WOMEN ONLY: Your "opinions" on Women Ordination

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Philthy:
Hi Lone Ranger!

The only problem with this thread is the bias the you brought to it! Not once in the poll or original post did anyone express a “concern over the exclusion of a sex” from the priesthood. That, apparently, is a concern that you have and perhaps didn’t realize that you allowed it to permeate your interpretation of the thread. Again, the original was totally neutral: didn’t express an opinion for or against priestesses.
And as far as excluding men from the poll, I think women have heard enough from us men - she simply wanted the woman’s perspective…

Phil
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Read the question at the top Philthy… Your “opinions” on Women Ordination. How you would interpret it as anything other than the exclusion of women from the priesthood is only for you to answer…
If you read several responses you will find several interpreted it the same way.

Bias is your word…

I withheld my opinion as requested by the author “Women Only”… and asked the reason for a gender specific thread… The author answered my question to my satisfaction… No harm, no foul, or at least i thought… If I offended anyone, i humbly apologize…
 
Having women priests is the equivelant of a spiritual homosexual in this case lesbian marriage. It will not happen.The Church is the Bride and Christ is the Bridegroom. Christ consummated the marriage on the cross. The priest stands for Christ in the Mass, you can’t have a woman as a priest.
 
I vote NO on women’s ordination. I work in a non-traditional environment for women but as far as church is concerned, women cannot be priest nor can the clergy be married.

I don’t see what’s the problem with that; I don’t think that if tomorrow morning women priests and matrimony for clergy would become rules in the church that the pews would fill up.
 
If the Lord intended for women to be preists, I think it would have happened in the last 2000 years. It hasn’t because it wasn’t meant to be. Jesus could have easily made Mary M. an apostle but he didn’t and she wasn’t demanding it. Thank God for the True Catholic Church and may we always hold onto tradition.
 
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Fox:
Having women priests is the equivelant of a spiritual homosexual in this case lesbian marriage. It will not happen.The Church is the Bride and Christ is the Bridegroom. Christ consummated the marriage on the cross. The priest stands for Christ in the Mass, you can’t have a woman as a priest.
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DING, DING, DING, DING, DING!!!
WE HAVE A WINNER!!!
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LoneRanger:
Read the question at the top Philthy… Your “opinions” on Women Ordination. How you would interpret it as anything other than the exclusion of women from the priesthood is only for you to answer…
If you read several responses you will find several interpreted it the same way.

Bias is your word…

I withheld my opinion as requested by the author “Women Only”… and asked the reason for a gender specific thread… The author answered my question to my satisfaction… No harm, no foul, or at least i thought… If I offended anyone, i humbly apologize…
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Hi Lone Ranger!

I didn’t mean to imply that you had offended anyone - sorry if you thought I did. I was simply reacting to your choice of “concern” as a description of the original post. For me it carried a connotation which you may not have intended when you said “why would someone concerned about the exclusion of a sex from the ordained…”. The original thread was totally neutral - there was no “concern” expressed over the issue, just interest in it. I don’t think either one of us needs to dwell on it any longer - and Im not supposed to be posting!

Philemina 😉
 
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OK, I didn’t vote, because I’m a male. And I must say that I’m feeling rather excluded, powerless and shunned in this discussion, and I feel like my opinion doesn’t matter.

Hmph…there are lots of other threads out there that would accept me for who I am, but ever since this thread came into being, I’ve felt I’ve belonged here. I think I’ll stay here and post until you accept me.
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aixia:
Historically, society has been incredibly patriarchal and women’s roles have been suppressed and the instances where women’s roles were not suppressed have been purposely erased from public record. We simply don’t know if women had priestly positions early on, and therefore we can’t just flat out assume that they didn’t. (The fact that women priests aren’t spoken of in the Bible just isn’t enough for me, it’s a known fact that people like Paul were staunch mysoginists, not to mention the men who put the Bible together later.)
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Yes, we must be careful about what we believe in historical record. It was also a known fact that there were many 5-legged dogs in Palestine at the time of Christ…They just weren’t spoken of. I personally believe they existed…heck, no one has written anything about them NOT existing.

Prove me wrong.

[End Sarcasam]

Sorry, couldn’t help myself… :rolleyes:
 
This is my first post. **mea culpa **if this has already been covered.

Here are my II denarii on the topic.

The two major powers given to priests by Jesus were to confect the Eucharist and to forgive sins. The first was given to his disciples at the Last Supper. There is no mention of any women present. The power to forgive sins - when Jesus breathed on them, and said - “Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins…” - was given to his disciples. I do not believe that any women were present then, either. Therefore I believe that Jesus did not intend for women to act as his priests.
 
I accept the church’s teaching on this. Personally, I would not be comfortable with a female priest, simply because, Christ being male and priests representing Christ for me, it wouldn’t follow. Having said that, however, I have to say that logically, the Church’s arguments on this are not the soundest and so I understand why women keep bringing this up.

I fully expect to be flayed open here for stating that, and yes, I have read Ordinato Sacerdotalis. Still, the church’s reasoning seems to boil down to: Christ only ordained men and we have always done it this way. It seems entirely feasible to me that Christ didn’t ordain women because of the cultural roles played at that time and women wouldn’t have been accepted as spiritual leaders. Of course, there’s no way to definitively know this.

For me, then, the issue boils down to accepting the Church’s authority, which I do. Also, I believe there are many other avenues for women to serve in the church. It seems as though the women who clamor to have women ordained look at this in a political way, or as a way to obtain power, rather than as answering a call to serve in a spiritual capacity. Still, though, I understand why they question this, based on the logic behind it.
 
Slaughtering millions of innocents? Okay, I understand that a LOT of babies have been aborted,
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Just to clear the air on the numbers of murders by German Nazi’s and Femi-Nazi’s…sorry ladies to interject, but i though I felt the need to interject some cold hard facts on some aspects of this discussion, I apologize its off topic.

nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html
The Consequences of Roe v. Wade
Total Abortions since 1973
** 46,023,191**

holocaustchronicle.org/HolocaustAppendices.html

European Jews 5,600,000 to 6,250,000
Soviet prisoners of war 3,000,000
Polish Catholics 3,000,000
Serbians 700,000 (Croat Ustasa persecution)
Roma, Sinti, and Lalleri 222,000 to 250,000 Germans (political, religious, and Resistance) 80,000
Germans (handicapped) 70,000
Homosexuals 12,000
Jehovah’s Witnesses 2500
Total killed in by Nazi’s : 13,364,500[using high numbers]
[in concetration camps]
 
These types of “issues” really aren’t about whether or not someone can come up with a good argument to change the Church’s ways, as if the Church is doing something wrong. People simply don’t like being told what to do, or what not to do. Especially in America, I am so sick of the “types” that harp on ridiculous stuff like this, crybabying about their “rights”. Utter garbage. :mad:
 
If a Priest is acting “In Personnae Christie” (sp?) --then Christ was NOT a woman.

Sorry folks, but I am not a women’s libber in the least bit. I am totally against women’s ordination. This is one reason why I left the Episcopal Church. It is not right, nor supposed to be, in my opinion anyway. I know full well women are competent, spiritual, etc., but this is besides the point. I sure hope the Catholic Church will never ordain women. Just my 2 cents!
 
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Philthy:
Hi Lone Ranger!

I didn’t mean to imply that you had offended anyone - sorry if you thought I did. I was simply reacting to your choice of “concern” as a description of the original post. For me it carried a connotation which you may not have intended when you said “why would someone concerned about the exclusion of a sex from the ordained…”. The original thread was totally neutral - there was no “concern” expressed over the issue, just interest in it. I don’t think either one of us needs to dwell on it any longer - and Im not supposed to be posting!

Philemina 😉
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and i probably shouldn’t be…

thanks
 
with all due respect, what is the point of this thread? the Holy Father has stated, infallibly, that women cannot be priests for a variety of reasons that culminate into the fact that the Church has not the power to confer ordination upon women.

Looking into history – namely Biblical history – Christ did not ordain women. If he did, would not it seem likely that he would have ordained his own Mother. Yet, he did not. Rather, he exalted her above all women and coferred a dignity upon her, that extends to all women. Each of us has a role in the life of the Church. For men, this role can include the consecrated life in the priesthood. Women can also enter into religious life and can also be the nurturers and dispensers of the Faith within the home. All of these roles are done for the same purpose – the edification of Holy Mother Church and for the glorification of God, Himself. The case of women priests is a moot point – a non-issue.
 
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frdave20:
with all due respect, what is the point of this thread? the Holy Father has stated, infallibly, that women cannot be priests for a variety of reasons that culminate into the fact that the Church has not the power to confer ordination upon women.

Looking into history – namely Biblical history – Christ did not ordain women. If he did, would not it seem likely that he would have ordained his own Mother. Yet, he did not. Rather, he exalted her above all women and coferred a dignity upon her, that extends to all women. Each of us has a role in the life of the Church. For men, this role can include the consecrated life in the priesthood. Women can also enter into religious life and can also be the nurturers and dispensers of the Faith within the home. All of these roles are done for the same purpose – the edification of Holy Mother Church and for the glorification of God, Himself. The case of women priests is a moot point – a non-issue.
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Ditto
 
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frdave20:
with all due respect, what is the point of this thread? the Holy Father has stated, infallibly, that women cannot be priests for a variety of reasons that culminate into the fact that the Church has not the power to confer ordination upon women.

Looking into history – namely Biblical history – Christ did not ordain women. If he did, would not it seem likely that he would have ordained his own Mother. Yet, he did not. Rather, he exalted her above all women and coferred a dignity upon her, that extends to all women. Each of us has a role in the life of the Church. For men, this role can include the consecrated life in the priesthood. Women can also enter into religious life and can also be the nurturers and dispensers of the Faith within the home. All of these roles are done for the same purpose – the edification of Holy Mother Church and for the glorification of God, Himself. The case of women priests is a moot point – a non-issue.
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But unfortunately, there are people today who continue to push for this (women priests), in spite of all the reasons not to ordain women.

I think it’s just a really unfortunate off-shoot of “women’s lib”. Barking up the wrong tree. It’s so unfortunate that all women can’t be convinced of their worth in God’s eyes without needing to be falsely placed in such a position of power.

Aunt Martha
 
I am 54 and I lived through the woman’s movement all through college and my early marriage. I finally just ignored the whole thing and was much happier. I think back now and I wasted some time listening to those angry women. Now I believe that women should be women, and be happy that men are men.

I don’t argue that many women are very good with spiritual talks and works. However, I don’t want women priests.
 
Something I noticed back in the 40’s of the posting.
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Lets just keep male, unamarried priests. Sometimes I think those who fight for big change would be really sorry if they got their way.
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Respectfully, part of the reason some people seem unable to comprehend that there will never be female priests is that we fail to keep separate the differences between female priests and married priests.

No female priests is unchangeabl. Married priests is a practice that can and may change. I can not be faithful to the teachings of the Church to pray for female priests. I can be faithful and pray for married priests. If for some reason I do think there should be female priests, it is then my job to pray that God would help me to conform my conscience to the teachings of the Catholic Church. No such need exists for the desire to see priests married.

While I understand the sentiment behind not wanting married priests, these two issues that are so frequently brought up together, are simply worlds apart.

God Bless,
Maria

p.s. I am not in anyway implying the original poster thinks these two issues are on the same level. I am just pointing out that those of us who do know the difference, should be careful not to even appear to place the two issues on the same playing field.
 
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