Also a bald-faced untruth, the falseness of which can be amply demonstrated by referencing any number of a women who hold important positions within the Church.There seems to be only two places in the Church that I, without a penis, am welcomed:
In the delivery room as a broodmare, or
In a laundry room, washing and ironing altar clothes and vestments.
Sad. Very sad.
That’s a very bald-faced untruth, the falseness of which is amply demonstrated by considering the very structure of the Church- ***all ***the official teachings are made by the magesterium, the magesterium is made up of the pope and all the bishops (see the catechism), the bishops and popes are all priests, and women are denied the priesthood - therefore no women may participate directly in any decision involving doctrine, dogma, or magesterial teachings.
I would like to go on record as absolutely loving my role as a broodmare for the Church. What an honor! I only wish that I had gotten out of my contraceptive mentality sooner.
I think the hope is that the Holy Spirit directs their actions and that ultimately God decides at least the dogma.
Women do have (name removed by moderator)ut, and the leadership does ask for it.
That is certainly the hope - or at least it had better be since the (name removed by moderator)ut of half of God’s people is not formally accepted.
It would be interesting to find out just how much (name removed by moderator)ut is requested, how much is considered when it wasn’t requested, and whether any of the (name removed by moderator)ut was considered significant.
Why does it matter whether womens opinion is asked? The fact is that God guides the Church irrelevant of our opinions. God is the Truth and He must reveal Himself to us. No ones opinion means anything.
The magisterium discusses and analyzes topics which guide the church and which affect the entire membership. It does not receive written instructions from God - it has actual argumentative discussions and eventually declares what we are required by faith to believe is the will of God. This is the process for defining dogmas. The fact that it is formally organized to be a group process says that a variety of human participation is important and required. The fact that it is restricted to only include males is an insult to that explicit need.
In other words, you AGREE with male chauvanists everywhere that a woman who nutures her children full-time, brings order to her family and sacrifices her own desires for power and gratification is inferior to one who refuses all that and grasps for fortune, fame, power and influence.There seems to be only two places in the Church that I, without a penis, am welcomed:
In the delivery room as a broodmare, or
In a laundry room, washing and ironing altar clothes and vestments.
Sad. Very sad.
So, then, when I was the University of St. Thomas and took classes in theology taught by a woman, those were really taught by a man? When I had a fascinating conversation with the woman who heads the Galveston-Houston Archdiocese’s Respect Life Office, she was really a man in disguise? When Teresa, Therese, and Catherine were named Doctors of the Church, they were so honored because they were really men? Tomorrow when I attend the Catholic school job fair for the Galveston-Houston Archdiocese and the overwhelming majority of the principals who interview me are all women, they’re not really women?
I’ll stand along side you as the stones start flying!
Amen, Kristie, and let us take a look at Mary. How many words did Paul say in the New Testament? How many words did Mary say? And yet who was without sin? Who had the greatest impact on the Church. How did Mary spend most of her time in the Bible? She pondering things in her heart and she bowed to the will of God. She stayed at home and raised Jesus. If women today strived to live the life that Mary lived, what an impact we would have upon the Church and upon the world. I suspect that the result would be no shortage of priests and nuns and no child abuse scandal. How Mary must weep to see how we have failed in our apostolate as Catholic women.It always amuses me to hear about how the church looks down on women. Can someone please explain to me, then, all the devotion to Mary???
Hey now, its OK. Us guys made at least three or four mistakes in there somewhere too.
Where any of them members of the Magesterium? Your examples are all irrelevant to the topic of the (name removed by moderator)ut of women to the formation of the Church’s teachings via the magesterium.
No, I hate it when my time is wasted by irrelvant comments. Your comments are reality but they have nothing to do with my comments. There is no contradiction. We aren’t talking about how many women taught you or talked to you about theology or have a position related to the the Church, we are talking about how the Church assumes God only talks to men in the matters of magesterial development.
Whoever said it was ‘unheard of’ ?
What a way to degrade women with such verbage as yours.BUT, women priests or deacons… UNHEARD OF
There seems to be only two places in the Church that I, without a penis, am welcomed:
In the delivery room as a broodmare, or
In a laundry room, washing and ironing altar clothes and vestments.
Sad. Very sad.
No, you’re talking about that because it’s a convenient strawman (as well as being demonstrably false due to the fact that three women have been named Doctors of the Church). If you’re only point is that women can’t be ordained; therefore, women have no voice in the Church, you don’t have much of a point at all.
Yes, conveniently true.
Wow, three in 2000 years. And they were not members of the magesterium.
No, that is not my point at all. As I’ve made very clear in every post, I am not talking about ordination at all (although the arguments against women’s ordination are almost as ridiculous).