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Accusing others of making things up which are readily available on the internet is grabbing at straws and shows you’re getting desperate. Your dawa is not working!

Vickie
It’s obviously not readily available on the internet if you haven’t been able to provide a single Islamic source.

You know, centuries of Islamic scholarship managed to exist without everything being published on the internet. People used to read books. I have books, if you give me a solid reference I can back it up. But since I can’t find a single Islamic site on the internet reporting this story, it seems really make-believe.

Where did it come from, if the Muslims don’t have it in their books? Source!!!
 
For those who are interested, here are the testimonies of two women converts to Islam who finally left this cult of domination. Both of these were posted on FFI.


Sounds familiar?


Feel the love! :eek:
Vickie
I used to post on FFI, and the posters didn’t believe I was really a convert. Probably comes from reading bogus stories like these.
 
LOL!!! 👍

That’s too funny, man.

But really it’s not true that the US is giving the world aids, American doctors are trying very hard to stop the spread of aids in countries where it is really ravaging the population. America actually gives a lot of financial support to programs to eliminate aids, a very significant amount when compared to other nations, and I don’t think it’s fair to belittle it.

It is a very good use of “aid” money, in my opinion.
The ironic part of it is that most of these ravaged nations are poor and without mineral wealth. It flies in the face of the idea that all we care about is oil/gold/whatever…
 
The ironic part of it is that most of these ravaged nations are poor and without mineral wealth. It flies in the face of the idea that all we care about is oil/gold/whatever…
Well, there certainly ARE countries that do have mineral wealth and oil and such, who are being horribly exploited. I think that much is true. But I don’t think it has to do with HIV/AIDS. I mean, people fuss about Sudan a lot but if you think about it, what’s China doing there? Getting rich while the Sudanese kill each other. This has been happening in Africa a lot–I guess in other countries too (maybe like South/Central America) but I always think of Africa first as being a victim of colonialism, I guess because it’s been the most recent to decolonize and it’s still sort of being raped by superpowers.
 
Well, there certainly ARE countries that do have mineral wealth and oil and such, who are being horribly exploited. I think that much is true. But I don’t think it has to do with HIV/AIDS. I mean, people fuss about Sudan a lot but if you think about it, what’s China doing there? Getting rich while the Sudanese kill each other. This has been happening in Africa a lot–I guess in other countries too (maybe like South/Central America) but I always think of Africa first as being a victim of colonialism, I guess because it’s been the most recent to decolonize and it’s still sort of being raped by superpowers.
Your assesment is not exactly wrong. The only thing is that sub-Saharan/CEntral Africa has little mineral wealth. This is also the area hardest hit by AIDS. Actually, everything not Muslim is pretty bad off in Africa. Yes, they were colonial, but once the Colonial Powers found they had little or nothing, they were abandon. Obviously, southern Africa is different.

The problem with AIDS in Africa is HUGE. IT is also something that does not seem to have an easy answer.
 
For those who are interested, here are the testimonies of two women converts to Islam who finally left this cult of domination. Both of these were posted on FFI.


Sounds familiar?


Feel the love! :eek:
Vickie
It seems that many of those who give up Islam also give up on belief in God. Perhaps they are afraid to give themselves to God when they could no longer believe in Allah?
 
It seems that many of those who give up Islam also give up on belief in God. Perhaps they are afraid to give themselves to God when they could no longer believe in Allah?
No, it’s often a logical step for them. They feel betrayed, so atheism is their refuge while they heal. Often it’s just a stage toward the Truth, and many become devout Christians, as they feel and see the Truth of YHWH now their eyes are free of the Islamic burkha.
 
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Why not give them another place to live?
Why not offer all Israeli Jews to live in USA or do u think Germany should take back them ?
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Why not offer all Israeli Jews to live in USA or do u think Germany should take back them ?
Actually, many Jews after WWII DID come to live here. The US has a HUGE Jewish population considering we never had a “Jewish” colony. The fact is that many people consider the area in the MIddle East now to be known as Israel as the ancestral home land for the Jews. It was also that land for the Palestinians, Christian, Muslim, and other…
 
I read somewhere there are more Jews in NYC than in all of Israel.
I am not 100% sure of that, but I do think the US has more than Israel…

I do know that there are more Puerto Ricans in NYC than in Puerto Rico.
 
Got me, but obviously it’s not working out. Why not give them another place to live?
** Please remember that Moammar Qazzafi of Libya had suggested (long ago) a place to settle the Israeli to solve their problem of homeland. He had suggested that some place in canada be given to the Israelis. But at the same time, somebody said that qazzafi wants o kill the Israelis in that cold country.**
 
Your assesment is not exactly wrong. The only thing is that sub-Saharan/CEntral Africa has little mineral wealth. This is also the area hardest hit by AIDS. Actually, everything not Muslim is pretty bad off in Africa. Yes, they were colonial, but once the Colonial Powers found they had little or nothing, they were abandon. Obviously, southern Africa is different.

The problem with AIDS in Africa is HUGE. IT is also something that does not seem to have an easy answer.
Diamonds.
 
Got me, but obviously it’s not working out. Why not give them another place to live?
Because they want to live in their homes. If someone took your home and tried to live there too, would it be better for you to let them live there, or for them to let you live there? The just thing would be for them to leave. But suppose you even let them stay, as long as you can both stay and get along? That’s Palestine now. Jews trying to get rid of them.

But it is and has been the home of Palestinians. It’s where they want to live and it’s their home. They have therefore every right to stay.

Similarly, the Israelis have been there a while, and their children have nothing to do with the Holocast or the establishment of Israeli state, but they’ve grown up there too and now it is their home also.

So they really should stop this two-state business, stop the apartheid, and resolve the issue by forming a single state.
 
So they really should stop this two-state business, stop the apartheid, and resolve the issue by forming a single state.
Not possible. Ofcourse that is also spoken like someone who has no knowledge of the reality on the ground.

I am not a supporter of zionism.

However to advocate a single state is to take away what the jewish people (rightly or wrongly) have fought so hard for…a place to call home.

If palestinians were allowed to live in the same state, it would turn into a muslim country in no time.

another pointless and meaningless middle eastern muslim country.
 
Appealing to historical circumstance is interesting. While I support a Palestinian state, I do so only under the secular vision of someone like George Habash (whose Marxism, before anyone goes there, I thoroughly disagree with). You cannot create a “free Palestine” and then immediately use your new sovereign power to crush the Palestinian Christians even moreso than is already done now whenever the Islamic forces in society feel a need to reassert themselves. Palestine is the home to holy sites in all three major religions, and any recognition of Palestine must be within the context of respecting the religious practice of ALL the people who are native to the area, and guess what, this means that Palestinian rights ARE Christian rights (and Muslim rights), and to the extent that one group is much older than the other, if anyone has the right to appeal to history in making their case for freedom, it’s the Palestinian Christians who just want to be left alone by the Israeli military, not the Palestinian Muslims who want to have Palestine be another Islamic state. Which do you think keep the Israelis more on edge? It’s probably not the Palestinian Christians, since they’re not ones blowing themselves up on buses full of Israelis or outside of Israeli-frequented cafes.

Muslim claims to any piece of land in the Middle East outside of the Arabian peninsula are suspect anyway. The non-Arabized Assyrian Muslims of Ma’loula, Syria are more than enough evidence that the “Arab” identity of most of these countries is the result of oppression and attempted extermination every bit as bad as what is thrown at the Israelis on a daily basis. I say both groups deserve it: The Israelis for the hypocrisy of their “democracy” which doesn’t even guarantee equal water rationing in the freaking desert (but nevermind, those going without are Palestinians, so they deserve it! Sorry, kids!), and Muslims for their constant complaining and anger over their colonization at the hands of the Western powers when they themselves did the same thing to the Assyrians, Berbers, Copts, and others who are TRULY native to the Middle East, but they are in complete denial of this fact. Why is there no “free Assyria”? Because some jerks who call themselves Kurds allied with their Muslim brothers in Turkey and again in Iraq to massacre the NATIVE INHABITANTS of the Middle East, because they were Christian and because they wanted their rights to live without being oppressed!

And they still do, but they still live under this fake “Kurdistan” or fake “Turkey”, or fake “Iran”. What do all of these places have in common? Corrupt Muslim hegemony. An idea that the Muslim narrative of the Middle East that places every other people in second place no matter HOW long they’ve been there is the only way that anyone should consider events in that area of the world. That the Palestinians are the only victims, and the Israelis the only oppressors.

Let’s not add Palestine to the list of such places. The people deserve more than to exchange one oppressor for another, and by “the people” I mean both Christians and Muslims.

FREE PALESTINE, FREE ASSYRIA, FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE AND RELIGIOUS BELIEF FOR EVERYONE. Anything less is not acceptable.
 
Please feel free to start up a new thread on Israel (including Judea/Samaria and Gaza) and this “Palestine” you’re talking about.

I fail to see what it has to do with the topic.
 
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