Wisconsin Ruling Allows Mail-in Ballots to Be Counted Without ‘Definitive’ Postmarks

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Continually moving the goalposts now we are seeing postmark rules disappear too.

Truely setting up a disaster rule-less free-for-all scenario.

When this plays out, remember, many of the conservatives saw this long before the election ever took place.

Covfefe.

Democrats cannot win based upon ideas so we would expect shenanigans like this only if they were willing to sacrifice the country’s election integrity for power.

Trump is going to have to win by an absolute landslide to even marginally win.

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Wisconsin Ruling Allows Mail-in Ballots to Be Counted Without ‘Definitive’ Postmarks​

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A ruling Monday by a federal judge in Wisconsin that would extend the counting of mail-in ballots six days beyond Election Day would also allow those ballots to be counted even if there is no “definitive” sign of a postmark.

U.S. District Judge William Conley of the Western District of Wisconsin — an appointee of President Barack Obama — ruled that absentee ballots in the state can be counted until Nov. 9 as long as they are postmarked by Election Day, Nov. 3. He cited the state’s difficult experience in the recent primary election, as well as projected difficulties with the U.S. Post Office as it handles an unprecedented number of mailed-in ballots.

In a footnote, Conley added:
Given the political deadlock among WEC Commissioners and the apparent lack of state law guidance on this subject — as well as the fact that this postmark requirement is federally mandated and the apparent importance of equal treatment of ballots after Bush v. Gore , 531 U.S. 98 (2000) — it is this court’s view that local election officials should generally err toward counting otherwise legitimate absentee ballots lacking a definitive postmark if received by mail after election day but no later than November 9, 2020, as long as the ballot is signed and witnessed on or before November 3, 2020, unless there is some reason to believe that the ballot was actually placed in the mail after election day.
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That echoes last week’s ruling by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, which ruled that mailed-in ballots should be counted up to three days after Election Day even if they did not have a postmark. . . .
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Voters who are concerned about having their votes counted should do the research for their own state: there will be secure ways to vote that do not involve the USPS or unsecured drop boxes. Neither one of these should be trusted. Drop one’s ballot off at the county elections office. Drop it off at the polling booth. Drop it off at a secured drop box. Earlier is better than later. There will be something in one’s county. Find it and let everyone around you know.
 
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ProVobis . . .
Again, why should the mailer be penalized for post office screwups?
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Right.

Just keep the mailings open indefinitely right ProVobis?

A year later when the Democrats happen to find some new votes (like they did days later for Al Franken after Norm Coleman won the MN Senate seat), why not just keep adding in those votes even a YEAR LATER?? Why not?

(The reason is, these “deadlines” were determined to be reasonable and appropriate.
But evidently they are NOT now reasonable and appropriate anymore.
And the voters have a right to know who won the elections soon.

But none of that matters when leftist shenanigans like this is employed.

So when Trump wins, the leftists can continue to psychologically project against Trump again and dream up more fanciful conspiracy theories like the
ridiculous Trump-Russian-Collusion narrative
while again ignoring real problems
like the Uranium One scandal and the Clinton “non-profit” which was almost certainly set-up to give Hillary a huge financial advantage over whoever her 2016 opponent would be, but the courts buggered it up, by overturning McCain-Feingold. But the Clintons could continue to milk the cash cow anyway for personal gain instead of election gain).
 
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Like Hugh Hewitt says,” If it isn’t close,they can’t cheat”
 
It’s the administration that caused all the uproar about whether the Post Office can process the ballots in time. They made their bed.
 
Service levels at the Post Office have been declining since long before Trump. But Orange Man Bad. Got it.

I can remember when most first class letters mailed from 60 miles away were delivered the next working day. But over the years starting long before Trump, the USPS lowered their standards for next day delivery of first class mail, shrinking considerably the next day delivery zone. This month, I had to have a check mailed to me from 60 miles away and it took three days to get here.

The USPS doesn’t deal with the volume of mail for tax returns as it used to because a lot of people are filing electronically today. But we’re expecting them to magically handle a couple hundred million mailings. Ballots being sent out … and then ballots being returned. Mostly at the last minute.

This extension of the postmark is extremely rife with potential for cheating. All they have to do is see the results on election night and then they know how much cheating they need.
 
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It’s up to the courts to establish rules before the election. The courts are using the evidence put forth by the administration, which is mostly that they cannot competently do their jobs, so lax rules will be needed. If Trump’s administration ran the Post Office competently, some of this wouldn’t be needed.
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Another example of Orange Man Bad reasoning.

The problems with the USPS long predate the current Administration. But suddenly they all belong to Trump?
 
More fake news …or outright falsehoods…
 
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Hopefully, Wisconsin will know who won the election by a week after election day.
 
I hope so, but I’ve heard that some jurisdictions are allowing up to two weeks after election day to count mail in ballots. If there are a lot, there could be a delay.
 
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I hope so, but I’ve heard that some jurisdictions are allowing up to two weeks after election day to count mail in ballots. If there are a lot, there could be a delay.
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And Trump’s head will explode.
 
So, here we are.

Trump is afraid of losing, so he is doing everything he can to cast doubt on the results. He even refuses to commit to leaving if he loses!

As part of this, he has, for some reason, latched on to the idea that, in the middle of a pandemic that he mismanaged greatly, absentee voting should not be curtailed and mail-in voting shouldn’t be allowed.

His thinking, which he said out loud, is that if there is widespread voting, great turnout through all the modes (in person, early, mail in), he will lose because he is unpopular.

So, he casts doubt on the process.

Please, people, don’t fall for this.
 
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Again more projection.Its the Dems who don’t have a platform and a weak candidate to boot.They are the ones afraid of losing.Therefore they want
to muddy the election results so as not to have a clear winner,thus their outrage over a SCOTUS nomination as well.
 
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Mailers are often penalized in many ways when a mistake is made. Ideally, mail-in ballots ought to be a rarity, and should have a very early deadline, like at least two weeks before an election. I guess there could be a system whereby they are numbered and a person can make sure they are received. There are so many ways to run a safe election without all this mail in stuff, and it is problematic. I think it will bite us in November, and possibly in all of 2021, as it could cause strife and bloodshed.

I would say a better solution would either be have all ballots manually dropped off, or picked up, except those for whom this is impossible.
 
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Democrats saying you can’t trust the police. Republicans saying you can’t trust the courts decisions or USPS. I’d say they have successfully divided the nation.
 
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I remember the 2008 senate race in Minnesota between Norm Colemen and Al Franken. When the initial count was completed, Franken was trailing Coleman by 215 votes. The close margin triggered a mandatory recount. After reviewing ballots that had been challenged during the recount and counting 953 previously rejected absentee ballots, the State Canvassing Board officially certified the recount results with Franken holding a 225-vote lead.
 
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