Woman and hormones

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I had to work hard to remind myself that my anger wasn’t rational. When I told my husband about this sudden new development, he laughed. “That’s what it’s like being a guy.” I did end up having a boy. Maybe it was testosterone. I don’t know.
The hardest thing is being mad and having him give you slack because you’re hormonal, and you realize somewhere in the drowned-out rational part of your brain that he’s probably right, but darn it you really are mad and you want to be taken seriously, LOL. Those of us who did not go through this as 16 year olds have our whole “I’m above that kind of thing” pride really dashed on the rocks on top of it.

Had my husband not seen I was mad about something I’d regret being mad about later, we could have had a real row about it. As it was, he was right: I wasn’t mad later. Crisis averted.
 
I give my husband (and children) much more leniency when they are hungry, sick, stressed, or tired. Considering that pregnancy for a lot of women means feeling a lot more of all of those things, it makes sense that some leniency would be given for an irritated word or other forgetting of minor social graces. 🤷
I didn’t really feel the angry hormones until the last trimester. They had the opposite effect on me. Mellow, mellow, mellow… I seriously felt so incompetent. I had a hard time doing simple math. The thought of using the sewing machine? Exhausting. Crazy.

But like I said, my friend didn’t really have much sickness or exhaustion.
 
I don’t think anyone is actually claiming that “hormones” are a free pass for a pregnant woman to treat people poorly. Much as “hormones” aren’t a free pass for a testosterone-soaked man to ogle other women, or even dabble in porn, masturbation, or even adultery.

But if a woman feels physically or mentally unwell due to pregnancy related issues, then I’d think she deserves some consideration of that, much as a man feeling unwell due to stresses at work deserve some consideration.
 
A little mercy and grace extended to our significant others, family, and friends, and even (perhaps especially?) total strangers can often do such a lot toward making life easier for everyone.

I do think that it can be absolutely appropriate, and loving, for the husband to draw his wife’s attention to the fact that her body may be playing tricks on her at the moment. It has certainly been helpful to me when my husband has done so, because it has allowed me to regain my perspective–no, the world is not crashing in on me; no, life does not cosmically suck; I’m feeling crabby because my hormones are out of whack. Makes me “feel” better, and also allows me not to bite off anyone’s head or otherwise behave inappropriately.

Incidentally, most times of being hormonal for me are period-related–not pregnancy-related. But women are all different; some have great equanimity no matter what their bodies are doing, some are thrown for a loop by everything, and many of us are somewhere in between.

So: I end as I started. Extend mercy and grace when you can. These are beautiful attributes of the Lord.
 
A little mercy and grace extended to our significant others, family, and friends, and even (perhaps especially?) total strangers can often do such a lot toward making life easier for everyone.

I do think that it can be absolutely appropriate, and loving, for the husband to draw his wife’s attention to the fact that her body may be playing tricks on her at the moment. It has certainly been helpful to me when my husband has done so, because it has allowed me to regain my perspective–no, the world is not crashing in on me; no, life does not cosmically suck; I’m feeling crabby because my hormones are out of whack. Makes me “feel” better, and also allows me not to bite off anyone’s head or otherwise behave inappropriately.

Incidentally, most times of being hormonal for me are period-related–not pregnancy-related. But women are all different; some have great equanimity no matter what their bodies are doing, some are thrown for a loop by everything, and many of us are somewhere in between.

So: I end as I started. Extend mercy and grace when you can. These are beautiful attributes of the Lord.
Ive had to learn the hard way. You’re not even safe post-menopause. The vicious crazy hormone cycle never EVER ends. I HATE being a woman. :banghead:
 
Ive had to learn the hard way. You’re not even safe post-menopause. The vicious crazy hormone cycle never EVER ends. I HATE being a woman. :banghead:
I started to complain to my Mom once about cycles. She looked at me and said, “I’m glad I’m a woman, and not a man. I like it.”

For some reason, that struck me as cosmic wisdom. My teenage self said, “Duh. That makes sense.”

Fortunately, I’ve never been too hormonal during non-pregnancy. A little weepiness is regular. Painful cramps though. Once in college, between spring and summer terms, I was by myself. No friends in town. No car. Cramps came on real sudden, and I had barely gotten out of the grocery store with some pain-killer before I had to lay down for an hour on the bench outside. I felt a bit vulnerable. I passed out a couple of times from cramps before. I finally learned to be more prepared.
 
…there are a few things that offend me about these discussions.

1-) sometimes I get the impression people are saying that all pregnant women are ‘nutso’ all the time. I find that offensive because I have seen several pregnant women behave in very competent manners in the office. So obviously pregnant women can do a lot of things right. That’s not to say they don’t need more rest, but they still can function just maybe not at 100%
There are people who act as if all pregnant women are afflicted with “prego-heimers” all of the time. Yes, pregnant women find that annoying, too, just as teens do. Nobody likes to be patronized or discounted for imaginary reasons or even reasons beyond their control. Many people would rather soldier on than to take advantage of allowances that they can manage without.

Having said that, I think we know that a person suffering from something like carbon monoxide poisoning can be the last to realize it. Likewise, it pays for people who are not pregnant to remember that women who are pregnant may be the last to realize that their pregnancy is robbing them of previously-attained mental or physical capacities.

If you put it in the perspective of having a health issue that a) can be seen a block away, b) can affect you in both in ways you are aware of and ways that you are not and c) is a health issue that you don’t want to be thought to have when you absolutely *do not *have it :eek:, I think simple empathy will suffice when it comes to what kind of allowance ought to be made, when, and how. Do what you can to understand the situation and do your best to make appropriate allowances.
2-) As a woman, there have been times I have been short tempered or made a thoughless action and I was not going through PMS. Why can I not fall into the category ‘humans make mistakes’? Why is there an insinuation that if a woman isn’t hormonal, she needs to be perfect
As I said above, I think this needs to fall into the category of legitimate mistake-causing issues that the person* with* the issue can be the last to see.

Yes, people do fall into unfair blanket principles: women should be perfect or you can’t depend on women because their hormones fluxuate, and the like. Stereotypes tend to put a person onto dangerous ground, leading to injustices and hurt feelings. Strong patterns in human behavior ought to be recognized and yet handled with great care, yes.

IOW: There is a ditch on both sides of this road, so drive with your eyes open.
3-) If a woman is pregnant, why can’t people simple be nice to her (ie offering her a seat on the bus, carrying her boxes) for the simple reason of being nice to a pregnant women? Why is there all of this psycho-analysis about hormones?
Again: Hormones are invisible actors that even the person affected by them may not recognize. Chemicals that act on the brain are like that, whether they are hormones or a foreign psychoactive substance like alcohol, caffeine or carbon monoxide.

Oh, and when you are pregnant, it seems as if everyone has an opinion about how you’re doing. I guess it is nature’s way of getting you ready for parenthood. 😃
By the way, it is NOT my intention to start a heated thread (even though I fear this is what it may turn into). My intention is to try and solve what I consider to be one of the main problems that has always plague all societies across all times ie the disrespect of how women were created. And I don’t think this is a problem that men are causing, I think it is a problem that society (ie even women) cause
There is a problem that cannot be helped: that is, that we aren’t mind readers and can’t diagnose even minor psychological issues with any great accuracy. The problem that can be helped is that we can anticipate and adjust to the real needs of others and resist their manipulations if we learn a bit more about human nature, pay better attention, and think twice before we act. Honest mistakes will still be made, but mercy must always cover that.
 
I started to complain to my Mom once about cycles. She looked at me and said, “I’m glad I’m a woman, and not a man. I like it.”

For some reason, that struck me as cosmic wisdom. My teenage self said, “Duh. That makes sense.”

Fortunately, I’ve never been too hormonal during non-pregnancy. A little weepiness is regular. Painful cramps though. Once in college, between spring and summer terms, I was by myself. No friends in town. No car. Cramps came on real sudden, and I had barely gotten out of the grocery store with some pain-killer before I had to lay down for an hour on the bench outside. I felt a bit vulnerable. I passed out a couple of times from cramps before. I finally learned to be more prepared.
I’m not glad at all. Being female has been an absolute nightmare for me, still is. 🤷

We’ve talked about it. My husband knows he got the better bargain being a guy. He wouldn’t trade places for all the money in the world. He says he doesn’t think most men would. :o
 
I’m not glad at all. Being female has been an absolute nightmare for me, still is. 🤷
I’m sorry. The problem is not being female. The problem is getting the share of trials peculiar to women that you’ve had to endure. I hope these problems pass, so you can enjoy the rest.
 
I’m sorry. The problem is not being female. The problem is getting the share of trials peculiar to women that you’ve had to endure. I hope these problems pass, so you can enjoy the rest.
Thank you! :hug1:

Maybe had I had some kids to offset all the negatives the past 22 years I’d be singing a different tune. 🤷 But it’s really quite pointless to suffer this much, for this long, without it. Just blech. :rolleyes:
 
A little mercy and grace extended to our significant others, family, and friends, and even (perhaps especially?) total strangers can often do such a lot toward making life easier for everyone.

I do think that it can be absolutely appropriate, and loving, for the husband to draw his wife’s attention to the fact that her body may be playing tricks on her at the moment. It has certainly been helpful to me when my husband has done so, because it has allowed me to regain my perspective–no, the world is not crashing in on me; no, life does not cosmically suck; I’m feeling crabby because my hormones are out of whack. Makes me “feel” better, and also allows me not to bite off anyone’s head or otherwise behave inappropriately.

Incidentally, most times of being hormonal for me are period-related–not pregnancy-related. But women are all different; some have great equanimity no matter what their bodies are doing, some are thrown for a loop by everything, and many of us are somewhere in between.

So: I end as I started. Extend mercy and grace when you can. These are beautiful attributes of the Lord.
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I sometimes get really, really grouchy/obsessive over minor things, and it’s usually hormonal. And, yes, I’m often the last to realize it. Having someone gently and lovingly point out that not finishing a project in a certain timeframe isn’t actually the end of the world, and is it possible that I’m hormonal? sometimes helps me reframe the situation appropriately.

For that matter, DH gets really whiny and depressed when his blood sugar is low. He can’t do aaaaaaanything for himself, and noooooooothing is okay, and it never wiilllllllll be. Just as I have given him “permission” to point out when I’m being unreasonable and hormonal, he’s told me it’s perfectly okay to tell him in those circumstances to sit down, shut up, eat something, and not talk again for ten minutes. I could just tell him to “man up,” or “deal with it,” or what-have-you, but that wouldn’t be nearly as productive, nor would it be particularly helpful for our marriage.

“Dear, you last ate at breakfast, and it’s now 5:30 in the evening. Please eat something right now, and I’ll be happy to discuss Topic after you’ve done so” isn’t demeaning; it’s being outside enough of a situation to realize what’s happening and offer my spouse an out. Helping your spouse is part of marriage.
 
Just make sure that potential employers don’t read this thread. Or any of Hillary’s opposition…
 
Just make sure that potential employers don’t read this thread. Or any of Hillary’s opposition…
Here’s something somewhat relevant:

“A paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences describes how Shai Danziger of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev and his colleagues followed eight Israeli judges for ten months as they ruled on over 1,000 applications made by prisoners to parole boards. The plaintiffs were asking either to be allowed out on parole or to have the conditions of their incarceration changed. The team found that, at the start of the day, the judges granted around two-thirds of the applications before them. As the hours passed, that number fell sharply (see chart), eventually reaching zero. But clemency returned after each of two daily breaks, during which the judges retired for food. The approval rate shot back up to near its original value, before falling again as the day wore on.”

economist.com/node/18557594
 
Here’s something somewhat relevant:

“A paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences describes how Shai Danziger of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev and his colleagues followed eight Israeli judges for ten months as they ruled on over 1,000 applications made by prisoners to parole boards. The plaintiffs were asking either to be allowed out on parole or to have the conditions of their incarceration changed. The team found that, at the start of the day, the judges granted around two-thirds of the applications before them. As the hours passed, that number fell sharply (see chart), eventually reaching zero. But clemency returned after each of two daily breaks, during which the judges retired for food. The approval rate shot back up to near its original value, before falling again as the day wore on.”

economist.com/node/18557594
Wow! That’s both very interesting and a bit frightening if your the one being judged! :o
 
Here’s something somewhat relevant:

“A paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences describes how Shai Danziger of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev and his colleagues followed eight Israeli judges for ten months as they ruled on over 1,000 applications made by prisoners to parole boards. The plaintiffs were asking either to be allowed out on parole or to have the conditions of their incarceration changed. The team found that, at the start of the day, the judges granted around two-thirds of the applications before them. As the hours passed, that number fell sharply (see chart), eventually reaching zero. But clemency returned after each of two daily breaks, during which the judges retired for food. The approval rate shot back up to near its original value, before falling again as the day wore on.”

economist.com/node/18557594
Perhaps women could submit thier cycles to employers and then recieve the necessary time off. Paid of course through short term disability…😉
 
Sweeeeeeeeeeet! 😃

Maybe you should run for president! 😉 👍
I’m obviously the right gender! 😃

We were joking as a family a while ago that daddy is smarter and better than mommy. The kids pointed it that mommy is the employed one. I pointed out that I educate them all. My wife pointed out that she is the “decider”. I laughed and asked the kids who the real " decider" was. They split 50 50 on the answer. (The little one is too young to cast the deciding vote). I ended the debate with the sheer fact that only I could be president. My eldest daughter looked at me with contempt and said that a woman president could be a better option. I laughed and pointed out mommy could not be president and I could. This started a gender war at the dinner table. After a few minutes I quietly pointed out that my wife’s inability to lead our country had nothing to do with her gender, but her age…

I’m now the ultimate decider in the family… At least until the 2020 election…
 
Just make sure that potential employers don’t read this thread. Or any of Hillary’s opposition…
Lol.

Original sin threw a lot of things out of whack. “In pain you shall bring forth children” doesn’t just apply to actual childbirth. It isn’t liberating to ignore biology, which is something a lot of feminists excel at. What feminists have realized is that the work-world really is geared for men; or people who aren’t the primary child-care deliverers. Where they go wrong is to ignore or override biology. There’s a reason working women tend to have fewer or no children. Some women really are incapacitated by their biology, though that’s not the majority.

I think if we’re going to inculcate a culture of life, respecting woman’s biology is a great place to start. Women do have abortions because their employers won’t put up with their biology, or because it physically interfered with work. I thought this was obvious, so I’m not meaning to lecture. Maybe I’m sensitive to this because of the nature of my volunteer work. Maybe I would feel different if I weren’t the primary child-care, and could leave for work everyday. If I were a single career woman, I know I’d have not a clue, and not be sympathetic. Because I had no clue.

All this reminds me of the “man-cold” skit. Very funny two minutes.
 
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