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The reasons why things don’t make sense is because you keep changing the subject. I was talking about giving men the excuse to lust, nobody was making that point.
 
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Someone mentioned ovulation, and I do think that might play a huge role in the misperceptions of men’s and women’s sexuality. Men do experience hormonal variation but less, and women’s constantly changes. For a woman who’s pregnant or nursing most of her childbearing years, it would be really, really easy to think that she has a low sex drive most of the time. But that same woman, when she ovulates, could be completely different (and it might be extra difficult if it’s not a situation you’re dealing with constantly, too!)

Now I’m going to pat myself on the back for actually reading all of these posts. 😝
 
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So you put women on a pedestal by the sounds of it?
I personally don’t agree with a lot of feminist thinking or “gender neutralness” etc and I agree with you about motherhood but you lost me when you seemed to suggest that purity was more profound in women then men and that men are more ‘accepting’ of seeing sin in a man then in a woman…

Women are special,and men are special…not because one gender is called to some higher Virtuousness than the other but because (hu)man was made in the image of God.
God made the genders different,but not one with higher purity expectancies or capacities than another.

Do you mind saying which nationality you are from?
I know that this type of mindset can be found in some men from the Middle East countries and this mindset is actually very bad for society as it puts women on pedestals and expects some higher form of behaviour from them while at the same time tolerating/subtly accepting in society when a man acts impure because they reason that a man is less capable for purity then woman.
You mentioned “old days” but what this really is Middle Ages thinking/ignorance.
 
Wrong. This thread is moving quite fast. I was still responding to your earlier comments.
 
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no. I do believe that women are called to be holy as are men, and yet the woman’s call is different because she is designed by God for motherhood - and motherhood, motherliness, is a totally different vocation in the sight of God, than men have from Him.
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We are all designed by God for sainthood. Women are not primarily designed for motherhood. That is a gross misunderstanding of things. It also totally negates the celibate and infertile of both sexes. If you want to posit that argument then you must also say men are designed for fatherhood.

But these things are not true, each call is very different. Vocation does not come down to Priesthood and motherhood
 
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Sin degrades men and sin degrades women - men expect it of other men, men do not want to see it in a woman. She is special.
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Women don’t want to see sin either, in men or women, just as men dont want to see sin in other men.

Yet sin is everywhere because we are all sinners
 
I’m quite partial to Sean Connerys James Bond in his terry towelling playsuit;)
 
He literally said the women should be as virtuous as men, so I would think that would mean that they should all trying to be chaste. Looks more like an explanation and observation on why society behaves this way and not an actual opinion.
 
@seriusquestion,

I’m not sure if it was personal opinion or social commentary.
Even if social commentary,what is meant to be made of this comment?

“men expect it of other men, men do not want to see it in a woman. She is special.”
 
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Women are special, and different in many ways - ways which are designed by their Creator and Designer for their unique vocation and service to humanity, again, by design.

One has to read and listen to Scripture very carefully - slowly - humbly - and many times - to hear more and more of God’s Holy Wisdom in the precious words of Scripture. Scripture is “the Word of God” in several senses, more of His mystery - to put so much in the words of His Word.

Specific to this discussion, listen to the Genesis account of the creation of the man and the woman, Genesis chapter 2. Listen to the creation of the man (Gen 2:7) and listen to the creation of the woman (Gen 2:21-24). They were made very differently - and for a divine purpose and intention. Everything that God says and does advances His holy plan, and intention - and Self-revelation to humanity. If you want to, you can begin to understand more and more of Him, and His purposes, and our purposes! if you want to, and will pray for wisdom, and listen attentively as a disciple, and want to grow in holy understanding.

Look and the body of the woman! Look at the body of the man! See what Adam saw, and see what Eve saw - and hear his song of thanksgiving, hear the mutual calling of each to the other. Each calling was different, as each was fitted differently for their calling, as each was created differently. And together, all was in God’s eyes “very good.”
 
Personally I agree with what you stating here regarding men and women being different.
What I’m trying to get clarification though,is whether you put women on a pedestal and believe that women are more capable and expected to have purity more then men?

Can you please clarify what was meant by this comment in case I have misunderstood what you were saying?
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men expect it of other men, men do not want to see it in a woman…”
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If a man is disappointed to learn that women have sin and ability for lustful thoughts/abilities,then this would suggest a distorted view of womanhood and like putting women on pedestals and would suggest the madonna-whore dichotomy that someelse suggested above.

If any men seriously doubt that women can lust then they need to watch some of those superficial UK Love Island type shows or some of Lana Del Reys music clips.
 
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First of all, I hope you can see, and are not offended, by the fact that God chooses different people for different roles in HIs work. Those whom He chooses He enables. Those chosen for one ministry are enabled for that ministry. Those chosen for a different ministry are enabled differently, for that different ministry. God has many works to be done, and He calls different persons for different works, and fits them differently so they can accomplish what He sends them to do.

Are you with me so far?
 
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I’m with you so far but not sure the connection to lust/purity between the genders etc?
 
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I have to stop here for a while - I’ll return later today, Lord willing, to continue…
 
A few minutes before I have to go… This below from “Dignity of Women” - Pope St, John Paul II. I would relate all this to the specifically maternal vocation of the woman - which extends not merely to her own children, if any, but to all persons.

From St. JPII:

MD 30. A woman’s dignity is closely connected with the love which she receives by the very reason of her femininity; it is likewise connected with the love which she gives in return. … “Man, who is the only creature on earth that God willed for its own sake, cannot fully find himself except through a sincere gift of self”. This applies to every human being, as a person created in God’s image, whether man or woman. This ontological affirmation also indicates the ethical dimension of a person’s vocation. Woman can only find herself by giving love to others.

…. While the dignity of woman witnesses to the love which she receives in order to love in return, the biblical “exemplar” of the Woman also seems to reveal the true order of love which constitutes woman’s own vocation. ….

The moral and spiritual strength of a woman is joined to her awareness that God entrusts the human being to her in a special way. Of course, God entrusts every human being to each and every other human being. But this entrusting concerns women in a special way - precisely by reason of their femininity - and this in a particular way determines their vocation.

The moral force of women, which draws strength from this awareness and this entrusting, expresses itself in a great number of figures of the Old Testament, of the time of Christ, and of later ages right up to our own day.

A woman is strong because of her awareness of this entrusting, strong because of the fact that God “entrusts the human being to her”, always and in every way, even in the situations of social discrimination in which she may find herself. This awareness and this fundamental vocation speak to women of the dignity which they receive from God himself, and this makes them “strong” and strengthens their vocation.
 
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