,941,034 (+1,741 from Election Night, 0.0592% change rate)
Final Trump lead: 22,779 (+162 from Election Night)
Trump added votes in recount: 874
Clinton added votes in recount: 712
Stein added votes in recount: 66
Johnson added votes in recount: 74
 
Jeanne_S said:
Anyone from the EC who goes against their pledge to support a particular candidate,will basically be thumbing thier noses at the very people they pledged to represent.Esentially saying their votes don’t count,that only the EC matters.If that should happen there will be a lot of very angry and justifyibly so ,citizens.:mad:
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The ability to freely exercise one’s conscience was and is the intent of the electoral college. I would prefer it be abolished or that state electors be apportioned rather than winner take all. For now we have a system that could deny Trump the WH. 37 non or switched votes and it goes to the house.

Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion. Edmund Burke
Read more at: brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/edmundburk166515.html
 
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