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Paul_89_33
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NO !!!
from where you get you brief answer ?
from Quarn or Sunnah or what exectly ?
you answer is false
and YES muslim can intercourse with captives women in these days
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from where you get you brief answer ?
from Quarn or Sunnah or what exectly ?
you answer is false
and YES muslim can intercourse with captives women in these days
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elwill
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Paul
your view about islam as a nonmuslims is clear to me , you don’t need to continously repeat the same posts
your view about islam as a nonmuslims is clear to me , you don’t need to continously repeat the same posts
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Paul_89_33
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first : just for explanation i’m not a non-muslim but i’m an ex-muslim
second : i repet my important post just to find any muslim can talk about his religion and very knowing about it
so i don’t have any problem in that’s also my post are for as the non muslims as the muslims
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planten
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**Paul, an ex-muslim is also a non-muslim. You can’t be travelling in two boats at once. Perhaps you want to profess some knowledge about islam.first : just for explanation i’m not a non-muslim but i’m an ex-muslim
second : i repet my important post just to find any muslim can talk about his religion and very knowing about it
so i don’t have any problem in that’s also my post are for as the non muslims as the muslims
I had also seconded Elwill about using the captives after marriage only. Some Muslim scholars have said that. I had the proof but I cannot recollect it now. WE do not know what you are talking about with your brief posts. We have told you many things about the belief about the slaves.
It appears that you had no problem with anything except some small point. I cannot understand why you are stressing the use of captives. What the muslim people have been doing is no concern of Islam. Likewise what the christians are doing (using the non-captives without marriage) perhaps you can explain that to us now.**
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Paul_89_33
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huh sorry ?
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so from where you get this information ?
please if you want talk … just talk with proofs or don’t at all
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no man i’m sorry i have all the problem with islam this fake and false religion
because i just write about slaves women how can the muslim buy a woman … anythong had a relation with women in islam that it
but what you said is not true
it’s a real and true exemple for the position of women in islam
don’t you denounce the slavery for women as slaves just for sex ?
if you don’t i’ll doubt in your humanity honestly
what is exactly ?
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Hadi
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Paul_89_33
Just curious …where are you from ? and could you tell us about your conversion story.
Just curious …where are you from ? and could you tell us about your conversion story.
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ZAKI
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paul_89_33 is not a former muslim-bcz he would know that ibn Umar (ra) was not the best muslim islamically after Muhammed (pbuh)'s death and yet he said he was.
wasalam
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Jay53
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Does this encompass the Islamic view of marriage - it’s all about the “rights” and “responsibilities” with regard to material things as opposed the spiritual union between a husband and wife as sanctioned by God? As long as a man gives a woman “rights” he can have sex with her? If so, I find that to be a very sad view of marriage. I don’t believe that is what God prescribes for us.
What would be the difference then between what was referred to here as “common law” marriage (where people who lived together for a number of years without actually getting married were legally considered “married” and as such had the legal rights/responsibilities of a married couple, but without an actual marriage ceremony) and the situation with a master/slave in Islam? Would Muslims consider a “common law marriage” acceptable? (Just FYI, I don’t know if any states in the U.S. even recognize “common law” anymore and it is definitely not acceptable in Catholicism.
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Paul_89_33
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HADI i’m from this world i’ll tell you more about my conversion story later
and i’m sure 100/100 that’s the way my new way is the right " i mean leaving islam " this fake sick terrorist religion
i mean he’s from the best of the best muslims
and i support my saying by a Hadith of Aicha
now i’ll more add about this man and his position and his importance in islam " hope that’s you understand Arabic , you and the brother HADI
" sorry brothers i’ll translate the article if you want "
i’m sorry for you ZAKI to telling you that’s as a former muslim i know very well about islam than you
and i’m sure 100/100 that’s the way my new way is the right " i mean leaving islam " this fake sick terrorist religion
- now about ibn omar
i mean he’s from the best of the best muslims
and i support my saying by a Hadith of Aicha
now i’ll more add about this man and his position and his importance in islam " hope that’s you understand Arabic , you and the brother HADI
that your Sahabi and his story by islamic scholars and not from me
" sorry brothers i’ll translate the article if you want "
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ZAKI
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okay then-who was the best muslim after Muhammed (pbuh)'s death? also name me the ten who were promised paradise? sorry for questioning u but ur the first so called ex muslim who has calls islam a terrorist religion-and ive seen heaps of ******** ex-muslim vids made by christiansHADI i’m from this world i’ll tell you more about my conversion story later
i’m sorry for you ZAKI to telling you that’s as a former muslim i know very well about islam than you
and i’m sure 100/100 that’s the way my new way is the right " i mean leaving islam " this fake sick terrorist religion
First : i did not say that he’s the best muslim but i said that he’s from the best
- now about ibn omar
i mean he’s from the best of the best muslims
and i support my saying by a Hadith of Aicha
now i’ll more add about this man and his position and his importance in islam " hope that’s you understand Arabic , you and the brother HADI
that your Sahabi and his story by islamic scholars and not from me
" sorry brothers i’ll translate the article if you want "
wasalam
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ZAKI
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btw, i dont know arabic too well bcz i am a convert to islam-i can read the Quran but that’s as far it goes.
wasalam
wasalam
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Hadi
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I think Paul is sincere…I guess he is probably from North Africa (no??)…he has the right to choose whatever he believes…I’m actually glad to see him here…and yes ,most the videos on the internet about the convert come from Iranian Shias or non/Arabic Sunnis who have little knowledge about Islam …but hey ,I’ve seen some genuinely converts who did so after deep study …I just wanted him to drop the angry tone in his language to better engage in a civil discussion…
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planten
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elwill
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i was trying to to descripe the difference between the relation in marriage and the relation out of marriage (regardless of the concept " marriage" )Does this encompass the Islamic view of marriage - it’s all about the “rights” and “responsibilities” with regard to material things as opposed the spiritual union between a husband and wife as sanctioned by God? As long as a man gives a woman “rights” he can have sex with her? If so, I find that to be a very sad view of marriage. I don’t believe that is what God prescribes for us.
What would be the difference then between what was referred to here as “common law” marriage (where people who lived together for a number of years without actually getting married were legally considered “married” and as such had the legal rights/responsibilities of a married couple, but without an actual marriage ceremony) and the situation with a master/slave in Islam? Would Muslims consider a “common law marriage” acceptable? (Just FYI, I don’t know if any states in the U.S. even recognize “common law” anymore and it is definitely not acceptable in Catholicism.
the relation is the same in christianity , the marriage means responsibility , but adultery means no more than sexual satisfaction and have a fun
anyway , you didn’t comment about this verse which revealed later in madinah
4-25 - If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: and God hath full knowledge about your faith. ye are one from another:** wed them with the leave of their owners**, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: they should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. this (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self restraint. and God is oft forgiving, most merciful.
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GraceDK
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Hey Sam.
Thanks for summing up these distasteful things in Islam, that we already know about.
Yesterday I read on the news: "Liberia: 8 year old girl was gang raped. After that her Liberian family didn’t want her to come home from the hospital. They cut her off from the family saying: “She cast shame on us”.
How SICK is that… Just imagine being that girl.
She had no value to them as a beloved daughter, sister or anything… only as a walk-around virginity under a veil.
Recently a study was made by Arab researchers about the human right situation in the Arab world. The many-paged report that came out said clearly that women have no rights in the Arab world… So many are abused or beaten at home and the Islamic systems do not help them at all.
In Christianity the measure of everything is LOVE. In Islamic cultures the measure of everything is honour… a false honour I may add.
youtube.com/watch?v=up3yuQDAWKQ
Thanks for summing up these distasteful things in Islam, that we already know about.
Yesterday I read on the news: "Liberia: 8 year old girl was gang raped. After that her Liberian family didn’t want her to come home from the hospital. They cut her off from the family saying: “She cast shame on us”.
How SICK is that… Just imagine being that girl.
She had no value to them as a beloved daughter, sister or anything… only as a walk-around virginity under a veil.
Recently a study was made by Arab researchers about the human right situation in the Arab world. The many-paged report that came out said clearly that women have no rights in the Arab world… So many are abused or beaten at home and the Islamic systems do not help them at all.
In Christianity the measure of everything is LOVE. In Islamic cultures the measure of everything is honour… a false honour I may add.
youtube.com/watch?v=up3yuQDAWKQ
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Hadi
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Do you have any evidence that the Liberian girl was Muslim ??Yesterday I read on the news: "Liberia: 8 year old girl was gang raped. After that her Liberian family didn’t want her to come home from the hospital. They cut her off from the family saying: “She cast shame on us”.
How SICK is that… Just imagine being that girl.
She had no value to them as a beloved daughter, sister or anything… only as a walk-around virginity under a veil.
why do you say Arab then Islam then Islamic cultures …which one is the problem ??
btw , the middle east is “honor culture” and that include Christians and Jews…maybe it’s hard to figure out for outsiders…but we know very well …it’s very middle eastern
proud to be a Muslim…
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GraceDK
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“Heaven for a muslima is under the foot of her husband”.Do you have any evidence that the Liberian girl was Muslim ??
why do you say Arab then Islam then Islamic cultures …which one is the problem ??
btw , the middle east is “honor culture” and that include Christians and Jews…maybe it’s hard to figure out for outsiders…but we know very well …it’s very middle eastern
proud to be a Muslim…
Interesting saying… can’t remember which Hadith it was.
Your pride means little to me.
Your dignity is as a human person, created by the true God, not by adhering to a false religious system.
Actually we never hear about honour killings among Jews and Christians in the Middle East. Even when I lived there there was never a case about it.
There was a case rather about a Christian boy and a Muslim girl who fell in love, gave way to temptation and had premarital sex. The Muslims avenged that breach of honour by burning down half a Christian town. This was in Palestine by the way.
If you want, you may give me at least three believable news articles about Christians and Jews who commit honour killings (violence or murder of a woman who was believed to cast shame on her family or clan because of her becoming too western, dismissing the man her family wanted her to marry, or having a boyfriend who did not adhere to her fathers religion).
Muslims have the honour-mentality everywhere. Why? Because Muhammad had it… study his thirst for revenge when people didnt like him or didnt believe in him. Even in my country we have women from all over the Middle East whose brothers act as policemen to them, whose uncles and fathers beat them or kill them if they do not adhere to the muslim norms.
How about admitting reality.
It strikes me as odd… we are on a webpage about religion. That is, questions about truth. Yet you think that dismissing facts and saying false things have a place here.
May I recommend you to read the book: “The trouble of Islam” by Irshad Manji. She is a Muslim who admits the idiotic tendencies within Muslim groups and she does not try to explain them away by creating false stories about other people…
. and for that I respect her.
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elwill
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it’s a main condition in marriage contract for the woman to accept , but being slave it’s necessery for her owner to accept the marriage in the first place
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ZAKI
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you can’t remember the hadith because it doesn’t exist
you have just changed the hadith which says, “heaven for a son/daughter lies under the foot of their mother”… can’t stand liars
if you can’t respect what makes us proud then why should we respect what makes you proud?
Another thing, honour killings is not islamic-it may be arabian but not islamic. In islam, the women is a victim in rape crimes and the rapists are punished…get that into your head.
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elwill
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you wanna to raise the issue of honour killing ignoring the fact that it was encouraged in the holy book of christians and jews , and ignoring the fact that muslims repeatedly says to you that this type of crimes not islamic
such type of crimes dosn’t happened in the west becuase it’s norm in thier culture to commit adultery it’s because they are not devout christians anymore , not because christianity is love
modesty of women in the west have no value and such relations cause no anger in the family , and any crime actually happens cause of anger
such type of crimes dosn’t happened in the west becuase it’s norm in thier culture to commit adultery it’s because they are not devout christians anymore , not because christianity is love
modesty of women in the west have no value and such relations cause no anger in the family , and any crime actually happens cause of anger
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