Woman hating online

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I have no idea what goes on in SSPX forums, churches and chapels, but they are not in communion with the Vatican. I do not support schismatic movements.

I am fine with TLM. I was at one last night, in a dress and a veil.

I am also fine with any of the traditional groups who are in communion with Rome.

I do not see any more woman-hating in the Church (any sector of the Church) than I do in society at large. “Ain’t nobody got time for that.”
 
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Pretty sure on average, parishioners of FSSP parishes bring more women into the world than those of non-FSSP parishes.
 
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I thought the OP was originally referring to hate-speech that she saw on other forums, but some to be saying that such woman-hating speech is also found here on CAF.

I personally have never seen this here, ever. And if someone did start ranting like that, he or she would be immediately jumped on and flagged into oblivion.

So I don’t know what the OP expects us to do about whackos on other forums. You’re going to see crazy people saying all sorts of nasty stuff all over the internet.

That type of misogynistic speech doesn’t represent Christ or his followers, so either:
  1. Ignore it
  2. Call such posters out on it when you see it
Or
  1. Stay away from those forums and stick to better-moderated forums like CAF
But don’t judge all Christians based on some nuts on the internet.
 
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Well, I asked the simple question of why is the sspx schismatic and I got a helpful answer. That’s not a tangent. The person admitted that they aren’t formally condemned but that he wouldn’t recommend it. Well then, it’s not condemned. Okay.

I said ‘let’s be kind’ because I expected people to be ruffled by this. Other women have agreed with me and were dismissed automatically by some. Why can’t you believe what someone has said without saying ‘prove it’. That’s a problem right there.

No it’s not an issue IN mass obviously. I’m not staring at people trying to see if they will glare at me. It’s mostly online and through hearsay where real feelings are revealed. Such as, ’ oh, yes, my friend has a daughter who has been taught by her father etc etc’. People don’t talk to each other that way they do on the internet as in real life.

Of course, we can’t force people what to feel. The saints were very concerned with how Catholic society was doing and discussed it a lot. They then influenced people in real life.

If everyone shuts an eye and says, it will be solved some way or another then nobody will solve it. There is a huge schism in the church and we should try to help out the people on the other side. Going above and beyond, yes?

As for examples, you probably don’t want to visit websites such as cathinfo, suscipe domine, mundabor and fisheaters if you believe they are schismatic. The truth is that a lot of them attend your fssp. You may have met some without knowing it. Your daughters will meet them, maybe date them. I’m serious when I say that they have gone to fssp many times. We do not live in a bubble and we shouldn’t pretend that these people aren’t living human beings who affect the Faith.

So, no, I don’t think it’s dumb to discuss it. Also, if I could go to hell for attending sspx sometimes I would like to know why. I would like to think that you don’t want me to go to hell either and maybe reason with me. I’m an open person.
 
And no, I don’t expect people to do anything. Just nicely discuss
 
Not directed at me but for me the kind of woman hating I’ve seen in Catholic/Christian forums tends to come in the form of single men who are bitter that the Catholic women they choose aren’t interested in them.

The hate comes in the form of:

“Women are too shallow and rejected me because I’m too short.”

“Women are too emotional and can’t logic properly.”

“Women aren’t capable of understanding deep theology like men are.”

“Women shouldn’t ever be allowed to teach men in any capacity because they’re supposed to be subservient…”

On top of this there tends to be this idea that women are lesser and should always defer to a man’s judgment and when you refuse to fall in line words like the B word and C word get thrown around with surprising ease.

I have NOT seen that in this forum but I’ve only been here a few days. I have seen it in other Christian forums and in one other Catholic group (a Facebook group though). I was pretty hated there as I wasn’t meek, mild and willing to bow to their judgment just because they were men. Needless to say I left that particular Catholic group as I didn’t appreciate being name-called anytime I disagreed with what the men were saying.

You might not describe it as hate but there is definitely a very hateful undertone that I truly believe is born from bitterness and rejection. If you haven’t seen it - I’m glad for you! Just means I’ve clearly been stumbling on the wrong kind of crowds. LOL
 
Okay. Blaming Catholic women for feminism. Teaching sons and daughters that women are inherently inferior and should not speak about political subjects or anything too serious. Telling women that they are ‘emotional’ in arguments to silence them. Only men are rational enough to have an opinion on certain things. Dismissing the experiences of women outright. Crying out ‘feminism!’ when concern about a men’s issue is raised. Childbirth is not a big deal and men can endure things more painful. Stay at home moms don’t do much and are worthless. Taking care of children isn’t hard. Women in jobs are inherently inferior to their working peers. Women don’t need sexual pleasure even though st. Alphonsus defended this. Saints are right until they defend women. Um, I’m running out of ideas haha
 
Oh and the theology! Yes the theology! Almost always is that not our area
 
IN fairness other women don’t help. Our Sister used to dismiss any theological discussions because it was ‘too hard for us to understand’.
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It’s not a problem that people are asking for at least one example. In fact, it would be a problem if we just believed any claim people make on here.
 
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you probably don’t want to visit websites such as cathinfo, suscipe domine, mundabor and fisheaters
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I rarely visit those sites. The few times I have, it’s usually to get some piece of technical information, only.
The truth is that a lot of them attend your fssp.
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Let’s set aside the fact that I do not have a personal FSSP. Yes, there are hateful people in society, and some of them are in the Church. Probably also in the non-trad areas of the Church as well. When I am at church, I am worshipping Jesus, not having discussions with other church-goers to see how they feel about women or anything else, unless they are someone my family has known for decades in which case they usually are an elderly woman and not hating on women.
You may have met some without knowing it.
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I’ve probably also met all manner of haters and bigots without knowing it, since “met” could mean “met them for 5 minutes while they sold me some donuts at a shop”.
Your daughters will meet them, maybe date them.
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I’m childless, but if my daughter, other younger female relative or friend was dating a hater I would say or do something about it. Furthermore, any daughter of mine would be taught to boot such a guy the minute he got out of line, the same way my mother taught me to do it and her mother taught her to do it. Hateful men come in all religious persuasions and from everyplace you meet men.

I’m still waiting for you to tell us exactly what we’re supposed to do about this besides call out hatefulness when we see it, flag it on a forum, and train our kids if we have any not to be like that and to run from that stuff.
 
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Not much anyone can do except raise sons to respect women and raise daughters to respect men. As it stands, people are who they are and the internet is what it is.
 
I guess that’s true. Well, maybe the problem can’t be solved. I will admit to that. Just thought I would point it out.

I don’t look for gossip. People talk about it. Again, not IN church. Outside.

I just think that in general people are very apathetic about issues that don’t affect them personally. Especially on the internet. Talking about issues on public forums helps out the anonymous people who read them.

Fauken posted an excellent example of catholic misogyny on fisheaters if that example would suffice.

So, I will admit there isn’t really a solution that I can think of. That’s why I asked.

When I say you or your, I mean generally not personally. Of course, you might not have daughters.
 
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I honestly didn’t do a ton of research but found this within moments of browsing another Catholic site.

Feminism exists because women were allowed to vote and allowing women to vote was bad.

This is the kind of attitude we are speaking about as being problematic.

I don’t generally make a habit of screenshotting people’s posts but… people wanted proof. I cropped out the users name and the forum it came from because I don’t feel it’s my right to be sharing that sort of thing.
 
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Okay, right. I shouldn’t go online then. I shouldn’t seek out the Catholic community that does a really terrible job of being available in real life.

Let’s be honest here, there aren’t any Catholic mommy groups, there are no venues for catholics to meet as friends and no Catholic culture at all. That is why people are driven online at times to see if anyone else is having Catholic lifestyle problems. But yeah, just give up on going online.
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Is there something wrong with the Parenting forum here?
Our parish had a few ladies who were tired of not having a Catholic mothers group, so they approached the pastor and started a Catholic mothers’ group. It meets on the same night as the catechism classes for children attending public school, but it is open to any of the parish women who want to come. The time frame works for the moms who have children old enough to be in CCD…they don’t drop the children off and leave, but drop the children off and go to their own meeting.
If you start such a group, I’d advise inviting the women with older children, too. They have lots of experience.
Obviously, a lot of time is taken up with charitable work–that is, quite a bit of my socializing with women in my parish has been before or after church cleaning or putting on funeral luncheons–but the daily Mass goers in our parish also have organized walking in the mall for exercise before Mass and sometimes breakfast or some such afterwards. It does tend to be retired people and stay-at-home parents, but such is life. The rest of the parish is so busy during the week that it is tough to find a time to meet.
 
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Okay. Blaming Catholic women for feminism. Teaching sons and daughters that women are inherently inferior and should not speak about political subjects or anything too serious. Telling women that they are ‘emotional’ in arguments to silence them. Only men are rational enough to have an opinion on certain things. Dismissing the experiences of women outright. Crying out ‘feminism!’ when concern about a men’s issue is raised. Childbirth is not a big deal and men can endure things more painful. Stay at home moms don’t do much and are worthless. Taking care of children isn’t hard. Women in jobs are inherently inferior to their working peers. Women don’t need sexual pleasure even though st. Alphonsus defended this. Saints are right until they defend women. Um, I’m running out of ideas haha
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Well, there are people on the internet who don’t believe a human being has ever visited the moon, either. Anybody with a keyboard can post whatever they want, so those who have no hope of any person they know ever taking them seriously always have the internet. It is free, and therefore worth what we pay for it!! The price paid is in sorting through the dross to get to what is worthwhile for us.
 
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That’s an interesting thought. People who post rabidly post because nobody would talk to them in real life. That could be true.

Which kind of solves the problem, I guess. No spreading of the idea. But the big mgtow started on the internet in masses of lonely men so maybe not.
 
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You know, I think you’re quite right. I should stop browsing those places completely. Too much negativity. I will stay away.
 
It’s honestly the best way to do it! Find more tightly monitored groups where there’s far fewer examples of such behavior and when you DO see such things just scroll by and walk away. That’s how I’ve learned to handle it. It was worse when I first converted because I wanted to find Catholic friends but now I’m just like: Eh. If I do, I do. If I don’t, I don’t.
 
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