Wise words from Cardinal Muller

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The same could be said for Pope Francis. He most certainly could choose his words more carefully.
 
Morlino spoke American English and is speaking to other Americans in this letter.
Any time we hear something that the Pope said it has been run through at least one translation, if not many, before it comes in English.
 
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Cdl. Muller isn’t wrong, but he is confused. No one has a “right”, but everyone is “free” to demand a pope’s resignation.
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Maybe I need to reread his statement, but I don’t think AB Vigano was actually demanding that the pope resign. He made a conditional statement. If the accusations are true then the pope should resign. That places the ball back in the pope’s/Church’s court to pursue the truth. That is different than saying that the pope must resign now.
 
Not really. I have heard some things he had said while speaking Spanish (I speak Spanish) that are just as confusing. Some people just are not good speakers.
 
I see what you mean----while most of the Bishops that have spoken out against Vigano’s call for the Pope’s resignation and his criticism of handling of Church matters are Bishops that are normally “called out” on sources like LifeSite etc as being “liberals” or “heterodox”. People like Cardinal Cupich or Bishop McElroy of San Diego.

“Allies” of the Pope. (as if being on the same side of the Pope on a given issue was a bad thing in the Catholic Church) :roll_eyes:

However, Cardinal Muller was the head of the CDF, and is largely admired by the Traditionalist movement—no one accuses him of being anything but solidly orthodox. His comments in this interview sound very similar to the kind of comments that are usually mocked on LifeSite when they are said by other Bishops.
 
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It is vile, over simplifies a very complex issue and lacks any compassion or sense of pastoral nature.
 
Exactly!!! Give this person a prize!

I shouldn’t be surprised that most here on CAF can’t see that.
 
It is not the message that is the problem, it is the way in which it was delivered.
I am sorry that you can’t see that.
 
The problem here is, if one is intellectually honest, that if ANYBODY else had done many of the things that the pope has done with regard to the sexual abuse crisis, whether a corporate president and CEO or bishop of a diocese, everyone would rightfully call for their head to roll. So, to say that the pope is beyond criticism is the epitome of the clericalism that the pope himself condemns.
 
Cdl. Muller’s interview seems like a deliberate attempt to come out in support of Pope Francis and the Church as a whole after earlier interviews seemed critical of the hierarchy’s effort to combat the homosexual problems within. This makes me wonder if Cdl. Muller is being threatened or coerced into coming onboard with those whom Viganò named as problematic.

Several of his statements seem very troubling. Such as
One way the abuse crisis unfolding in the United States could be handled, for example, he said, would be for the pope to create a commission of cardinals he trusts to study the situation and then offer proposals based on “solid information.”
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Well if men like Cupich are appointed to this so called “commission” then it loses all credibility. There are serious issues that need to be addressed and Pope Francis, along with many members of the clergy here in the US have handled this situation poorly and it doesn’t appear that they will fix this come February.
 
So now Muller is part of a conspiracy?
Thank you very much for proving my point.
 
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I didn’t say that. I said his earlier remarks were openly critical of the hierarchy and its failures to stop men like McCarrick and the homosexual problems. Now his remarks seem to be pushing for a Pope Francis appointed commission of cardinals to help come up with solutions?!?! Seems odd to me!

How could one not look at his recent interview and start asking questions? Given the level of collusion and corruption, it’s not so far fetched to wonder if pressure was applied to Cdl Muller to show more support for the pontiff.
 
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One way the abuse crisis unfolding in the United States could be handled, for example, he said, would be for the pope to create a commission of cardinals he trusts to study the situation and then offer proposals based on “solid information.”
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The problem with this is the people with whom Pope Francis has surrounded himself. Just look at all the bad decisions Pope Francis has already made, either on his own or through poor advice of others. For example:

Pope Francis overruled advice given to him by the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith about two priests - lessening their ‘penalty’ allowing them to be punished by a lifetime of prayer. One of them being the notorious Fr. Mauro Inzoli. Pope Benedict defrocked Fr. Inzoli in 2012 for molesting little boys in the confessional. Yet, when Pope Francis came into office, he reinstated him to the priesthood and withheld evidence from the Italian authorities during the criminal investigation into his atrocities. Pope Francis only reversed course and defrocked him again later after the courts sentenced him (also, new allegations have been forthcoming).

Cardinal Godfried Danneels was caught on tape instructing an abuse victim to keep silent and instead blame himself for the abuse (not to mention his advocacy of other heterodox and immoral views), yet Pope Francis handpicked Danneels to participate in the Synod on the Family.

Pope Francis rejected and ignored numerous pleas for years regarding the inappropriateness of naming Bishop Barros to a Chilean diocese. When confronted with this while himself in Chile, he called the accusers liars guilty of slander or calumny. He only reversed course later apologizing for his grave error in judgment (due to not having all the information).

Monsignor Battista Ricca was handpicked by Pope Francis as head of household; Ricca is a walking advertisement for all that is perverse in the so-called, “gay lobby.”

Pope Francis selected Fr. James Martin, who openly advocates the normalization of the gay lifestyle and wants the Catechism changed in this regard, to a communications post within the Vatican.

Pope Francis has made many extremely poor choices for various other Vatican positions, Pontifical Academy for Life, etc., etc., etc.
 
In Cardinal Mueller’s defense, he did say in the same interview that “to represent the teaching of the Catholic Faith, and not to justify the different private opinions of a Pope. His authority is extended over the revealed Faith of the Catholic Church and not over the individual theological opinions of himself or those of his advisers.”

Cdl. Mueller also said, “it is irritating that theologically uneducated people are being promoted to the rank of bishops who, in turn, think that they have to thank the Pope for it by means of a childish submission.”

And Cdl. Mueller said that if a priest “calls the blessing of homosexual relationships the result of a further development of doctrine … it is nothing but the presence of atheism in Christianity. He does not theoretically deny the existence of God, but, rather, he denies Him as the source of morality by presenting that which is before God a sin as a blessing.”

Good stuff there.
 
I learn from the Pope and what he says. I don’t criticize it.
 
Change the word demand to accept and you have a huge problem. And if no one has the authority to demand it how can one have the authority to accept it? I think one can " demand" whatever they wish. But implementing that no one has the power to do except the Pope.
 
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