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chrisse said:
The Palestinian people are given so much money from foreign aid they do not have to work nor produce anything. They are producing babies though, all on foreign aid $, and these same babies are being indoctrinated into savage suicide killers. Disgusting, both on our part, in encouraging and ignoring this by continuing with foreign aid, and on the part of the Islamic ideology on which it is based.
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Actually, depending on whose numbers you use, 70-90% of the aid money sent to them is lost to graft and corruption or used to buy weapons/build bombs. Even if 100% of it made it to the people, would you want a large bunch of welfare families who do nothing for your economy?

The Palestinians are, by and large, poor and poorly educated. That is why the other Muslims want them back in Palestine. At one time, in Kuwate, it was not a crime to run over a Palestinian with your car!!
 
Booklover said:
For thirty years of his life, Jesus lived an ordinary life just like the rest of us!

Excuse me, but your books are full of the most unspeakable cruelty and immoral behaviour as exemplified by your prophet Muhammad!

Vickie

Vickie
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** Booklover, You mean Jesus lived the thrity years of his life as a common man. So he must have married too and did all sorts of things that we do. ??? But why there is no record of that at all. Was there something to hide?? Surely…

About the life of Muhammad, it is the most perfect and beautiful life as anybody (man) could have on earth. It was heavenly life on earth. You are again and again referring to some books which are not reliable. Those (some) traditions in books of Hadith are as false as some words (verses) in the BibleNT written by the scribes who were sinners. So do not trust any of those things. Don’t trust the sinners too. Try to keep away.**
 
ralphinal said:
Actually, depending on whose numbers you use, 70-90% of the aid money sent to them is lost to graft and corruption or used to buy weapons/build bombs. Even if 100% of it made it to the people, would you want a large bunch of welfare families who do nothing for your economy?

The Palestinians are, by and large, poor and poorly educated. That is why the other Muslims want them back in Palestine. At one time, in Kuwate, it was not a crime to run over a Palestinian with your car!!
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It makes me wonder, if any muslim in the world, or even muslims in this forum appreciate the aid given by the USA to muslim countries. I mean, if they hate us now that we are giving aid to some of them, what more if we stop giving aids to them?
 
ferdie said:
It makes me wonder, if any muslim in the world, or even muslims in this forum appreciate the aid given by the USA to muslim countries. I mean, if they hate us now that we are giving aid to some of them, what more if we stop giving aids to them?
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Why would a slave master appreciate a slave? Why would a muslim appreciate a dhimmi paying the jiyza tax as commanded by allah? I mean, dhimmi’s have to, they are just doing what they must do. After all, muslims are their superiors. 😃

The jiyza after all is protection money. But that protection can be withheld at any time, and by any muslim, just by making false claims against the dhimmi. The dhimmi cannot give evidence against a muslim.

Simple really, allah’s justice - so it must be just. 🤷
 
ferdie said:
It makes me wonder, if any muslim in the world, or even muslims in this forum appreciate the aid given by the USA to muslim countries. I mean, if they hate us now that we are giving aid to some of them, what more if we stop giving aids to them?
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That’s the price of being on top. When you give aid the people that you don’t help hate you. If you don’t help at all everyone hates you for your greed. These attitudes are often contradictory.

I remember a conversation I had with a Persian buddy of mine. He was always very critical of US politics. Which is understandable since the US dubbed his homeland as part of the axis of evil. I asked him once if what country he thought would be better as a super power, and he immediately answered “none”. He felt the US was easily the best country to hold that position. I thought it was interesting.
 
ferdie said:
It makes me wonder, if any muslim in the world, or even muslims in this forum appreciate the aid given by the USA to muslim countries. I mean, if they hate us now that we are giving aid to some of them, what more if we stop giving aids to them?
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** I am sure the muslims understand and appreciate the aids **that USA is providing to the world.
 
planten said:
** Booklover, You mean Jesus lived the thrity years of his life as a common man. So he must have married too and did all sorts of things that we do. ??? But why there is no record of that at all. Was there something to hide?? Surely…**
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Why should there be any record of his early life? Will there be a record of your life or mine after we die? What is really important is what He achieved in the last 3 years of his life. He came to live as one of us and to die for all of us and by living an early life of obscurity he proved the dignity and value of an ordinary life.

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About the life of Muhammad, it is the most perfect and beautiful life as anybody (man) could have on earth. It was heavenly life on earth. You are again and again referring to some books which are not reliable. Those (some) traditions in books of Hadith are as false as some words (verses) in the BibleNT written by the scribes who were sinners. So do not trust any of those things. Don’t trust the sinners too. Try to keep away.
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Since we are all sinners, you’re saying not to trust anyone!

Vickie
 
chrisse said:
No Sister Amy, you have proved yourself a lazy and incompetent debater with your unsubstantiated claims and throwaway insults. You link to sources you don’t even read or authenticate. Any replies from me to you now, will not have sources, do you do not deserve such until you lift your debating game here.

Honor Killing is explicitly in the qur’an and under shariah law there is no death penalty for it. I HAVE provided the sources for that 3 times on this board. And in threads you were active in. They were in reply to Muslim Woman.

Sister Amy being called a liar by a muslim has no impact on me. Hysterical, an adherent of the ideology of Islam wherein lying is prescribed for them calling someone else a liar. Also hypocritical of them. I am not lying, so it’s just empty name calling on your part.

On circumcision, the hadith in question doesn’t stop it. Mohammed just said don’t cut too much as it’s better for the husband and for the woman. Thereby, as a result, female circumcision has remained in the Islamic world, infecting the societies where it holds a majority, and leading to abuses of FGM with devastating results. They cannot ban it in Islam, because the most perfect man of hate and decadence that muslims must try to imitate, Mohammed, DID NOT ban it, he condoned it.
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Excellent post, Chrisse:thumbsup: 👍

Here, once again, is the quotation from Dawud which states plainly that Muhammad condoned FGM:
*Book 41, Number 5251: *
Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah:
A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.
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Vickie
 
Sister_Amy said:
I just finished taking a class almost 30 hours long on the biography of Muhammad. I’ve read the Qur’an in its entirety and I read it often.

And I’m the only telling you that this nonsense you’re preaching ain’t there. I never find it in my books, I never hear it from my teachers. If Muslims aren’t teaching it, then the obvious answer is that you’re just making it up.
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Accusing others of making things up which are readily available on the internet is grabbing at straws and shows you’re getting desperate. Your dawa is not working!

Vickie
 
For those who are interested, here are the testimonies of two women converts to Islam who finally left this cult of domination. Both of these were posted on FFI.

I was also confused by the authenticity of Hadiths as measured in discussions. I had of course been taught about the collection and classification of Hadiths, and felt the Muslim pride that unlike Christian writings ours remained authentic and unchanged. However, it seemed that in a discussion authenticity was simply measured by the light under which the narration portrayed Islam. Whenever a Hadith went against the picture of Islam being promoted it was said to be “rare”, “questionable”, “fabricated”, or at the very least mistranslated. I was disoriented; I thought Bukhari was the most authentic? Well he was of course, but there were still some weak Hadiths in his collection. The more I asked the more it seemed… “some” meant “a lot” of weak hadiths. When the opposite was true and the narration fit the version of Islam being promoted, the most rare Hadiths were put forward as irrefutable evidence.
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Sounds familiar?

Somewhere in all this madness I was an extremist. I forced my son to go to an Islamic school that he hated. I would pressure him to pray. I knew when he told me he believed he was lying, so I began to think bad things about my own child. And I withheld my affection from him .I can’t tell you how sick that makes me feel now. I hated everyone and everything that wasn’t Islamic or Halal. I looked down on everyone even my Parents and sisters. My relationship was about trying to convert them. Instead of holding my poor dying grandmother in her last hours I tried to convert her. I have only started grieving for her now, two years after her death because I couldn’t pray for her as I believed she was in the depths of Hell, where she apparently deserves to be. My Grandmother was a beautiful human being who loved us all so much.
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Feel the love! :eek:
Vickie
 
Originally Posted by Sister Amy
I just finished taking a class almost 30 hours long on the biography of Muhammad. I’ve read the Qur’an in its entirety and I read it often.
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And I’m the only telling you that this nonsense you’re preaching ain’t there. I never find it in my books, I never hear it from my teachers. If Muslims aren’t teaching it, then the obvious answer is that you’re just making it up
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** Sister Amy, Al Hamdu Lillah. You have taken a good class and you are right. Nothing of any bad things is there about our prophet s.a.w.s. You have done well in all your posts. May Allah be with you always and may you have the blessings of Allah. Keep up the good effort. Wassalam.**
 
chrisse said:
No Sister Amy, you have proved yourself a lazy and incompetent debater with your unsubstantiated claims and throwaway insults. You link to sources you don’t even read or authenticate. Any replies from me to you now, will not have sources, do you do not deserve such until you lift your debating game here.
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I read the Bloomberg article. I can hardly visit every single link in their article to check if they are doing their job as reporters and writers, can I? Should I ask you to do that about every article you read about Islam, go check with original sources? Don’t be silly. I bet you didn’t even check all the links–just one and you found it wasn’t what you expected. It’s becoming a very popular story actually, that the Vatican is promoting Islamic finance. A google search on the subject ought to point you in the right direction.
Honor Killing is explicitly in the qur’an and under shariah law there is no death penalty for it. I HAVE provided the sources for that 3 times on this board. And in threads you were active in. They were in reply to Muslim Woman.
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I have been active in threads that I don’t go back and read because I don’t have time. But now I am asking you the question, and I am asking you for sources. If you have already provided them for Muslim woman, then it ought to be a piece of cake to go find them again, right? Why don’t you do that, instead of telling me you’ve already done it. You haven’t in this thread. The least you could do is give me a link or something to go off of. Talk about credibility, sheesh.
Sister Amy being called a liar by a muslim has no impact on me. Hysterical, an adherent of the ideology of Islam wherein lying is prescribed for them calling someone else a liar. Also hypocritical of them. I am not lying, so it’s just empty name calling on your part.
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You have no clue how hypocritical you’re being. Not that it bothers me, I guess.
On circumcision, the hadith in question doesn’t stop it. Mohammed just said don’t cut too much as it’s better for the husband and for the woman. Thereby, as a result, female circumcision has remained in the Islamic world, infecting the societies where it holds a majority, and leading to abuses of FGM with devastating results. They cannot ban it in Islam, because the most perfect man of hate and decadence that muslims must try to imitate, Mohammed, DID NOT ban it, he condoned it.
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Tell me what Christianity did to help FGM in Africa. Nothing. Islam limits it, the most that can be said is that only a very little is allowed. FGM has remained in the Christian world as much as the Muslim world, as it has nothing to do with religion, but it’s a pharonic practice carried out throughout Africa. Stop trying to BLAME something on Islam that started long before it, and no other religion has been able to put a stop to either.
 
ferdie said:
It makes me wonder, if any muslim in the world, or even muslims in this forum appreciate the aid given by the USA to muslim countries. I mean, if they hate us now that we are giving aid to some of them, what more if we stop giving aids to them?
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After Israel, the country that gets the most US aid is a Muslim country (Egypt). That’s a fact. And what does that money do? It helps the US, but it doesn’t help Muslims, because it props up a corrupt government (i.e., Hosni Mubarak) that isn’t afraid to torture its citizens, and in various ways prohibit free religion.

I think that the Muslim countries might be better off if the US weren’t spending so much money going to corrupt dictators like Mubarak (or like it went to Saddam, or to Musharraf, etc.) Then the Muslims might have a better shot at establishing the government THEY want, rather than the government that the USA wants them to have.

After all, governments are to be established by the people–isn’t that an American principle? 🙂
 
planten said:
** I am sure the muslims understand and appreciate the aids **that USA is providing to the world.
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LOL!!! 👍

That’s too funny, man.

But really it’s not true that the US is giving the world aids, American doctors are trying very hard to stop the spread of aids in countries where it is really ravaging the population. America actually gives a lot of financial support to programs to eliminate aids, a very significant amount when compared to other nations, and I don’t think it’s fair to belittle it.

It is a very good use of “aid” money, in my opinion.
 
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