WOMEN ONLY: Your "opinions" on Women Ordination

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The statement was made that “if God wants women priests then we will have women ordained as priests. It’s in God’s hands.”

Well, I don’t think this has anything to do with the omnipotence of God. I think it’s been said, taught, whatever, that all public revelation is complete with the death of the last Apostle. That means that it was revealed back then, as seen in the writings of the early church fathers and what they taught and believed, that there are/were no women priests - so there never will be. That statement sounds like a Mormon statement - they believe that God still reveals His will to them to this day through their prophets - how confused are their beliefs?

No - ALL has been revealed by God through public revelation. It is finished! We are to understand what He said through the Church He left us when He ascended into heaven. He instructed His chosen leaders to teach us. He left the Holy Spirit to guide them to all truth until His return. No more is to be revealed to us, now or later. There can be no ordination for women.
 
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hthrlu:
I have read the gospels, and Acts. I have seen that during Jesus’s time, it was the Pharisees who were sticklers for rules and regulation - how are you all any different? How can you sit here and condemn me and my beliefs (which are that God is omnipotent…) by telling me what the rules and doctrine are? Are you no better than the Pharisees for condemning Jesus for thinking outside the box?
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Heather
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Well, that’s just a little unfair! You might want to go back and read the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles again because it seems as though you have taken them out of context.

Jesus WAS/IS God and part of His mission on earth was to correct the misguided Pharisees. To bring them back to the heart of the law, which they forgot about. They were against Him because He was trying to change things that Moses had taught them. In person, in public, Jesus could have changed anything He wanted. We are not trying to change anything! The rules and doctrines that were laid down by Jesus are what we are following - your opinion attempts to circumvent them. No one here is condemning you or your beliefs, we are just trying to show you how God has already revealed His will to us but you keep insisting that He hasn’t. God has revealed it through the Church and her teaching. Your catechesis seems to be lacking in the fact that you are determined not to be obedient to Christ and His church, that should’ve been explained to you in detail. That is what we are trying to do here.

In your original post, you referred to the “fact” that the church purposefully undermined the role of women. The Church did not! Don’t you think that if there were any women priests in early church history there would’ve been something written about it, somewhere? That would’ve been a major big deal and some male writer would’ve at least mentioned it! God made men and women different for a reason, for different but complimentary roles. Why are some women continually trying to change what God did? You seem to expect that God will suddenly reveal to the Magesterium that - “Oops, sorry, I’ve changed my mind, you can go ahead and ordain women!” It will not happen and the sooner you resign yourself to that fact and stop saying that “it’s in God’s hands,” then maybe you can move on to another of God’s wonderful revelations to study. There are so many other beautiful things to discover about God!

To be Catholic is to question and try to understand through study and prayer. There are teachings of the church that I have difficuly with but I am not saying that one day God might reveal to us that we had it all wrong! No, my role as a Catholic is to ultimately be obedient and come to a peace with whatever teaching I have a problem with. The sooner I “bow” to the authority of Christ’s Church, that with 2000 years of experience and scholarly teaching on the subject, knows better than me and my pee brain, the sooner I can come to some peace over the teaching and try my best to live it AND it is also my duty to teach that truth to others - not to inject my personal opinion that might lead to the confusion of the other person.

Many people come here to talk about their opinions and if our opinions are a little off track, then others here who have a better understanding will try to explain church teaching and the thoughts that went into that teaching so our opinions can be better formed on solid ground. It helps us all come to a better understanding of age old theology. That’s what we are here for - to help each other form our consciences with correct information.

I understand your point, though, I promise! But what we here are trying to help you understand is that there will be no future revelation on the subject - God will not change. God does not change. WE must change, to try to think with the mind of God, not man.

I really hope you don’t storm off mad.
 
I will make this clear as crystal water:

If we ever have women, priests, I WILL LEAVE THE CHURCH!!!
 
Since I’m in the over 50 group and have been asked to post; No, women have never been ordained, shouldn’t be ordained and will never be ordained.
And that’s just peachy by me!
 
I am saddenned that people inside and outside the Church view women not being considered for ordination as a denial of our full participation in the Church or in the Eucharist. Different does not mean less than - the Bible and Church Tradition teaches that I not be called to be a priest. I believe what I can be called to do within the parameters of my faith is just as important - I can be a servant to the servants of God and still be a woman.
 
I believe that God has spoken on this through the Holy Spirit when John Paul II said that the church hasn’t the authority to ordain women. I am an in for a penny, in for a pound Catholic.
I accept what the Church tells me because I believe that the Church speaks for God. Some might call this blind obedience, I prefer to call myself a sheep who knows the voice of my shepherd. The Lord is my shephard, the Church is His voice on earth: when I hear her, I hear Him.

Jesus, I trust in you.
 
I’m 25, fiesty, and I’ve never been big on the stereotypical “feminist” approach. Amazingly enough, it’s because it is not about empowerment from what I have seen and been introduced to, but it is instead about reversing the roles - like a tit-for-tat game played with men; not about true human equality as it is about revenge for x-number of years of submission.

I have come to Catholicism because I agree with the doctrines that God (through the Church) has expressed to us. While in the secular world I would like equality in the form of a fair playing field for all who have the ability : this is to say, just because you are female does not automatically make you eligible for being a rocket scientist - I’d want any candidiate for a job to possess the book smarts and inherent skills for the job, it shouldn’t be about sex, creed, race, etc, in the secular world.

In the religious world, in God’s world, we’ve been given something different. A set of standards to live by. Fair standards. A moral code. A list of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. That is one of the strong points about religion - it’s to teach you a good way to live. If God, through the Church, has expressed to us that women should not be ordained - this should not be questioned. There is surely a good reason for this.

In nature, everything has its place, nothing is “useless” nor “unnecessary”. Women who question God’s decision on no female ordination, should look at how this does not limit them, it only shows them the areas they need to fulfill, the very positions God wants us as women to fulfill. There’s a place for everyone in His Church.

Just because we can change obvious faulty things for a fair betterment in the secular world, does not mean that it is okay to try to change things that aren’t “broken” in the religious world. You aren’t forced into a Faith, you come to a Faith. You’ll need to have faith in your Faith, and trust that God knows best.
 
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msh:
I’m 25, fiesty, and I’ve never been big on the stereotypical “feminist” approach. Amazingly enough, it’s because it is not about empowerment from what I have seen and been introduced to, but it is instead about reversing the roles - like a tit-for-tat game played with men; not about true human equality as it is about revenge for x-number of years of submission.

I have come to Catholicism because I agree with the doctrines that God (through the Church) has expressed to us. While in the secular world I would like equality in the form of a fair playing field for all who have the ability : this is to say, just because you are female does not automatically make you eligible for being a rocket scientist - I’d want any candidiate for a job to possess the book smarts and inherent skills for the job, it shouldn’t be about sex, creed, race, etc, in the secular world.

In the religious world, in God’s world, we’ve been given something different. A set of standards to live by. Fair standards. A moral code. A list of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. That is one of the strong points about religion - it’s to teach you a good way to live. If God, through the Church, has expressed to us that women should not be ordained - this should not be questioned. There is surely a good reason for this.

In nature, everything has its place, nothing is “useless” nor “unnecessary”. Women who question God’s decision on no female ordination, should look at how this does not limit them, it only shows them the areas they need to fulfill, the very positions God wants us as women to fulfill. There’s a place for everyone in His Church.

Just because we can change obvious faulty things for a fair betterment in the secular world, does not mean that it is okay to try to change things that aren’t “broken” in the religious world. You aren’t forced into a Faith, you come to a Faith. You’ll need to have faith in your Faith, and trust that God knows best.
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Well said and Amen! 👍
 
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LoneRanger:
am not offering an opinion on the subject since you ask only for women’s opinions… but,

why would someone concerned about the exclusion of a sex from the ordained, then turn right around and exclude a sex from (name removed by moderator)ut?

something bothers me about this picture or thread…
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Hi Lone Ranger!

The only problem with this thread is the bias the you brought to it! Not once in the poll or original post did anyone express a “concern over the exclusion of a sex” from the priesthood. That, apparently, is a concern that you have and perhaps didn’t realize that you allowed it to permeate your interpretation of the thread. Again, the original was totally neutral: didn’t express an opinion for or against priestesses.
And as far as excluding men from the poll, I think women have heard enough from us men - she simply wanted the woman’s perspective…

Phil
 
I’m in the non-existant 17-and-under age bracket. 😃 But I thought I’d give my imput anyway (even though it agrees with most of you). I’m definitely against women priests. I think that we already have enough trouble as sinners without questioning the Church’s teaching. I don’t really understand why it’s such a big deal. If you want to be a religious, there are nuns and such. I suppose that some women may want to be able to consecrate the bread and wine, and they feel “deprived” of this. But we are able to recieve the Eucharist! How awesome is that, who can complain? Once that issue is cleared out of the way, it seems to me that it’s like a power struggle or something. Correct me if I’m wrong, though, since as I said I don’t really understand why women even bother pressing for this issue.
 
My ‘opinion’ regarding Church Doctrine, Dogma, Teachings carries absolutely NO weight - as it should!!

Christ is our Teacher.
I am the student.

I’m quite content with the place the Lord has reserved for me in this lifetime and trust He has equally fulfilling roles for all the other women of this planet.

It is not for us to understand what His plan is for us, only to do His will. The longer we fight it, the more frustrated and lost we will become.

Before you know it, we’ll be whining and stomping our feet demanding the Church change Her ways. 😉
 
I see absolutely no problem with only men being priests. Why all the fuss? I do not want the job of men. Nor, I might dare add, do they probably want the job of women! God made us different for a reason - plain and simple. It is not an issue of “who is better”, “who is more valuable” or who has “equal rights”. For heaven’s sake - why all the fuss and concern about EVERYONE having the same jobs and responsibilities in this world??? We should all take pride in who we are and do our best to be the best person we can be - period. Satan must get quite a bit of satisfaction watching all the fuss about “equality of the sexes”…

Karen Anne
 
Christ’s “Bride” is the Church. Women are the most important part — and they don’t have to be Priests.:clapping:

The Church and her wisdom – the Holy Father and the Magersterium – have it all figured out.

Remember 1 Tim. 3:15: **
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The truth is the CHURCH…

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Who could ask for anything more…?
 
I like this thread, and the poll is nice, but the results are about what you would expect from being posted in a Catholic apologetics forum, after all. 🙂
 
I am perfectly content with my role as a …well, pre-woman in the church:) I see the sisterhood as an amazingly beautiful and pure vocation, and I am so glad that such an opportunity is open to me. I have no regrets that I cannot become a priest, it is not and never has been a woman’s place. Whenever I see a woman wearing the collar in another church, it’s just…well…weird, out of place…it’s just not our place. Men are the fathers in the church, women are the mothers…let’s keep it that way.
 
We all serve God in the way we live. My personal calling is to motherhood. If God had wanted women to be priests then there would have been women apostles and God would have made a way for women to be allowed in Temple at the time of Christ. All these so called Catholic nuns that want women to be ordained are not truly following their vows if they are sowing discord amongst the people (not just Catholics) of the world. Just know that there are precious few of them and the media exploits the few that there are. Do you know that most news stations have a list of “acceptable” people to interview for any subject? In the case of Catholocism, they have sought out the most liberal to be on their list. They can’t just go down to their local Catholic church and interview Father X or Sister Y from their local parish. THey HAVE to go with their list.
 
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CatherineSienna:
I’m in the 50 + category. I definitely do not believe in WO. I left the Episcopal Church, of course for many reasons, chiefly because The Lord was calling me to Rome. But one of the factors thet “pushed” me out was that our otherwise conservative parish had just accepted it’s first female priest.
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I’m in the 41-50 category and I too was an Episcopalian. I was going to say basically the same thing but you wrote it first! So I’ll just say DITTO!
 
I believe that men should be the head of the church and women should be helpers. I also believe the same about marriage, but not be walked on though.

Dawn
 
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LSK:
I am saddenned that people inside and outside the Church view women not being considered for ordination as a denial of our full participation in the Church or in the Eucharist. Different does not mean less than - the Bible and Church Tradition teaches that I not be called to be a priest. I believe what I can be called to do within the parameters of my faith is just as important - I can be a servant to the servants of God and still be a woman.
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This is what i was going to say, but couldn’t put it into the nice concise form it’s in here. Also, I’m 22 and a convert of about 4 years. I couldn’t imagine confessing to a woman, taking communion from a female priest, etc. etc. I’ve tried! Standing at Mass in a dress and mantilla, I cannot imagine Father being a…what would we call her? Mother?

Anyway, I don’t think it’ll happen, but I certainly don’t view women as less just because we aren’t the same. We are different, gracias a Dios, but we are also equal in His sight. We are all made in His image, but He gave us all different work in this life. Mine is not that of priest. It won’t be.

An afterthought: feminism and femininity are two different concepts. As a believer in the latter concept (and in rejecting the former), I believe in the inherent value of women as creatures made in GOD’s image, given special abilities and responsibilities, distinct and different from men. Feminine women accept their God-given roles and whole host of other things, and I’m getting off the point. Just know that they aren’t the same thing.http://forum.catholic.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

La paz de Cristo,
Rachel
 
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