Women getting married, having kids, then becoming depressed?

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The second issue is the general societal guilt that if a woman is not “having it all” it’s a bad thing.
It’s not just women.

Men as well.

This is a good segue into a discussion on marketing. It is marketing to create inadequacy in the general public and then proceed to sell them the goods that is supposed to remedy that.

Feel like less of a man? Here’s a good pick up truck that could do that.

Feel like less of a woman? Here’s some must have fashion, shoes and accessories to compensate.

It’s all marketing.
 
I’m not saying it doesn’t take strength to throw it off. But staying under it is a choice not to empower oneself.

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I start small. Sometimes it’s just a matter of educating people. I cite studies showing how much we’d actually be making if we were paid for our work. Husbands themselves are easy to educate.

“What do you do all day?”
“Well, honey, you’re about it find out when I go to that retreat on Saturday and leave them with you.” 😉
But people do have a say in the attitude that they bring to wherever it is that they end up.
I think even non-Catholics would benefit from learning about the Little Way.

We also need to stop lying to young people by telling them there’s such a thing as a Dream Job.
We might want to ask ourselves why Catholic high schools are usually “college prep.” What? People in the trades don’t benefit from having gone to a Catholic high school?

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That’s an excellent question. Veering off-topic, I don’t like this trend of them imposing very competitive admissions standards. A handful of schools like that is fine, but all Catholic children should have access to Catholic education.
 
Friedan poignantly described what a lot of us women feel. At the same time, she missed the mark a bit. What she depicted - the depressed housewife looking up and saying, “Is this it?” - also applies to a lot of people who go to work all day at vapid and soul-less jobs. I’ve had that same feeling at the workplace water cooler that I get while on my knees scrubbing a toilet.
Haven’t read the whole thread yet, but yes, I agree completely. Her book was a bestseller because she described so well what many women were feeling and experiencing. Where she went wrong was assuming that going to work was going to cure that feeling. I think there are relatively few people who truly experience fulfillment in their job. For some, their job is a career that they love, but for the rest of humanity, it’s just work so that they can eat and have a roof over their heads. Plenty of people, not just Friedan’s housewives, ask themselves, “Is this all there is?”
 
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Haven’t read the whole thread yet, but yes, I agree completely. Her book was a bestseller because she described so well what many women were feeling and experiencing. Where she went wrong was assuming that going to work was going to cure that feeling. I think there are relatively few people who truly experience fulfillment in their job. For some, their job is a career that they love, but for the rest of humanity, it’s just work so that they can eat and have a roof over their heads. Plenty of people, not just Friedan’s housewives, ask themselves, “Is this all there is?”
Most of the work that needs to be done in this world is work that few people would do if nobody paid them to do it. The “I love my job so much I would do it if nobody paid me” level of job satisfaction is not only a low percentage of jobs but also requires gratitude in the worker that not even everybody in the “most gratifying” fields feel on a consistent basis. More to the point, nobody could do those jobs if not for all the people doing the work that mainly takes showing up every day and doing what needs to be done.

Yes, I’m saying that there are people who want to be happy but who are not willing to be content. That is a crazy expectation. It cannnot happen. I’m not saying anybody is going to beat clinical depression simply by “switching their noodle”–that would also be a dangerous falsehood!–but the truth is that even secular cognitive behavior therapy works by convincing people to reach contentment by seeing that contentment doesn’t require a life free of hurdles and challenges.

I went to Mass today (Nov 1, for All Saints) and the homily reminded us that answer to “is this all there is?” isn’t a different job or living somebody else’s life. It is becoming a saint, which starts by feeling blessed to have the life we have. Even among those who become saints, though, the dark night of the soul is sometimes a reality.

No, this is not all there is. We live in a vale of tears. It can be really hard, and we should not be lead to expect that it will be otherwise. It has its joys and we can be joyful in it, but not because we’ve found a way to get only consolations and no tribulations as we make our way through it. That way does not exist, not in this life.
 
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Shouldn’t be 100% of the time… if mom is stay at home, dad should be taking care of the kids for at least part of each evening to give mom a break.
 
People sometimes ask “what do you do?” as a conversation starter, just to find out more about you. It’s always easier to get people started talking about something they know about and to potentially establish some common ground, if you find something in common (e.g., “retired Navy? I was Army, myself…”). In the Southeast, men start conversations most commonly by talking about football. They don’t necessarily think ill of you if don’t know anything about football. Similarly, if you say you’re a Mom who works hard at home, it just means they can shift the conversation to something else.
 
If not marrying frees someone to devote herself fully to the Lord, on the other hand, that can work extremely well for her. As St. Paul pointed out, she works for the Gospel but is spared certain anxieties.
A relative of mine never married but spends a lot of her time healing the sick as a doctor. She volunteers with Doctor without borders healing the poor across the world.

Is she less of a Catholic than a SAHM?
 
A relative of mine never married but spends a lot of her time healing the sick as a doctor. She volunteers with Doctor without borders healing the poor across the world.

Is she less of a Catholic than a SAHM?
Exactly. After all, how many of the saintly women were either virgins or widows? St. Paul was right that while marriage is a model of Christ and his Church and a holy state of life, it can also be a distraction. The evangelical counsels of poverty, chastity and obedience aren’t just for professed religious. Any unmarried Catholic has the radical freedom to choose those, too, as a way of seeking perfection.
 
Well I have heard just as often that women who choose their careers over getting married and having a family, get severely depressed later in life, and feel like they’ve missed the boat.

Truth is, depression can happen to many different people for a variety of reasons. I wouldn’t say it happens to married women any more than people in other situations, not that I’m suggesting the OP was saying that, I just think, as I said, depression can hit you for a variety of reasons, unexpectedly.
 
100% agree. Social media frequently makes every problem worse.

And I agree with the post about people trying to find fulfillment in their work. I don’t know for sure, but I sense that aligning personal identity with one’s job is uniquely American. We’d probably be happier if we’d expect our jobs to provide a paycheck and not much else.

But I also think there’s the problem of depression–and I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of women who feel worthless, like “leeches,” “just a mom,” “trapped,” would feel depressed if they were in the full time workforce.
Hmm. It’s definitely not uniquely American. Not even close. There are places that are more career focused than the USA. South Korea is hyper-career focused, hyper perfectionist. Their economy has risen and their birth rate has collapsed at an unbelievably fast rate (faster than Japan, but they haven’t hit a huge wave of retirements quite yet, but it’s coming in the near future and there will be many social problems to accompany it). I teach Chinese students and those kids work and work and work. They work harder than I do and I’m a grown man.

And it’s not altogether irrational either. I mean, you don’t have to contribute only through a career, but a career is the standard way for the average person to feel like they have dignity and that they are being useful in some way. A mother is obviously invaluable but since the domestic life is more hidden it’s not always easy to feel that way. I think it’s healthy for people to attach importance to how they contribute and live their life, but if they only value contributions that have a monetary value (like through a career) they are setting themselves up for sadness.

And then the opposite extreme you might have somewhere like parts of Europe that almost treat work like a disease, and it has led to various social and economic problems in southern Europe. The wisdom books of scripture advise us to find the right balance in our life.
 
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They weren’t competing with Olive Garden takeout.
Or to be a soldier of Martha Stewart.

At some point…hopefully early on, SAHMSs need to realize their calling far exceeds the worldly business of running a family household.
 
Surely it is dependent on the individual?

I actually disliked being a SAHM. I did it for 5 years and being an extreme extrovert found it very isolating and frankly boring. The main isolation came not from lack of opportunities (I made sure we got out lots) but through the lack of stimulating conversations. Gone were the debates on politics, spirituality or books, i found most mums only wanted to talk children. Considering I worked in a male dominated industry, which promoted a different style of communication this was a hard pill to swallow.

My husband took a few years off when I went back and was quite happy.

I adore my children. And am lucky enough to work in an industry where I have flexible hours so can do school pick up most days. But I am certainly happier when mixing with other adults for most of my day.

I’m sure it is the same for many women.
 
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Depression is more than just regret.

Depression is more often than not a deficiency in brain chemistry and yes anyone can have it.
 
Depression is more than just regret.

Depression is more often than not a deficiency in brain chemistry and yes anyone can have it.
I have this feeling that depression is like a trick knee. You can be born more likely to get it and you can get it by stressing a joint in traumatic ways that don’t always heal up, giving you something you can get past but that you do have to take care of and not ignore. Like ligaments, the psyche is hard to see and doesn’t heal as quickly as some other aspects of our make up do. It’s only an analogy, of course, and all analogies break down eventually, but I think it is like that.
 
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