Wishing to be Protestant again...

[KathleenGee]

Alot of the abusers finished seminary around 1970. And alot of the rest of the abuse happened in Pre Vatican II Church…

People have to realize that we truly have a universal church. And that goes down to the parish level.

My pastor told us a Protestant minister came to observe our Mass. My pastor said the Lutherans tend to be very similiar among each other in their parishes…The minister was impressed by the amount of diversity in ours. We had old and young, families, singles, different cultures and backgrounds, races…

If we are not happy in our parish, we join another. But we stay Catholic.

And my pastor said, on top of the obvious observation, he said in any given parish you also have so many different opinions and faith levels.

You have to be in a parish you can have peace in. That is what it gets down to in where we are right at the present time.

And once you find the parish you can have peace in, you then have to embrace charity. The Vatican Council documents state that we Catholics have the hardest judgments. No matter we follow all the Church laws and regulations, if we do not have charity in our hearts for one another, not only will we be condemned, we will that more severely judged.

Love covers our sins, and we must always work to be more charitable…

 

[TrixRN]

…once you find the parish you can have peace in, you then have to embrace charity. The Vatican Council documents state that we Catholics have the hardest judgments. No matter we follow all the Church laws and regulations, if we do not have charity in our hearts for one another, not only will we be condemned, we will that more severely judged.

Love covers our sins, and we must always work to be more charitable…

Thank you for the plea to charity. Even on these forums I find very little charity… i look and look. I find lots of anger and false pride and lack of respect for and obedience to the magisterium. As a 40+ yr Protestant Christian I’ve been taking RCIA. I’ve fallen in love with the Catholic faith. Why must so many complain complain re Vatican II? Or about the Pope? I know people are people every where but I would expect christians to act with more charity toward church leaders.

 

[KathleenGee]

The focus of the Mass is Jesus Christ…and our communion with Him.

 

[Jerry_Parker]

Trixie,

**You wrote: ** Thank you for the plea to charity. Even on these forums I find very little charity—. I look and look. I find lots of anger and false pride and lack of respect for and obedience to the magisterium. As a 40+ year Protestant Christian I’ve been taking RCIA. I’ve fallen in love with the Catholic faith. Why must so many complain complain re. Vatican II? Or about the Pope? I know people are people every where but I would expect christians to act with more charity toward church leaders.​

Well taken, Trixie! I do think that there is room for criticism, but it should not be unduly harsh and certainly not presumptuous. I came across an acidly critical WWW site, of the “Sedevacantist” Most Holy Family Monastery, which really shocked me. There is on this site a criticism and refutation of the extraordinary “Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification [of] the Lutheran World Federation and the Roman Catholic Church” which simply is wrong-headed and unduly severe in the extreme, surely from taking too narrow a view of what the Council of Trent (from my own reading of the Tridentine documents, and surely the Vatican’s view, too) really meant, which takes some largeness of view of which those monks seem to be incapable.

I can tell you that it was coming to grips with the collective genius-level Joint Catholic-Lutheran Declaration that “cinched” things in leading me to come back to the Catholic Church, from Lutheranism itself! If the Joint Declaration be wrong (as those monks wrongly and arrogantly think), then Catholicism itself would seem to have been on the wrong track for a lot longer time than simply that which has elapsed since the Second Vatican Council! Sheesh! Anyway, that is just an example, but a significant one, I would say.

Pax, Jerry Parker

 

[Cinette]

I can understand what you’re saying. I was never Protestant but I was raised Catholic and about the age of 10 started to extremely dislike church because it was boring and I couldn’t concentrate on the mass at hand because it was boring. When I was 13 or 14, I stopped going to church and outside of being to church once and awhile (I’ve been about 3 times since) I don’t go to church. The last time I went to a service was on Friday and it was a monastery and it was the Vespers service. If churches for the public held services that resembled the services at monasteries then people would be more willing to go, your kids might even be more willing to go.

You can also check and see if there’s a monastery in your area that lets the public come to its services and you can always go there for your mass.

You could also try and created some groups through your church to help with fellowship.

*I have only just begun to read through this thread and find the topic interesting and important.

The poster #5 I found had a a point also (can’t remember his nom de plume). I place more emphasis on worship than fellowship but the latter is also very important. Looking forward to reading the rest of the thread.

I wanted to comment on this posting about finding the Mass boring. This is something which tells me that the poster just doesn’t get it. Only a person who has really no idea what the Faith is all about can say that. Anyone who loves the Word of God and the Eucharist will find the Mass meeting expectations. I go to hear the liturgy of the Word - yes sometimes the homily may not satisfy but that is not a train smash. The Eucharist is what gives me more than I can hope for.

I am a revert to the Catholic Church and I find the Church extremely interesting and exciting. Reading books on the Faith, History and Apologetics is wonderful. My husband is currently reading two versions of the Koran side by side (one version was made for “Western consumption” and the other is closer to the Koran although I understand to really be able to read and understand the Koran one must know Arabic). This makes us see just how wonderful Christianity is and how we have a loving and merciful God. A library at the Parish would be a great idea. An apologetics class also.

My son married an ex-Catholic and he converted to Christianity (he was never baptised). Since then they have gone from one Christian group to Baptist church, Church of England (not the Anglican kind) and various other flavours - reasons are that the church may be closer to the house, youth groups, friends recommended this one etc etc. Hmmm…

I guess I prefer to stay where I am. I attend two parishes - one on Sunday (Jesuits - they also have very interesting talks and discussions, visiting clergy who give talks and conduct debates) and the other parish during the week (closer to our home). I do believe that youth groups are wonderful and I pray they happen.

Cinette *

 

[Protestant101]

*I am a revert to the Catholic Church and I find the Church extremely interesting and exciting. Reading books on the Faith, History and Apologetics is wonderful. My husband is currently reading two versions of the Koran side by side (one version was made for “Western consumption” and the other is closer to the Koran although I understand to really be able to read and understand the Koran one must know Arabic). This makes us see just how wonderful Christianity is and how we have a loving and merciful God. **Cinette *

Howdy Cinette! Long time no see… May I just ask you to please explain what the Koran has to do with Christianity, and the subject at hand? I am trying to decipher your intended context there and can’t. I KNOW you can help me out!!

 

[Cinette]

Howdy Cinette! Long time no see… May I just ask you to please explain what the Koran has to do with Christianity, and the subject at hand? I am trying to decipher your intended context there and can’t. I KNOW you can help me out!!

*Hello Sweetheart!

Even while I was writing it I knew I was off track. I guess I mentioned it because my husband has been reading to me verses from the Koran… It is in stark contrast to our Bible. Silly of me to bring it up here.

I have only read 5 or 6 postings and do not qualify to enter into the discussion at this stage.

I just had to make a comment about Mass being boring. I hate people to say that. People who are bored are just boring themselves. Some people go to Church because they want to be entertained and that is a fact. I have heard some Protestants talk and that is the impression they give. I am sure Catholics do the same.

So I shall go back and read more and whenever someone tickles me I will respond.

Nice to communicate with my favourite Protestant again.

Cinette*

 

[Cinette]

I understand the provocative title of your post and see it as a sincere frustration that you need more from your church on a social level than on a theological level. The comparison you make between your present church/religion and previous church/religion seems analogous to businesses I’ve worked for. One was a multi-national corporation with more than 400,000 employees worldwide and the other was a small business with fewer than 50 employees who lived within a 25 mile radius. In some ways they were not unlike various churches I’ve attended.

The corporation kept me busy pretty much 24/7. It was expected that after the 8-12 hour work day, not including business travel, employees would attend professional courses and social events, take work home, receive calls after hours, and pretty much say yes to whatever might further the corporation–the Team. Employees were mostly involved with those similar to themselves in profession or area of expertise inside and outside of work, often to the exclusion of someone not within the business.

The small company was intense in spurts when meeting customer orders, but much less so when not driven by a somewhat seasonal schedule. Because of the nature of the business, it would be unusual for an employee to take work home. There were few professional meetings, events, or social activities scheduled outside of normal work hours, except for an ocassional dinner or get together. Socialization was friendly, but individually selective, more personality centered than business centered. At the end of most days the employees’ lives were somewhere other than the business.

Both businesses had goals that were similar, although on a hugely different scale. One had a more all encompassing view of its employees, while the other was more laissez faire. I find my own expectations were very different while I worked for each business. One WAS my lilfe and the other was PART of my life. One wasn’t necessarily better or worse than the other, but was what I needed or maybe what I wanted for myself at that time in my life. It would have been unrealistic to expect either business to meet all of my personal needs.

As you said, your subject is very provocative, but do you really wish to be Protestant again? Do you really wish to abandon your Catholic faith to fulfill needs that are, by your own description, current and changing?

*I like this post!

As I read on the word COMMUNITY comes to mind. That is what we all need. Sometimes it can happen in the Parish, sometimes at the local club, sometimes in the suburb… We all need community to support one another. Some call it fellowship but it is really community we need. I would not trade my Church for having fun in another because I want to belong to a community. It is unnecessary.

 

[Cinette]

Many Anglicans and Orthodox already feel they have both. From a Catholic perspective the Eucharist is invalid in the AC, but Anglicans feel quite different. The Old Catholic Utrecht “Dutch Touch” consecrations reinfused valid apostolic lines into the Anglican apostolic succession; Anglicans believe they have a valid Eucharist. So do the Orthodox. They both have outstanding fellowship and usually great pastoral care as well. They don’t see it as an either-or.

*You should join either-or because you also have lots of theological problems. So, unless you decide to study and learn about the teachings of the Catholic Church there is no point staying is there?

Cinette*

 

[KathleenGee]

Thank you, Cinette…

Over the past weekend, I was sharing on a different post that during my freetime I came across a book written by a Protestant who was giving a factual presentation of the mainline Christian denominations…I held my breath.

When I came to Roman Catholicism, the author had to admit that the church went all the way back to Apostolic times and it was impossible for him to fully explain its impact on the world…of course, he went into the corruption during the Middle Ages, which dwells on a certain region in Europe that does not reflect on the church in the rest of the world.

The author did indeed do an honest evaluation, and I was impressed. I went to my Breviary after that, and came across more ancient documents professing faith in the Breaking of Bread, the sacred meal of Our Lord’s flesh.

I am very leery of these break away traditionalist groups in the Catholic church as they are not based on the inner reality of the saving and redeeming work of Jesus Christ in our souls, and have some of the same issues with ethnic prejudices. My daughter and her friends went to a liturgy at one of those churches with their friend who goes there. One of the girls whispered at Mass as to where was the bathroom and the woman behind her slapped her on the back of the head.

 

[Cinette]

Thank you, Cinette…

Over the past weekend, I was sharing on a different post that during my freetime I came across a book written by a Protestant who was giving a factual presentation of the mainline Christian denominations…I held my breath.

When I came to Roman Catholicism, the author had to admit that the church went all the way back to Apostolic times and it was impossible for him to fully explain its impact on the world…of course, he went into the corruption during the Middle Ages, which dwells on a certain region in Europe that does not reflect on the church in the rest of the world.

The author did indeed do an honest evaluation, and I was impressed. I went to my Breviary after that, and came across more ancient documents professing faith in the Breaking of Bread, the sacred meal of Our Lord’s flesh.

I am very leery of these break away traditionalist groups in the Catholic church as they are not based on the inner reality of the saving and redeeming work of Jesus Christ in our souls, and have some of the same issues with ethnic prejudices. My daughter and her friends went to a liturgy at one of those churches with their friend who goes there. One of the girls whispered at Mass as to where was the bathroom and the woman behind her slapped her on the back of the head.

*How awful!

Not long ago my husband and I were at Mass and the priest said something during the homily and I really can’t remember what it was but I know that he quoted something incorrectly and I turned to my husband and whispered the correct verse. I am not very au fait with the Bible as other people but I knew I was right on this occasion. A man in his mid 30s who was sitting in front of me turned around and told me to Shhhh with his finger on his lips. For a split second I felt annoyed but this very quickly turned to a smile. Funny thing is that from that day on I see this man everywhere. The next day he was in the Convent Chapel for daily mass and then we go to another Parish on Sundays or Saturday night he is there - he seems to be following us everywhere!!! LOL

Its fine - better than going into the Church and having a regular chat with those around you as I have seen in Protestant churches. *

 

[Protestant101]

Hello Sweetheart!

Even while I was writing it I knew I was off track. I guess I mentioned it because my husband has been reading to me verses from the Koran… It is in stark contrast to our Bible. Silly of me to bring it up here.

I have only read 5 or 6 postings and do not qualify to enter into the discussion at this stage.

I just had to make a comment about Mass being boring. I hate people to say that. People who are bored are just boring themselves. Some people go to Church because they want to be entertained and that is a fact. I have heard some Protestants talk and that is the impression they give. I am sure Catholics do the same.

So I shall go back and read more and whenever someone tickles me I will respond.

Nice to communicate with my favourite Protestant again.

Cinette

Well; even I would not say Mass is boring! I’m not sure how anyone could say that, unless it was in Latin and they didn’t have a clue what was going on, and they were a teenager. LOL. Teens find almost everything boring. My hunch is that when you mentioned what your husband was studying; it was in the context of knowing what others teach, and comparing how much better Christianity is…or something like that. Anyways; I wasn’t really worried about it - just got me wonderin!!

 

[Cinette]

I would do most anything to get away from the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod and the “evangelize at all costs” church I attend? Why don’t I leave? My wife does not want to (Yet I hope) and I will not endanger our relationship. Every sermon could be straight from Charles Stanley’s books.

Our pastor is a great musical talent so we are music-oriented. Bought a $ 100,000 sound and light system, which one person alone can operate, and it’s not in our budget. Then there is the Catholic bashing, most essential at a Lutheran Church I suppose. We have all kinds of social stuff no one attends.

What don’t we have? The Holy Eucharist, the Holy Virgin, the original Church instituted by Jesus Himself? Jesus socialized with twelve men and a few women. Worked for him.

Even Luther’s version of Lutheranism is long gone, say by 400 years. It’s just another version of Calvi-Luthero-Baptists “what will attract the modern crowd” theology. Bring on the clowns, gimmicks, bad theology, etc.

There is so much to learn and do in the Catholic Church. I would not have time to worry about socializing. I pray the rosary. I’m studying Ignatian spirituality, John of the Cross, Teresa of Avila. I hunger for it, God please let me come over to the True Church.

Just the thoughts of a Protestant not-wanna be yearning for home.

*I pray that your wife will become sensitized to the yearnings of your heart.

My husband converted from atheism. He came to believe in God through a Jew and then attended Mass with me and read and read and read for 11 years before he finally converted and is now a daily communicant. I did not nag him but I was sensitive to his journey but kept quiet and left it to the Holy Spirit.

Cinette*

 

[Cinette]

Well; even I would not say Mass is boring! I’m not sure how anyone could say that, unless it was in Latin and they didn’t have a clue what was going on, and they were a teenager. LOL. Teens find almost everything boring. My hunch is that when you mentioned what your husband was studying; it was in the context of knowing what others teach, and comparing how much better Christianity is…or something like that. Anyways; I wasn’t really worried about it - just got me wonderin!!

*Funny I was going to say in my post that even you would not find the Mass boring but thought naaaaahh! and look at what happened - I left it out and you put it in your post!! LOL!

Cinette*

 

[Protestant101]

Funny I was going to say in my post that even you would not find the Mass boring but thought naaaaahh! and look at what happened - I left it out and you put it in your post!! LOL!

Cinette

Great minds often think alike…

 

[Cinette]

Great minds often think alike…

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

What in the heck kind of comment is this? I have theological problems? Well thank you Mrs. Aquinas for your critique! I’m glad you’re so level-headed and full of the depths of theological genius.

Do you seriously think I haven’t studied the teachings of the Catholic Church? You don’t even know me and haven’t read my posts or know my story, journey. How dare you sit on your high horse and make an accusation that I would leave the Church with scarcely caring or studying the theology of the Catholic faith. How dare you! You haven’t a clue about me or what I have struggled with. My wife and I have been in a real struggle to stay Catholic for years. I deeply resent your cavalier, snobby post. Put me on ignore or don’t reply if you’re going to cop attitude like that.

If you had any Catholicism in you, you would want me to stay and pray for me, and speak to me with some charity and well-wishes. Shame on you…

*You should join either-or because you also have lots of theological problems. So, unless you decide to study and learn about the teachings of the Catholic Church there is no point staying is there?

Cinette*

 

[Jerry_Parker]

Gurney,

**You and Cinette had written: *****Cinette: *You should join either-or because you also have lots of theological problems. So, unless you decide to study and learn about the teachings of the Catholic Church there is no point staying is there?

***Gurney: **What in the heck kind of comment is this? I have theological problems? Well thank you Mrs. Aquinas for your critique! I’m glad you’re so level-headed and full of the depths of theological genius.

Do you seriously think I haven’t studied the teachings of the Catholic Church? You don’t even know me and haven’t read my posts or know my story, journey. How dare you sit on your high horse and make an accusation that I would leave the Church with scarcely caring or studying the theology of the Catholic faith. How dare you! You haven’t a clue about me or what I have struggled with. My wife and I have been in a real struggle to stay Catholic for years. I deeply resent your cavalier, snobby post. Put me on ignore or don’t reply if you’re going to cop attitude like that.

If you had any Catholicism in you, you would want me to stay and pray for me, and speak to me with some charity and well-wishes. Shame on you…*​

I suspect that Cinette did not understand “where you were coming from”, and that she was not exercising arrogance or ill will, really. It is hard to remain patient in these kinds of exchanges when feelings run so high.

Although many C.A. Forum contributors live in places where the Church, locally, is flourishing, I suspect that more Catholics, myself included, live in dioceses wracked with the corruption and licence that have flourished since the Second Vatican Council and especially since the arrival of the Novus Ordo liturgical “reform” in 1970, both of which even Pope Paul VI, too late, realised were ill conceived. The result, now long overdue, is that perhaps a Council is needed to aright the abuses that have arisen from the wrong-headed implementation of the Second Vatican Council.

I live in one of those tainted dioceses and I only came to the Catholic Church because I believe that it is Christ’s True Church, despite the theological, sexual, liturgical and other kinds of slovenliness that run amok in the Church (apart from the Eastern Orthodox Churches and the Eastern Catholic part of the Catholic Church, which, for their part, have not suffered appreciably from the decline that has overtaken all of the churches, denominations, and sects of the Christian West, the Roman Catholic Church included).

If Pope Benedict XVI (and the organs of the Vatican) cannot clean up the muddle that the Church is in now, one hopes, if that really is the right thing to do, that a new Council will be called, as the Council of Trent earlier had been summoned, to address reform of the corruptions that had set into the Catholic Church at the time of the Renaissance and which, again, are so rampant in our times. We may need a Counter-Reform to Vatican II (to make clear what is legitimate in that Council’s name and what definitely is not!), with or without such a council, a new Counter-Reformation to the abuses of the liberal diocesan and national establishments within so much of the Catholic Church, to do much of what, somewhat similarly, the Council of Trent and ensuing Counter-Reformation did in its era to reform the abuses that had run rampant when the tragedy of the Protestant Reformation came along. (Forgive the mile-long and complicated sentences to express something this comples! Also, I am really going out on a far limb, as a layman, in saying this, but it is my conviction; if I am wrong, I know that somehow I shall be made to know that.) Whatever the complacent “liberals” within the Catholic Church may think to the contrary, the Second Vatican Council is not necessarily the last General Council that the Church has needed or that things will go along as they have been indefinitely! The Church, as needed, will have as many future Councils to set things aright as needed, till Christ returns in Glory and history comes to an end to make place for God’s own way for all eternity.

The problem, Gurney, is that all of the Western Church (Catholic, Protestant, Anglican, sectarian) is a terrible mess. There are abuses and decay all over the Protestant and sectarian groups, too, so leaving the Catholic Church really is no solution. It may take some time to learn this, to “interiorise” this sad fact, and I understand that. I was “at the end of my tether” before I knew that the solution is not outside the Church, where other Christian groups are awash in problems (though, like certain good Catholic dioceses, not always on the local level), but reform has to come from within the Church, not from outside it. Having gone through the various streams of Anglicanism. Lutheranism (and even “etc.” to some extent), hoping to find an alternative to the messy post-Vatican II Catholic Church, I simply came to an halt and confessed that any path outside the Catholic Church is the wrongest of them all! May God bless you as you learn to cope with living in troubled times! And pray for the Roman Catholic Church, rather than to attack it in ways that are not really productive. As for me, I am in the Church and hanging on tenaciously, trying to nourish a spiritual life within a diocese, from what I can observe, that does not care much for that kind of thing, but I am in this “for the long haul” and I pray that eventually you, too, will be back in the Church the same way!

Pax, Jerry Parker

 

[Cinette]

Gurney,

**You and Cinette had written: *****Cinette: ***You should join either-or because you also have lots of theological problems. So, unless you decide to study and learn about the teachings of the Catholic Church there is no point staying is there?

***Gurney: ***What in the heck kind of comment is this? I have theological problems? Well thank you Mrs. Aquinas for your critique! I’m glad you’re so level-headed and full of the depths of theological genius.

---

I suspect that Cinette did not understand “where you were coming from”, and that she was not exercising arrogance or ill will, really. It is hard to remain patient in these kinds of exchanges when feelings run so high.

…

*I understood exactly what Gurney was saying. My response yielded the response from him I hoped for - outrage! He cares enough to be outraged! Good!
*
The problem, Gurney, is that all of the Western Church (Catholic, Protestant, Anglican, sectarian) is a terrible mess. There are abuses and decay all over the Protestant and sectarian groups, too, so leaving the Catholic Church really is no solution. It may take some time to learn this, to “interiorise” this sad fact, and I understand that. I was “at the end of my tether” before I knew that the solution is not outside the Church, where other Christian groups are awash in problems (though, like certain good Catholic dioceses, not always on the local level), but reform has to come from within the Church, not from outside it. Having gone through the various streams of Anglicanism. Lutheranism (and even “etc.” to some extent), hoping to find an alternative to the messy post-Vatican II Catholic Church, I simply came to an halt and confessed that any path outside the Catholic Church is the wrongest of them all! May God bless you as you learn to cope with living in troubled times! And pray for the Roman Catholic Church, rather than to attack it in ways that are not really productive. As for me, I am in the Church and hanging on tenaciously, trying to nourish a spiritual life within a diocese, from what I can observe, that does not care much for that kind of thing, but I am in this “for the long haul” and I pray that eventually you, too, will be back in the Church the same way!
*As for you Jerry Parker, your post is wonderful! You make God smile I am sure.

After an absence of 27 years I found myself back in the Catholic Church and I fell in love with it. Through my association with a Catholic Charismatic Group I did a few Life in the Spirit Seminars although I am not charismatic in my manifestations - I was certainly filled with the Spirit. I joined a Parish which at first gripped my interest. First of all the Priest was a “revolutionary” thinker as I have always been - he was for social justice and showed his outrage against abuse of any kind. His homilies were wonderful (most of the time) and he had some “quaint” practices. My husband, who had had communist leanings (you do when you live under fascism) was going through a conversion of his own from atheist to belief in God (through the influence of a Jew). For 11 years he attended Sunday Mass at that parish with me and then finally converted.

There was a time when I thought that I could not bear to be away from that Parish and its Priest. This priest had a influence on everybody and we always looked forward to the following Sunday (I used to attend Mass elsewhere nearer home during the week). Then as we grew in our Faith, as we were exposed to more books and then EWTN we became more “orthodox” if you will and our love for the Church grew. We did not approve of the Priest’s practices and attitude and I emailed him my protest which made him angry. Finally one day my husband said “Let’s go to another Parish” We now attend Mass at two Parishes - one very close to home and on Sundays another about 7 kilometers away.

I have also learned much from CAF and the wonderful people who participate.

I have been profoundly affected by the abuse by priests. It is extremely sad and I have really “suffered” because of all the good and holy Priests I know and have known in the past. As a child in the Convent school I knew a wonderful archbishop (who had been a pupil at that convent school when he was a very small child) - this Archbishop had always been very vocal in his outrage against injustice and fought hard for the oppressed. He was also very involved in Vatican II. I believe that Vatican II was misunderstood and misinterpreted by many.

We live in a very secular world. While the Internet is a a wonderful thing (it brings us CAF) there is a very ugly side. Porn is in our faces. The movies are full of blasphemy and violence. Sex is in our faces!!! All the time! I am sure that some priests must be tempted by what they see on TV and there are women who throw themselves at priests. In other words there is temptation everywhere.

I question everything…everything! All the time. I don’t give our priests a rest!

As for Gurney, I would like to see him be more like you. Despite being in the midst of bad examples you fought for the truth and continue to do so. We always have EWTN and CAF.

God bless us all (and especially Gurney - be positive, be strong!)

Cinette *

Pax, Jerry Parker

 

[Protestant101]

by Cinette

I question everything…everything! All the time. I don’t give our priests a rest!

This is a good trait for both Catholics and Protestants to have. I can just see those poor Priests from your parish running with all that “fire” under their feet. I know that you would never intentionally insult or degrade anyone…you just don’t seem like the type.