Withholding the marital gift

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Eek! I’d freak out if my husband started wasting our money on expensive jewelry. The other day, my husband and I had a little tiff. I had to go into work (I telecommute from home) and all of a sudden I heard him turn on the vacuum. I’ve never felt SO loved. He got the place so clean and when I was done working the overtime he said “I wanted to make up for some of the things I said to you. My first thought was flowers, but then I thought about what you’d really want and decided to clean.” A clean apartment was SO much better than a bouquet of roses. I mean for crying out loud there is so little effort in making a purchase anyway. Unless he’s got a stash of personal money for say purchasing his lunch and decides to go lunchless for weeks to save up for something, he’s spending OUR money to buy something that isn’t on our budget.

I mean doing something like that works if you have separate bank accounts or if he truly is the primary bread winner and manages the family budget completely where the woman gets an allowance to spend on any purchases she needs to make, but a lot of families aren’t like that.

The point is that an act of love requires personal sacrifice and a good marriage involves both partners looking for ways to give of themselves and their time more and more. Unforunately when one spouse has a “taking” attitude rather than a “giving” attitude, it leads to a love that isn’t reciprocal. The one person takes and receives and the other person ends up completely empty and resentful. Now the temptation is always when you’re being used to stop giving and possibly to be very hostile to having anything taken from you. Its important to still love, but its also important not to be a doormat. What is needed are both continual expressions of love that aren’t enabling and communication. The key is to do all things in charity, but to not demean yourself as if giving yourself constantly were a way for you to earn his love.
Well, you may need to read The Five Love Languages. If I am reading your post correctly,you are assuming that this woman and her spouse do not have the funds to purchase things like jewelry so your post sounds like her gifts were not given with the right intent. Just because you love language is having things done for you doesn’t mean that hers is any less important or frivolous if her husband knows that getting gifts is how she receives love. All I can say is read that book before you go judging the person’s intent and assuming someone’s financial situations.
 
I just used the jewelry as an example of how it’s possible for a husband to completely change when his wife changes her attitude. The most significant changes I experienced were in my husband’s attitude. It felt like we went from 2 strangers living in the same house to 2 madly in love people… My husband’s whole demeanor changed after I started following Dr. Laura’s advice. He became the husband who would “swm through shark-infested waters to bring me lemonade” to quote Dr. Laura. He went from a silent, unavailable man to one who seemed profoundly grateful to be married to me. My feelings and happiness became his biggest concern. Not a bad way to live!! It’s a shame that so many women retain their feminist mindset after marriage-- that any type of service to the husband is “demeaning.” Refrainng from nagging, making the man’s dinner most nights, and being available to him in the bedroom a couple of nights a week is not that much to ask, I think. Those last 2 things can total less than one hour per day, yet women often resist doing them even though that small investment could make a world of difference in the marriage.

I’m not implying any of this about the OP, btw. I know sometimes women are just married to jerks, and Dr. Laura’s advice probably won’t work for them…
 
I just used the jewelry as an example of how it’s possible for a husband to completely change when his wife changes her attitude. The most significant changes I experienced were in my husband’s attitude. It felt like we went from 2 strangers living in the same house to 2 madly in love people… My husband’s whole demeanor changed after I started following Dr. Laura’s advice. He became the husband who would “swm through shark-infested waters to bring me lemonade” to quote Dr. Laura. He went from a silent, unavailable man to one who seemed profoundly grateful to be married to me. My feelings and happiness became his biggest concern. Not a bad way to live!! It’s a shame that so many women retain their feminist mindset after marriage-- that any type of service to the husband is “demeaning.” Refrainng from nagging, making the man’s dinner most nights, and being available to him in the bedroom a couple of nights a week is not that much to ask, I think. Those last 2 things can total less than one hour per day, yet women often resist doing them even though that small investment could make a world of difference in the marriage.

I’m not implying any of this about the OP, btw. I know sometimes women are just married to jerks, and Dr. Laura’s advice probably won’t work for them…
Well, I don’t nag and I have always cooked, and up until recently I was at least cooperative in the bedroom. I reached a point where I was just burned out and felt as if no matter what or how much I did, there was no return gesture from my husband, and no appreciation of what I was doing. I began to feel as if I was merely manipulating the situation, trying to get something from him that he would not willingly give (intimacy other than sex), and I gave up. I lost hope. And I haven’t gotten it back yet. Counseling doesn’t seem to help. We talk about everything except sex and for him, I fear that is the entire problem. And that depresses me even more. To think that this man that I have been married to for 22 years needs sex and only sex in order to feel connected to me…that is just really depressing. Like, maybe he’d be fine if I were only a robot who made zero demands on him as a husband and were always available.

I know those aren’t great things to say but I’m being honest here. I don’t know if anyone on this forum is at the same point as we are but I’m afraid if we don’t make progress, our marriage just might be over.
 
Well, I don’t nag and I have always cooked, and up until recently I was at least cooperative in the bedroom. I reached a point where I was just burned out and felt as if no matter what or how much I did, there was no return gesture from my husband, and no appreciation of what I was doing. I began to feel as if I was merely manipulating the situation, trying to get something from him that he would not willingly give (intimacy other than sex), and I gave up. I lost hope. And I haven’t gotten it back yet. Counseling doesn’t seem to help. We talk about everything except sex and for him, I fear that is the entire problem. And that depresses me even more. To think that this man that I have been married to for 22 years needs sex and only sex in order to feel connected to me…that is just really depressing. Like, maybe he’d be fine if I were only a robot who made zero demands on him as a husband and were always available.

I know those aren’t great things to say but I’m being honest here. I don’t know if anyone on this forum is at the same point as we are but I’m afraid if we don’t make progress, our marriage just might be over.
RJ (hope you don’t mind the abbrev) - wife and I have been going through something similar. I try hard to explain that - at least from my male perspective - the sex is NOT just sex. It represents intimacy, acceptance, admiration. That’s difficult for her to grasp - she “hears” sex.

I will share some of our story, in the hope that it helps you.

It isn’t a matter of needing sex and only sex, although I suspect a male (myself sometimes included) would sometimes feel that way or only be able to express it that way. There are times it is cruely depressing for me, because as we work through it, it is difficult for my wife to have sex. (Without going into too much detail, we got onto a bad path years ago when she needed major surgery - and it led to a breakdown of communication and this part of our marriage which we are only now healing. She is physically and mentally fully healed, but we “diverged” as a result of what happened.)

I will also say, that a man can experience a great deal of anger over this, and it can sometimes come out in other firms, depression, overwork, inability to sleep.

My wife makes a very good salary, mine ranges from 2.5 to 6 times larger in a typical year. During the bad economy , our compensation became almost equal. This was of course bad timing - we had just finished paying for our son to go to college and grad school, our parents have medical issues, we helped our son and new wife get “set-up” in life, and more - and then our compensation dropped significantly - right after many of our resources were drained.

This adds to the stress of course.

After years of me pushing, she finally agreed to counseling. I have tried to be very open, although at times this has created a great deal of stress. It has helped her - eventually - to be more open. I told her that we need it real, holding back at this point isn’t going to help us.

Recently I apologized for some things I had done over the years that did not help the situation. This opened some old wounds for her, she questioned why she stayed married during those times, and it shook her core. But it has helped her to re-examine We ARE talking. We sometimes say hurtful things - but as the counselor points out we are both still here and both still working.

I am a romantic guy. I haven’t FELT romantic for years. She mentioned this past week how she would like romance. I’ve tried to be particularly romantic this Valentine’s Day.

We have also talked, though about her trying to better understand the pressure I feel to provide for us (and perhaps to help our parents and son and dil, son is in a very tough business.) And while the economy is still recovering, this means I need to work more than normal to keep us successful. She preaches balance - I would LOVE to have balance, but it is hard right now, and a complete lack of sex doesn’t help me to be more balanced, it makes me LESS balanced.

I made Val Day a several day affair, a small romantic gift daily, numerous (but cost-effective) flowers (and made sure she knew they were cost effective - she worries about the money otherwise). I needed to work today and she ran errands this morning, and then we went to lunch together, the library a bookstore, really just walked and talked and held hands.

This morning some things happened that got my attention sexually; I purposefully avoided acting on them, and have told her I will not push so long as we can have hugging and cuddling at night (she has not traditionally been a hugging/touching person.)

The result has been a good/romantic day. I hope that soon she will be able to take some renewed steps sexually, because I know eventually the lack of sex will (again) cause me to emotionally crack, to not be able to sleep. I don’t like that it does this, I don’t like that it seems so transactional, but its so consistent that to deny who I am and what I need makes no sense either.

I don’t know if you and hubby have been able to talk openly enough to get this sort of perspective - or maybe you already had it? But in any case I hope being this open helps you and him.
 
Well, I don’t nag and I have always cooked, and up until recently I was at least cooperative in the bedroom. I reached a point where I was just burned out and felt as if no matter what or how much I did, there was no return gesture from my husband, and no appreciation of what I was doing. I began to feel as if I was merely manipulating the situation, trying to get something from him that he would not willingly give (intimacy other than sex), and I gave up. I lost hope. And I haven’t gotten it back yet. Counseling doesn’t seem to help. We talk about everything except sex and for him, I fear that is the entire problem. And that depresses me even more. To think that this man that I have been married to for 22 years needs sex and only sex in order to feel connected to me…that is just really depressing. Like, maybe he’d be fine if I were only a robot who made zero demands on him as a husband and were always available.

I know those aren’t great things to say but I’m being honest here. I don’t know if anyone on this forum is at the same point as we are but I’m afraid if we don’t make progress, our marriage just might be over.
Maybe all middle-aged women feel this way at some point (like all our dhs really want from us is sex). When my husband is really busy at work, I can definitely feel just like you. Luckily for me, it’s not all the time.

I read a very good book once that said that men and women have different areas of “insatiability” and you must be aware of these to understand marriage. For women, it’s communication; for men, it’s sexual attention. I find this to be pretty true.

In your case, I’m presuming you’re a good, Catholic woman who feels a little stuck in marriage with on way out. I guess the only thing I can think of to tell you to spend a lot of time iwth good girlfriends who can nurture your emotional side. Also, it seems like getting a lot of hobbies and staying busy could help distract you. I’m so sorry about your situation. PM me if you need a friend!!!
 
RJ (hope you don’t mind the abbrev) - wife and I have been going through something similar. I try hard to explain that - at least from my male perspective - the sex is NOT just sex. It represents intimacy, acceptance, admiration. That’s difficult for her to grasp - she “hears” sex. (clipped)

The result has been a good/romantic day. I hope that soon she will be able to take some renewed steps sexually, because I know eventually the lack of sex will (again) cause me to emotionally crack, to not be able to sleep. I don’t like that it does this, I don’t like that it seems so transactional, but its so consistent that to deny who I am and what I need makes no sense either.

I don’t know if you and hubby have been able to talk openly enough to get this sort of perspective - or maybe you already had it? But in any case I hope being this open helps you and him.
I am so grateful that you responded, I was reading your earlier posts and thinking how great it was to hear from a male who is not my husband. He has a hard time talking about sex in general which is why he has done nothing for our sons in that realm. I am just going to go over your post thoroughly but I wanted to say thank you right away as soon as I saw it. I need to hear the male perspective because all I have is my own.

Oh,and I like the nickname RJ! 🙂
 
I wouldn’t call the marital embrace a ‘gift’ that one can ‘withhold’ … that’s a bad perspective. But equally bad perspective is calling it a ‘possession’ that one can ‘take’ …
 
RJ (hope you don’t mind the abbrev) - wife and I have been going through something similar. I try hard to explain that - at least from my male perspective - the sex is NOT just sex. It represents intimacy, acceptance, admiration. That’s difficult for her to grasp - she “hears” sex.

I will share some of our story, in the hope that it helps you.

It isn’t a matter of needing sex and only sex, although I suspect a male (myself sometimes included) would sometimes feel that way or only be able to express it that way. There are times it is cruely depressing for me, because as we work through it, it is difficult for my wife to have sex. (Without going into too much detail, we got onto a bad path years ago when she needed major surgery - and it led to a breakdown of communication and this part of our marriage which we are only now healing. She is physically and mentally fully healed, but we “diverged” as a result of what happened.)

I will also say, that a man can experience a great deal of anger over this, and it can sometimes come out in other firms, depression, overwork, inability to sleep.

My wife makes a very good salary, mine ranges from 2.5 to 6 times larger in a typical year. During the bad economy , our compensation became almost equal. This was of course bad timing - we had just finished paying for our son to go to college and grad school, our parents have medical issues, we helped our son and new wife get “set-up” in life, and more - and then our compensation dropped significantly - right after many of our resources were drained.

This adds to the stress of course.

After years of me pushing, she finally agreed to counseling. I have tried to be very open, although at times this has created a great deal of stress. It has helped her - eventually - to be more open. I told her that we need it real, holding back at this point isn’t going to help us.

Recently I apologized for some things I had done over the years that did not help the situation. This opened some old wounds for her, she questioned why she stayed married during those times, and it shook her core. But it has helped her to re-examine We ARE talking. We sometimes say hurtful things - but as the counselor points out we are both still here and both still working.

I am a romantic guy. I haven’t FELT romantic for years. She mentioned this past week how she would like romance. I’ve tried to be particularly romantic this Valentine’s Day.

We have also talked, though about her trying to better understand the pressure I feel to provide for us (and perhaps to help our parents and son and dil, son is in a very tough business.) And while the economy is still recovering, this means I need to work more than normal to keep us successful. She preaches balance - I would LOVE to have balance, but it is hard right now, and a complete lack of sex doesn’t help me to be more balanced, it makes me LESS balanced.

I made Val Day a several day affair, a small romantic gift daily, numerous (but cost-effective) flowers (and made sure she knew they were cost effective - she worries about the money otherwise). I needed to work today and she ran errands this morning, and then we went to lunch together, the library a bookstore, really just walked and talked and held hands.

This morning some things happened that got my attention sexually; I purposefully avoided acting on them, and have told her I will not push so long as we can have hugging and cuddling at night (she has not traditionally been a hugging/touching person.)

The result has been a good/romantic day. I hope that soon she will be able to take some renewed steps sexually, because I know eventually the lack of sex will (again) cause me to emotionally crack, to not be able to sleep. I don’t like that it does this, I don’t like that it seems so transactional, but its so consistent that to deny who I am and what I need makes no sense either.

I don’t know if you and hubby have been able to talk openly enough to get this sort of perspective - or maybe you already had it? But in any case I hope being this open helps you and him.
This is one of the best posts I’ve ever read on CA in re to the marital act.
I applaud you and congratulate you.
Thank you so much for your words of wisdom.
 
First, my DH knows that I go to Confession on Thursdays, I go every Thursday. He knows that I also go to Adoration afterwards. He knows that I go to choir practice on Wednesday evenings-- every Wednesday, same time. Well, except for ~2 weeks ago when we moved it to Tuesday, in anticipation of some severe winter weather that was to hit us (and it did!).

The self-centeredness is something that we’ve dealt with off and on throughout the marriage. He has had issues with this for a while now, sometimes very severely so, like when he basically didn’t want to give up his lunch “meeting” with a co-worker to pick me up from the hospital after I’d had major female surgery-- I’d had a hysto and a large benign tumor removed, and it was a bigger surgery than we first anticipated. But, praise God, I was having a fast recovery and was released a few days earlier than estimated. That threw him for a loop.

Oh, did I mention that the co-worker was his EX-GIRLFRIEND?? Yup, she worked at the same place he did.

He finally did pick me up, but was so resentful that he didn’t want to stop at the pharmacy on the way home so that I could have my medicines filled (pain meds and necessary antibiotics). I had to drive myself to the store, even though I wasn’t supposed to drive for 2 weeks-- but I needed those medicines. I wasn’t supposed to lift anything but I had to move a basket of dirty clothes off the bed so I could lie down. I had to pick junk up out of the living room so I could walk through-- he wouldn’t do it.

Oh, and he had moved his lunch “meeting” to a dinner “meeting”. His rationale? He thought I’d want to be alone so I could rest. :rolleyes: Yup, he went out for dinner with his ex-GF the evening that I came home from a hysterectomy.

I cooked my own supper that night. And then he had the bal… er, gumption to ask for “the gift”. Sorry, that was a no-no for 6 weeks post-op. Doctor’s orders! So, could he have… er, a “blue jay” instead, to put it delicately, if you get my drift. He had some nerve asking for that after going out with his EX-GIRLFRIEND when I had just came home from the hospital! “Sorry, dear–I’m not feeling up to it. I just got out of the hospital after major surgery, yanno?” :cool: I doubt sincerely that I would have been so snarky had he not “had a date” with his ex-- at a nicer restaurant than WE had ever gone to as a married couple, to boot. Yeah, he told me where they went. 😦

These are typical examples of what I’d had to put up with from him over the years. What do I want him to do? I want him to treat me like a WIFE and a HUMAN BEING, not his personal maid and “hooker”.

I did start into counseling, BTW. When I related that incident, and a few others, to my counselor, he was incredulous that someone could be so callous.

The self-centeredness has cotinued, BTW. And I’ve spent less time at church so as to spend more time working on things at home. But the mocking and near-blasphemy (or outright blasphemy) continues. So do the demands for the gift. I have given it to him, but it’s not pleasant. I try not to be resentful, but I get the feeling thathe’s using me as a masturbation device instead of sharing an intimate and tender act with a loving wife. He finishes, then basically rolls over and goes to sleep. I feel like I gave him a gift, an embrace that is/ was just tossed back into the box and thrown aside until the next itch hits. I literally try to hug him and he just stands there, arms at his sides, not hugging in return. Honestly, I get more response when I hug my cats.

sigh

But, as someone else said here… it’s his right and my duty. I guess I just have to put up with it. I thought intimacy was supposed to be mutual, but I guess I was mistaken. This relationship is all about give-and-take: I give, he takes. Apparently, romance is something that is only for others, and this is my lot, my cross to bear. So be it. I guess I can “spread my legs” once a week, on schedule, and lie there like a dead fish in the same way that he stands there like a scarecrow when I try to hug him. Perhaps then he’ll understand how it feels when he does it to me. I don’t know how else to show or explain why it feels hurtful to me, and how a lack of real intimacy and caring kind of saps the pleasure out of the marital act.

TheRealJuliane, you said it… I try to be a good, Catholic woman. I feel more than a little stuck in marriage with no way out. And counseling is a vent, but no real solution so far. I do have lots of hobbies, but little time to invest in them-- I’m spending a lot of time trying to make some façade of a loving and interactive marriage… with little success

~Spoken4
 
I have met many divorced women who told me their experience of years of sexless marriage.

I believe an active sex life helps to keep marriages intact and satisfying.
 
First, my DH knows that I go to Confession on Thursdays, I go every Thursday. He knows that I also go to Adoration afterwards. He knows that I go to choir practice on Wednesday evenings-- every Wednesday, same time. Well, except for ~2 weeks ago when we moved it to Tuesday, in anticipation of some severe winter weather that was to hit us (and it did!).

The self-centeredness is something that we’ve dealt with off and on throughout the marriage. He has had issues with this for a while now, sometimes very severely so, like when he basically didn’t want to give up his lunch “meeting” with a co-worker to pick me up from the hospital after I’d had major female surgery-- I’d had a hysto and a large benign tumor removed, and it was a bigger surgery than we first anticipated. But, praise God, I was having a fast recovery and was released a few days earlier than estimated. That threw him for a loop.

Oh, did I mention that the co-worker was his EX-GIRLFRIEND?? Yup, she worked at the same place he did.

He finally did pick me up, but was so resentful that he didn’t want to stop at the pharmacy on the way home so that I could have my medicines filled (pain meds and necessary antibiotics). I had to drive myself to the store, even though I wasn’t supposed to drive for 2 weeks-- but I needed those medicines. I wasn’t supposed to lift anything but I had to move a basket of dirty clothes off the bed so I could lie down. I had to pick junk up out of the living room so I could walk through-- he wouldn’t do it.

Oh, and he had moved his lunch “meeting” to a dinner “meeting”. His rationale? He thought I’d want to be alone so I could rest. :rolleyes: Yup, he went out for dinner with his ex-GF the evening that I came home from a hysterectomy.

I cooked my own supper that night. And then he had the bal… er, gumption to ask for “the gift”. Sorry, that was a no-no for 6 weeks post-op. Doctor’s orders! So, could he have… er, a “blue jay” instead, to put it delicately, if you get my drift. He had some nerve asking for that after going out with his EX-GIRLFRIEND when I had just came home from the hospital! “Sorry, dear–I’m not feeling up to it. I just got out of the hospital after major surgery, yanno?” :cool: I doubt sincerely that I would have been so snarky had he not “had a date” with his ex-- at a nicer restaurant than WE had ever gone to as a married couple, to boot. Yeah, he told me where they went. 😦

These are typical examples of what I’d had to put up with from him over the years. What do I want him to do? I want him to treat me like a WIFE and a HUMAN BEING, not his personal maid and “hooker”.

I did start into counseling, BTW. When I related that incident, and a few others, to my counselor, he was incredulous that someone could be so callous.

The self-centeredness has cotinued, BTW. And I’ve spent less time at church so as to spend more time working on things at home. But the mocking and near-blasphemy (or outright blasphemy) continues. So do the demands for the gift. I have given it to him, but it’s not pleasant. I try not to be resentful, but I get the feeling thathe’s using me as a masturbation device instead of sharing an intimate and tender act with a loving wife. He finishes, then basically rolls over and goes to sleep. I feel like I gave him a gift, an embrace that is/ was just tossed back into the box and thrown aside until the next itch hits. I literally try to hug him and he just stands there, arms at his sides, not hugging in return. Honestly, I get more response when I hug my cats.

sigh

But, as someone else said here… it’s his right and my duty. I guess I just have to put up with it. I thought intimacy was supposed to be mutual, but I guess I was mistaken. This relationship is all about give-and-take: I give, he takes. Apparently, romance is something that is only for others, and this is my lot, my cross to bear. So be it. I guess I can “spread my legs” once a week, on schedule, and lie there like a dead fish in the same way that he stands there like a scarecrow when I try to hug him. Perhaps then he’ll understand how it feels when he does it to me. I don’t know how else to show or explain why it feels hurtful to me, and how a lack of real intimacy and caring kind of saps the pleasure out of the marital act.

TheRealJuliane, you said it… I try to be a good, Catholic woman. I feel more than a little stuck in marriage with no way out. And counseling is a vent, but no real solution so far. I do have lots of hobbies, but little time to invest in them-- I’m spending a lot of time trying to make some façade of a loving and interactive marriage… with little success

~Spoken4
Wow. You are a real soldier of Christ!
Hurray for the counseling.
Vent now.
Maybe some solutions later?

God bless you.

PS - is hubby callous? YES.
 
theres alot of great advice been given…id like to recommend praying for the holy souls in purgatory and asking for their prayers and intercessions to help your marriage and your relationship with your husband…

the holy souls in purgatory will obtain favours fast from god…i speak from experience because they have always helped me pretty darn quick

heres a site about how the holy souls are helping those who pray for them…its full of all kinds of favours

missionbell.homestead.com/Afavourgrantedbytheholysouls.html
 
OP… I just read your last post. The idea of sex after such surg. makes me want to throw up. That a man that claims to love you would even suggest such a thing… I suspect this goes beyond “self centered”… that’s just not normal!

Personally, if day in and day out where like this, I’d have headed for divorce already. Living a loveless marriage where there are only demands and nothing else, if it’s truly like that, well, I could live just like that BY MYSELF!

You should be able to tell a difference between living alone, and living with a person that loves you.
 
Spoken4,

Wow. Just wow. No, his behavior is not normal for a man, just in case you are wondering.

:gopray2:
 
Spoken4,

Wow. Just wow. No, his behavior is not normal for a man, just in case you are wondering.

:gopray2:
It’s not normal for a woman either.
It’s not normal for any human being.
 
It’s not normal for a woman either.
It’s not normal for any human being.
Agreed. Women too. I didn’t mean to imply a woman would do that. I was just thinking in terms of OPs exact situation. Sometimes I’m rather linear.
 
After meeting today with my counselor, I came to the realization that my recent “desire” to withhold relations is probably stemming from all these years of resentment (not really a desire to avoid healthy relations, as I truly want to enjoy relations in a loving and proper context-- but that seems to be lacking). I guess I’ve been trying to forgive him for that and move on, but perhaps it was so hurtful, both the request so soon after surgery and the fact that he’d even THINK about seeing his ex-GF for a so-called “meeting” at that particular time. Of course, for him to see his ex for social reasons while being married to someone else (me, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be me) is just disgusting. I suppose I’ve nevr gotten over it, no matter how hard I would try to force myself, and no matter how he would try to convince me that I’m just being overly sensitive.

I’m not overly sensitive about that, am I? I mean, I’m asking here so that I can get a sense from more than one person… I think I’ve been “brainwashed” over time into thinking that I’m being a nag or whatever.

What d y’all think-- am I really a nag and should I just “get over this” and move on , or am I “normal” for feeling resentful? Does it sound to you, as “normal folk” like I’m just hyper, or does this guy have issues?

I really don’t wish to divorce and go through an annulment if there’s ANY chance that this is “my problem” or something that I need to work on so the marriage can be saved?

Thanks for all (name removed by moderator)ut so far. :blessyou:

~Spoken4
 
After meeting today with my counselor, I came to the realization that my recent “desire” to withhold relations is probably stemming from all these years of resentment (not really a desire to avoid healthy relations, as I truly want to enjoy relations in a loving and proper context-- but that seems to be lacking). I guess I’ve been trying to forgive him for that and move on, but perhaps it was so hurtful, both the request so soon after surgery and the fact that he’d even THINK about seeing his ex-GF for a so-called “meeting” at that particular time. Of course, for him to see his ex for social reasons while being married to someone else (me, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be me) is just disgusting. I suppose I’ve nevr gotten over it, no matter how hard I would try to force myself, and no matter how he would try to convince me that I’m just being overly sensitive.

I’m not overly sensitive about that, am I? I mean, I’m asking here so that I can get a sense from more than one person… I think I’ve been “brainwashed” over time into thinking that I’m being a nag or whatever.

What d y’all think-- am I really a nag and should I just “get over this” and move on , or am I “normal” for feeling resentful? Does it sound to you, as “normal folk” like I’m just hyper, or does this guy have issues?

I really don’t wish to divorce and go through an annulment if there’s ANY chance that this is “my problem” or something that I need to work on so the marriage can be saved?

Thanks for all (name removed by moderator)ut so far. :blessyou:

~Spoken4
My dear lady -
from all you’ve said, you are his DOORMAT!
Please talk to a priest also.
This surgery thing? His treatment?
Horrendous!!!
 
Personally, if day in and day out where like this, I’d have headed for divorce already. Living a loveless marriage where there are only demands and nothing else, if it’s truly like that, well, I could live just like that BY MYSELF!

You should be able to tell a difference between living alone, and living with a person that loves you.
I can’t really leave since I really haven’t got any place to go and money’s tight. I just don’t make enough to afford my own place. Shelters here-- most of them, anyway, for women w/o kids-- charge money. It’s “only” $10/night, but that’s still $300/month and they don’t serve meals. For those, you have to have a “physical” case, that is, be a battered woman and he doesn’t do that. Or, you have to have young children, and my son is grown.

If you don’t meet those criteria, then you are basically considered under the same criteria as a male. The difference is, there are more shelters for “men only” here; the ones that accept women generally have a waiting list a mile long… unless I want to go to Salvation Army and be subject to their style of worship; yes, you MUST attend their services to stay there. AND they CHARGE… they were the first ones to implement the $10/night fee.

There is a new shelter that doesn’t charge, but it is CONSTANTLY full, and unsafe. I might get a pad on the floor or in the courtyard (outside) if they have room until an “inside bed” opens up if I’m lucky. This city is literally ranked as one of the 10 worst (meanest) cities for the homeless, and if you can’t afford an apartment, then you are called “homeless” here.

Then there’s the costs of hiring an attorney for the civil divorce, plus the expenses of an annulment… :eek:

So, I kind of have to put up with this until I get a better-paying job-- and since he’s been laid off for 15 months, I’ve had to kick in to help with bare-bones household expenses. That doesn’t leave much for my own needs, and remember how self-centered he is? He’s the same way with money and he’s already threatened to “bury” his assets if I ever got any wise ideas of divorce… even though I never mentioned anything of the sort. :mad:

Pray for me; I’m looking into a management job in the grocery business for an expanding retailer-- tons of new stores opening up here, and the pay’s good. Housing’s not THAT expensive, but it may as well be if one just doesn’t have it readily available.

Hmmm… there IS always ‘couch-surfing’ until something breaks. :confused:

~Spoken4
 
I really don’t wish to divorce and go through an annulment if there’s ANY chance that this is “my problem” or something that I need to work on so the marriage can be saved?
You are not causing behavior like the going to a restaurant with his ex while you are in bed after surgery without meds and then “asking” for relations when he gets home. Your spouse is free, and clearly exercises that freedom.

When you ask about saved, I don’t know. *You *can’t do much about it, but there is always a chance that something could turn around. After 30 years, he might grow in sensitivity or have a life-changing experience. Also, simply due to the passage of time or increasing age and wisdom, you might find the burden slightly easier to bear. I don’t think it is possible over the internet to say it is completely without hope of some small improvement.

But that isn’t a promise that there is real hope. I have no way to know about that. But I do know God loves you. More prayers for you! :gopray2:
 
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