WOMEN ONLY: Your "opinions" on Women Ordination

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It is a universal impossiblity to ordain women as priest’s simply because it violates status of Christ as the groom and His Church as His bride.

In the Catholic Mass, the priest is “persona christi” (in the person of christ) in that, he represents Christ,the groom. Everyone else participating represents “the bride of Christ” which is the Church. Having a priest as a woman would violate the universal natural order of a marriage covenant in which God has established and by which can NOT be changed. Only a man and a woman can produce a valid “marriage covenant” for only they can produce true life.

This marriage covenant relationship example is shown in Eph 5:24-33 where Christ is the groom of the Church and the “Church” is His bride.

The natural has to follow the supernatural especially within the liturgy. Only can a man can respresnt a groom in a valid marriage and only can a male priest represent Christ as the groom within the Catholic Church.
 
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If a Priest is acting “In Personnae Christie” (sp?) --then Christ was NOT a woman.

Sorry folks, but I am not a women’s libber in the least bit. I am totally against women’s ordination. This is one reason why I left the Episcopal Church. It is not right, nor supposed to be, in my opinion anyway. I know full well women are competent, spiritual, etc., but this is besides the point. **I sure hope the Catholic Church will never ordain women. **Just my 2 cents!
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**This common objection is founded on a number of misconceptions about what the sacrament of ordination is and what Jesus and the apostles did. First, it is simply unhistorical to say that Jesus was stopped from appointing women priests by social norms. Greco-Roman culture had oodles of women priests.

The Church has in her tradition abbesses, theologians, doctors of the Church, and teachers aplenty in** skirts and habits.** Anybody can do pastoral, teaching, preaching, or administrative work. But that is not the essenceof the priesthood.** The essence of the priestly office is celebration of Christ’s sacrifice in the Mass.

Now, Christ is, as he himself teaches, the Bridegroom to the Church’s Bride in the great eschatological marriage feast of the Kingdom (Matthew 25:1-13). And so every Mass is a local marriage feast of the Lamb whereby we enter into the self-sacrificial love of that cosmic Bridegroom for his Bride.

And that brings us to the question of symbols. For as with water in baptism and wine in Eucharist, i**t is **man that is a fitting symbol of the Bridegroom and woman is not.The priest is an alter Christus-another Christ-to the Bride in the mystery of the Mass. He does not primarily “administrate” or preach or pastor. He signifies.

A sacrament, like all sacraments, does what it symbolizes and symbolizes what it does. Symbols therefore matter-particularly those that Christ himself has instituted-and the Church has no power to alter such symbols in their fundamentals.

**It’s out of the Church’s hands. **The argument is with Christ, not the Pope.

Mark P. Shea …complete articale at:

catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0105fea4.asp
 
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hthrlu:
As to the term “feminazi” - It is extremely unfair to sling the term Nazi around, and to use it freely is really demeaning to the millions of families who were slaughtered in the holocaust. You (and Rush Limbaugh) are basically saying that women who pursue equality are morally equivalent to one of the most murderous regimes in history. Wanting equal pay for equal work is equivalent to sticking Jews in gas chambers? I think not. The flaming and mudslinging has no place in a healthy debate.

As to priests vs. priestesses - Sticking the -ess suffix on any word doesn’t just designate it as female, as our culture would have you believe. Sticking that suffix on a term is making it diminutive - meaning smaller, and less important than the man’s term. Actress, Waitress, Hostess - these terms have become socially accepted to mean a female actor - but they’re demeaning in root. Priestess would do the same thing. Especially if you’re debating with people who know the difference, and they’ve asked you to quit mocking them or demeaning them, to continue to do so is not healthy debate.

You are still pretending that you know what God’s plan is. You don’t know what his plan is, neither do I. It’s entirely possible that women will never be priests, but I believe it’s in God’s hands.

Your opinion is valid - you can certainly believe that women have no place in Holy Orders, and that’s fine. But to say it’s impossible is discounting any power that God has in the situation. That’s my point. I also think you can make your point without name-calling or mockery.

God Bless,
Heather
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That’s funny, I seem to remember that Pope John Paul the Great said that this was NOT an issue for discussion:tsktsk: , and that the Church is unable to change Jesus teaching/decision:nope: . I also seem to remember that the Pope is unable to teach mistakenly:yup: , and so saying that this is NOT an issue for discussion seems pretty final to me:thumbsup: .
 
Due to the fact, that most Christians are Catholic or Orthodox, it would be a nice ecumenical step forward, if our protestant brothers and sisters would abolish the ordination of women…🙂
Unfortunately, until now they showed no great ecumenical enthusiasm…😦
 
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The Day The Church Allows Woman Priest is the Day I will LEAVE THE FAITH … :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
It would seem that we all have a special place in the body of Christ. I’ve always felt that women served in a special way at the very heart of the church. We are not the most visible part of the body perhaps, but certainly we have the honor of being a very important part. Without a healthy heart the body would die. The problem seems to be that we have let the world (satan?) convince us that our role is unimportant. It is interesting that with the exception of John only the women were at the cross with our Dear Lord at the crucifiction. Yes, men will always be priests and women won’t. But that isn’t becuase God has anything less important to ask of us. The problem isn’t in the church, the problem is with those of us who don’t see the value in saying yes to what God wants us to do instead of what we want to do.

God Bless
 
I think Christ meant the priesthood to be male forever and it doesn’t make me feel that women are being discriminated against. That doesn’t mean that they should be so under-represented in the top levels of administration, however. The Church would benefit from their wisdom.
 
Father Corapi discussed this and the issue of marriage in the priesthood very eloquently the other day. I wish I was able to hear all of it!

Anyway, look at it this way: First of all, the Bible does discuss the celibate priesthood and how it is a call and noble, etc. (Sorry, I don’t have the wording or the verses–but it’s both in the OT and NT ).
  • Eve was born out of the side of Adam.
  • The Church was born out of the side of of Christ, she is the Bride of Christ. (I think this is from the Theology of the Body).
  • The Priest, when he is ordained, DOES get married…to the Bride of Christ, the most beautiful bride in the world…his Church.
  • All the people of the Church, members of the Body of Christ, become the wife and children of the Priest who shepherds them. We call the Priest “Father” as he is a spiritual father to the parish.
  • Jesus told Simon Peter to “feed my sheep”, “feed my lambs”, etc. WE, the Church, are those sheep and lambs. What does a Father do, but feed his family? He is the breadwinner. What does the Priest do at the consecration? He blesses and provides us Spiritual food and drink, as ORDAINED by Jesus Christ IN PERSONA CHRISTI.
  • A woman CANNOT become a priest…to do so would imply a lesbian relationship. The CHURCH is utterly female in nature. Look at the spirituality of the Church…contemplative, solomn, yet joyful, nuturing, loving, graceful and cosmetically beautiful as well as intrinsically beautiful.
  • We are all members of the Body of Christ throgh his death and resurrection and sharing in Holy Communion. We all make up the parts of his Body and we all have a very special mission. The Priest is the head of this spiritual family, women go on nuturing the Church–women tend to be far more spiritual, overall, then men. We keep the Church going with our specific spiritual gifts. Men often suppor the church through their labors, physical, financial, and spiritual.
We all have our part and when we really break it down, for those who have an innate sense of the artistic…how can a woman fit in a a priest? To think that a woman can be ordained is inherently disordered.

The truth is the truth is the truth. The Church through the Holy Spirit has defined the TRUTH and this matter was settled long ago.

The Church is the bride of the priest, in persona Christi. We are married to Christ, Christ is married to us, and I, for one, have no intention of ever “marrying” a woman!

Women and women cannot bring forth the fruit of the Spirit, as Jesus was the blessed fruit of Mary’s womb. Sorry, guys, but even as men, as members of the Church you are feminine spiritually.

Women CANNOT and WILL NOT be ordained. Doctrine and Dogma both are set in stone and cannot be changed. The Holy Spirit has spoken. Why can’t people abide by the final WORD?
 
Hey folks,
this is aimed at Heather, and at all of us, I guess:
I think we should listen more compassionately. It’s human nature to get impassioned about our opinions, even when a little diplomacy would go a long way. Wasn’t the question brought up to elicit a variety of opinions? Isn’t this a forum?
I think all our actions have to be motivated by Love. Sometimes that means taking a stand, but we are not voting, are we? Just talking.
I say, let the girl talk. She’s a bright young woman and makes some points for a good discussion. Just because we have faith in God doesn’t mean God is always on our side. That’s a slippery slope, isn’t it? To be so certain of our righteousness that we harm someone?
I have taken a lot of critisism in my time, but I am really old. 🙂
Seriously, when we know we are bruising someone, let’s pull back a bit. Who here hasn’t evolved in their understanding over the years?
Lil’
 
I am 58 years old a wife, mother and grandmother.😃
The ordination of women is not subject to change. So the discussion of this will lead to nothing but wasted time.
That being said it still seems to be hotly discussed.:banghead:
Men and Women are complementary to one another not interchangeable.:tsktsk:

Kathleen Elsie Gibbs
Pray the Rosary and Divine Mercy daily
 
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KathleenElsie:
I am 58 years old a wife, mother and grandmother.😃
The ordination of women is not subject to change. So the discussion of this will lead to nothing but wasted time.
That being said it still seems to be hotly discussed.:banghead:
Men and Women are complementary to one another not interchangeable.:tsktsk:

Kathleen Elsie Gibbs
Pray the Rosary and Divine Mercy daily
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Posts # 140, 141, and 147 are excellent for answering the question of a poster who asked why if priests today are not Jewish, 30, and sons of carpenters why does the maleness define who a priest is.

Thanks. Although I knew that Christ is the bridegroom of the Church, I knew the priest represented Christ, I did not connect it in a very real way as a relationship with the Church except in a very vague “symbollic” way.

Saying having women priests would make a lesbian relationship spells it out in a way that is undeniable and makes sense.

I hope that those explanations help those who do not understand or think women may be priests.

God Bless,
Maria
 
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Faustina:
one of the things that always attracted me to Catholicism is the distinction of roles of men and women. They are separate, distinct, but both are extremely important and are complimentary to each other.
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I agree. Yet another reason Catholics should be well versed in Theology of the Body. The fact that men and women are different is part of the beautiful mystery that God, as He is above human understanding, encapsulates all that is good. Masculinity and femininity are two different expressions of God’s image and the bounty of his love.

I just love our faith! :rolleyes:
 
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If a Priest is acting “In Personnae Christie” (sp?) --then Christ was NOT a woman.

Sorry folks, but I am not a women’s libber in the least bit. I am totally against women’s ordination. This is one reason why I left the Episcopal Church. It is not right, nor supposed to be, in my opinion anyway. I know full well women are competent, spiritual, etc., but this is besides the point. I sure hope the Catholic Church will never ordain women. Just my 2 cents!
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EXACTLY…Its like making a movie about Mother Teresa and casting Tom Hanks in the lead role…

I have never understood women who believe there should be female priests…it’s like a little girl saying that she wants to be a good daddy someday.
 
I think that this whole issue is based on the confusion between the a woman’s function and a woman’s worth. Our function is not to be a priest. Just like a man’s function is not to have a baby. So when the priestly function is fufilled by a man, we fully understand the mystery of Christ and His spouse, the Church. Christ is a man, the priest in persona Christi has to be a man. His function as such does not imply his superiority over women. It just reinforces his function as a man. When the roles between men and women are clear, then each one can go about fulfilling the role God set out for us. When the roles are blurred, then the functions are blurred, and when the functions are blurred, God’s plan can’t be fulfilled. Think about it, if a man assumes a woman’s role, and a woman assumes a man’s role, then how can the truth, which the function of each role embodies, come forth? Our functions as a man and a woman are imbued within us, placed their by God. If we seek to deny these roles, then we don’t act function properly and we have confusion.
 
I trust the Church’s authority on this decision. Ultimately,
the Holy Spirit is in charge…so I don’t sweat it.

I used to think it was unfair, but as I’ve matured I’ve realized that the idea of family, from God’s perspective, is focused on very special roles. And a woman’s role is very important. We are not less, but different and unique. I look at Mary’s role, and it’s easy to see that she is the most highly exalted of all human beings, inlcuding all of the Apostles who Jesus chose, knew, and loved.

I do not worry about taking men’s roles, I think ours is even better. I wouldn’t trade the gift of birth and motherhood for anything. I’d prefer to see women be respected for who they are, and to respect themselves by NOT participating in such things as pornography, prostitution, and abortion. I’d like to see women raised back to the pedestal of ealier years, when women were cherished and respected, and the family was intact. The idea of family is very important to God. And as all us women KNOW, we are key to keeping the family together…wink! wink!

There are many more reasons, more biblical and theological…but those are my thoughts, plain and simple.
 
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cecelia:
I think that this whole issue is based on the confusion between the a woman’s function and a woman’s worth. Our function is not to be a priest. Just like a man’s function is not to have a baby. So when the priestly function is fufilled by a man, we fully understand the mystery of Christ and His spouse, the Church. Christ is a man, the priest in persona Christi has to be a man. His function as such does not imply his superiority over women. It just reinforces his function as a man. When the roles between men and women are clear, then each one can go about fulfilling the role God set out for us. When the roles are blurred, then the functions are blurred, and when the functions are blurred, God’s plan can’t be fulfilled. Think about it, if a man assumes a woman’s role, and a woman assumes a man’s role, then how can the truth, which the function of each role embodies, come forth? Our functions as a man and a woman are imbued within us, placed their by God. If we seek to deny these roles, then we don’t act function properly and we have confusion.
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beautifully expressed.
 
there isn’t a ‘don’t know’ box on the poll!
I used to think no women couldn’t be priests then I met a few ordained women from the C of E and thought maybe they could do many of the things a priest does like visit the sick, pray with people, counsel them (but then a lot of women in the Catholic church do these things without being ordained). I’ve been to services led by women priests but not eucharists I’m not sure having one preside at mass would feel right…:confused:
 
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hthrlu:
I am 25 years old, with a strong feminist background (don’t mistake that for stereotypically “feminazi” - I am pro-life, and I want to stay home and raise my children, **but I believe that women are equal to men in value and worth). **
God bless,
Heather
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So do I (I have FOUR daughters) But what does that have to do with the ordination of women?
 
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