With Border Crossings at a Trickle, Why Build a Mexico Wall?

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Yea, agreed. But the bottom line is, if I am running a business, and no matter how hard I try I can’t find enough workers, bring on the immigrants (legal of course) who want to work.
 
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Yea, agreed. But the bottom line is, if I am running a business, and no matter how hard I try I can’t find enough workers, bring on the immigrants (legal of course) who want to work.
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Yes, we have several seasonal visa programs that should be expanded, especially in Agriculture. Farms can’t depend on urban unemployed to come and pick fruit for a couple weeks a year.
 
I keep hearing this assertion over and over again.

But is it really true? Maybe Americans don’t want to work for a pittance in conditions hardly fit for humans. I would gladly pay more for products made by companies that treated their workers like humans.

To excuse the employers that exploit illegal immigrants and then blame legal but poor citizens for not wanting to be exploited does not make sense.

First of all we do not do anyone any favors by looking the other way when illegals are exploited while our poor are locked out of the opportunities to earn an honest living in decent working conditions. Wait, I take that back. We do favor to those unscrupulous who are only too willing to exploit people.
 
Most would rather stay on welfare than work?

How do you know?

Did you conduct a poll? What is your source on this?
 
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But is it really true? Maybe Americans don’t want to work for a pittance in conditions hardly fit for humans. I would gladly pay more for products made by companies that treated their workers like humans.
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How does enabling illegals to do the work help anything?

If the meat packer can’t find employees, he will increase his wages and improve the working conditions. THAT is how it is supposed to work in our economic system. The cost of meat may also increase, but the benefits will be seen by those workers.
 
Seriously, did you even read my post? Where in my posts did I talk about enabling illegals?

I was actually talking AGAINST illegal immigration. Apologists for illegal immigration would argue about illegals doing jobs that no citizen would want.

I disagree. Americans will not do these types of work since they pay a pittance and are done in conditions not fit for humans. The use and exploitation of illegal immigrants by unscrupulous employers and the subsequent denial of opportunity to poor citizens goes against Catholic social justice. I do not blame illegals for coming here because there is obviously a demand for their services by unscrupulous employers. The punishment should be more on these employers.

The ideal would be offering low skilled citizens opportunities for work with fair pay and safe and decent working conditions. I would gladly pay more for these products.
 
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Didn’t say it was. Just sayin that if no one wants a job, then an employer has to find someone to fill it. If an immigrant wants a job that no one else will take, then he should have it.
 
If there really are no takers among the local population, the employer has the option of bringing in legal workers from abroad. It’s not like the only option would be breaking immigration law.
 
Appreciate your reply. If you reread mine, I say nothing about “illegal immigrants.”

I don’t know if it was earlier in this thread or on another, but I said that building the wall is probably a waste because with the declining birth rate in America, in the future we are going to need immigrants to maintain a full workforce. We will be welcoming immigrants. Hopefully, just not accepting the criminals.
 
This is false. They are jobs that Americans don’t want to do for the pitiful cash payments offered. And the main reason the wage is so low is because we flood the market with cheap illegal labor. And the illegal worker has very little say as being here illegally and all he has no legal recourse against the employer. It is all a big scam that benefits the employer. But if we crack down on the illegal labor, the constriction of the labor pool would drive wages upwards and you would suddenly see Americans doing these jobs that they supposedly refuse to do.
 
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Seriously, did you even read my post? Where in my posts did I talk about enabling illegals?

I was actually talking AGAINST illegal immigration. Apologists for illegal immigration would argue about illegals doing jobs that no citizen would want.

I disagree. Americans will not do these types of work since they pay a pittance and are done in conditions not fit for humans. The use and exploitation of illegal immigrants by unscrupulous employers and the subsequent denial of opportunity to poor citizens goes against Catholic social justice. I do not blame illegals for coming here because there is obviously a demand for their services by unscrupulous employers. The punishment should be more on these employers.

The ideal would be offering low skilled citizens opportunities for work with fair pay and safe and decent working conditions. I would gladly pay more for these products.
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Yes, I responded to an idea in your 1st paragraph, not the whole post.
Now you ignore my post because I said Americans would do the jobs when the pay and conditions improved. That is how it has always worked. You are right, the hiring of illegals enables employers to keep wages low and not improve working conditions.

Competition for labor is the way to entice employers to offer a better package, it doesn’t really work if it’s mandated by the Govt.
 
I agree that it is not the government’s job to force companies to offer better benefits to attract workers.

However, It is the government’s job to go after employers who break immigration law is it not?

As for me ignoring your post, it is because I agree with you on American citizens not willing to work for substandard pay in substandard conditions. In fact I said the same thing in my previous post.

Companies need to offer better if they expect to attract workers who are citizens. Failure to get workers should not excuse breaking immigration law.
 
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