With all the scandal in the church

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You can fast from meat for the love of the Lord.

It is a joy to go to Mass!

Our Lord Jesus Christ taught us about marriage.

We have to look at ourselves and allow the Lord to sanctify us.
Discouragement is a tool of the evil one.
 
Catholics need our priests to confect the Eucharist, and we need community to support, serve one another, and worship together.
 
The problem is way more than “homosexuality.”

And corruption in the Church is the norm — This has been the case from the beginning. Just pick up any church history book. Pre-Reformation & Renaissance. 11th century. 9th century. The days of Arianism. It goes on and on.
 
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People should perhaps read about some of the eminent clerics in USA in past eras…Cardinal Cody…Cardinal Spellman…Cardinal O’Connell…plenty of scholarly articles on these clergy out there…
 
Totally agree with a caveat. If these were the founders of the Church and of our religion, then the credibility of the institution would be done. But they aren’t. Our Church and faith predates them and has survived similar corruption and come out the better. They will be judged by it. And it will continue after they have gone to their rewards.

Plus, as St. Gregory says
And it should not frighten you that in the Church the bad are many and the good few. For the Ark, which in the midst of the Flood was a figure of this Church, was wide below and narrow above, and at the summit measured but one cubit (Genesis vi, 16). And we are to believe that below were the four-footed animals and serpents, above the birds and men. It was wide where the beasts were, narrow where men lived: for the Holy Church is indeed wide in the number of those who are carnal minded, narrow in those who are spiritual. For where she suffers the morals and beastly ways of men, there she enlarges her bosom. But where she has the care of those whose lives are founded on spiritual things, these she leads to the higher place; but since they are few, this part is narrow. Wide indeed is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction; and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate that leadeth to life; and few there are that find it!

That being said, when it comes to initiatives founded on human wisdowm that this generation of leadership has put forth, I am more skeptical (especially in light of the fruits). They have not proven themselves wise. Sometimes, as in the words of St. Vincent de Lerins, in such cases it is wise “to cleave to antiquity, which at this day cannot possibly be seduced by any fraud of novelty.”
 
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PS. Are you serious about the Church of England not having a gay subculture? If you are, I can only assume that you have spent little, if any, time in the milieu of the High Church Anglo-Catholic wing of the Church. It is widely accepted that this form of Anglicanism has always, ever since its inception in the nineteenth century, attracted a large number of gay men.

At the Anglo-Catholic theological college St Stephen’s House, Oxford, it was until relatively recently the norm for the ordinands, and even staff, to adopt female names. Although this is apparently no longer the practice there, female names and pronouns are still used by some gay Anglo-Catholics.

I have personally known quite a significant number of gay Anglo-Catholic clergy, some celibate, some with long-term partners, others with more casual partners. The Diocese of Southwark in general, and its cathedral in particular, have long had a very substantial gay membership. The cathedral has for decades had openly gay clergy on the staff, probably in roughly equal proportions with heterosexuals (to say nothing of lay staff, such as musicians and vergers). You will find large numbers of gay men at smart central London parishes such as All Saints Margaret Street, St Mary’s Bourne Street, and St Magnus the Martyr, as well as at Pusey House, Oxford, and gays and lesbians at more liberal Anglo-Catholic parishes such as St James’s Piccadilly and St Martin-in-the-Fields. Brighton, too, has always had a large community of gay Anglo-Catholics.

I was once advised to have nothing to do with the Guild of Servants of the Sanctuary because of the likelihood that I would be approached by predatory older gay men—and I was given this advice by an older gay man who lived with a long-term partner and took a very dim view of this sort of activity (in fact, his description of the proclivities of the Servants of the Sanctuary was rather more colourful than my paraphrase).

There are a number of Anglican (or largely Anglican) organisations that openly and actively advocate for LGBT+ people in the Church, e.g. OneBodyOneFaith, Inclusive Church, and Affirming Catholicism.

Perhaps you are a conservative evangelical or solidly middle-of-the-road, but if you were to spend any time at all in the Anglo-Catholic milieu you would soon discover what I am talking about.
 
I’m in Canada. I have very little contact with the C of E. I expect there is gay subculture here as well, but I am fairly familiar with many of the personalities and the polity and can say that my experience as a RC was way beyond anything I have experienced with the Anglicans.
 
Unfortunately I cannot argue with this. Keep the faith and God bless… Gary
 
Except that the hierarchy seems unable/unwilling to deal with the abuse saga. This weekend’s meeting with Cardinals accomplished zero.
Not sure what you expected to happen. If you’re looking for a quick nice neat result that is going to banish all sin and make the whole messy situation resolve so you can “feel good” about the Church again, you’re highly unlikely to get it.

You need to start looking at this from a standpoint of your relationship with Jesus Christ, not from a standpoint of your relationship with a bunch of bishops in a Church.

You bailed on the Catholic Church and joined a schismatic Church that likely has a whole bunch of the exact same problems with abuse, coverups, and “hypocrisy”. You didn’t get away from anything and you distanced yourself from Jesus.

If you want to live that way, fine…as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
 
You didn’t get away from anything and you distanced yourself from Jesus.

If you want to live that way, fine…as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
I don’t believe I’ve distanced myself from Jesus. And I don’t see how there is only one way to serve the Lord.
 
People are imperfect. Why should any institution including people be expected to be perfect?
I love the Catholic Church, but it is run by human beings. Well-intentioned and for the most part decent human beings.
Mistakes sometimes are made. All we can do is try to correct those mistakes and to move on.
 
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