Women Priests? Never

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M**any people are not aware that Bl. Pope John Paul II infallibly stated that women can never become priests in ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS :
  1. Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church’s judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force.
Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_22051994_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html
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Key sentence: " I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful."

Key word: “definitively”

THAT, ladies and germs, was an act of Papal Infallibility.

And still there are groups of “Catholic” women with websites promoting female priests. It ironic that they deny Papal authority and Papal infalliblity and still want to be priests. Why aren’t these people excommunicated?
 
Say a prayer for all those sad nuns searching so desperately for power without purpose. We all know that without holy women the Church would not exist today. However, we have seen too much dissent and pride in the organised American group of nuns, supposedly representing the whole population of nuns.
It is pride that blinds them to the Truth of the Church’s teachings on this and other issues such as abortion and contraception. Pray to Mary that she as a woman will have kind words for them before their Judge.
 
TerryOfromCA said:
That sentence seems to contradict itslef.
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No it does not.

I could make a statement “The nature of the Godhead is a unity of Three Divine persons”

I did not state that infallibly, because the conditions of infallibility were not met (not the least of which is that I am not the Pope)

But the statement is an infallible statement, as it is part of the Infallible teachings of the Church. What I did was truthfully state an already infallible teaching of the Church

Pope John Paul II made no new statements on Faith, he did no speak Ex Cathedra. What he did, and as then Cardinal Ratzninger noted, was truthfully state an already infallible teaching of the Church
 
Deacon Jeff and Brendan are correct.

It is rather peculiar. On one of the “women priests” websites, they even post the text of both John Paul II’s Apostolic Letter and the CDF’s follow-up clarification. So it’s not a matter of them not knowing these statements are out there. They simply say that two non-infallible statements cannot add up to one infallible teaching.

It really comes from them misunderstanding what the ordinary and universal Magisterium is. They think it is merely the “voice of the people.” And since they are part of “the people” and they don’t believe the teaching, they think it, therefore, cannot be part of the faith that must be held to by all.
 
Brendan said:
No it does not.

I could make a statement “The nature of the Godhead is a unity of Three Divine persons”

I did not state that infallibly, because the conditions of infallibility were not met (not the least of which is that I am not the Pope)

But the statement is an infallible statement, as it is part of the Infallible teachings of the Church. What I did was truthfully state an already infallible teaching of the Church

Pope John Paul II made no new statements on Faith, he did no speak Ex Cathedra. What he did, and as then Cardinal Ratzninger noted, was truthfully state an already infallible teaching of the Church
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Well I won’t belabor the point.
Nevertheless, women cannot be priests, and I think all are agreed that is an infallible “teaching.” Yes?
 
My personal opinion is Why not? We need to spread interpret the Bible on this issue as we do with other things, and thus, in a way adapted to the modern life.As for some interpretations we must accept falling of the Berlin Wall, and for the Bible we have to accept that many things in the old and the Middle Ages changed to modern time.’‘Perestroika’’ in interpretation 😉
 
Yea but at a time in America when we have abortion on demand, a big time fight to change the definition of marriage, religious liberty in trouble etc. etc. etc. To me it is not the time to even debate about this or allowing married priests. I do see people quite often who are in the Church align their views with bad laws and politics rather than the Church. As Bl.John Paul II says, the Church doesnt even have the authority to change the priesthood. I think fliers should go out at all parishes teaching why we believe what we believe and stand firm with our faith. Fliers Piously stating why marriage should be between a man and a woman, fliers why priestly celibacy is so important (like JPII letter’s), why men and women equal in dignity but have different roles, etc, etc, etc.
 
Menthol said:
My personal opinion is Why not? We need to spread interpret the Bible on this issue as we do with other things, and thus, in a way adapted to the modern life.As for some interpretations we must accept falling of the Berlin Wall, and for the Bible we have to accept that many things in the old and the Middle Ages changed to modern time.’‘Perestroika’’ in interpretation 😉
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Why not? Because the Church has infallibly stated it cannot do it. Please re-read Ordinatio Sacrodotalis.
 
Menthol said:
My personal opinion is Why not?..
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That is not an opinion, that is a question. The answer to that question is: The Holy Spirit, through the Magisterium of the Church, has said it cannot be done.

We can ask “Why” to a whole host of things that make no sense:
  • Why did the Son enter the world as a baby, why not just appear - poof - and get down to business.
  • Why did God wait so many millenia before finally bringing salvation to all mankind.
Why why why?

Well, it is enough that it is so. The “why” is besides the point.
 
Women are very valuable in the Church, though not as Priests certainly. Nuns are well-respected around here, just look at how many threads we have praising the work that our Nuns do—

Actually, never mind.
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
Women are very valuable in the Church, though not as Priests certainly. Nuns are well-respected around here, just look at how many threads we have praising the work that our Nuns do—

Actually, never mind.
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So bad on so many levels. Hee Hee!
 
This doesnt mean we cant ask questions but after reading Church documents, listening to our Bishops and seeing how things are at our present time in the USA, it may be better to say “I dont understand this,but I am going to keep on praying and reading about it from good sources.” An un-prudent thing to do (even when it is a Church discipline) is take your own opinion and teach others it.
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
just look at how many threads we have praising the work that our Nuns do—

Actually, never mind.
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Nuns by their very vocation are meant to be hidden in Christ, aren’t they? Only their Spouse knows how much they do for aching mankind and for Holy Church.

True, this is by degrees. Some work wonderfully in the world, while others are entirely hidden from it. However, I haven’t seen that many threads praising the work of monks and friars, either.

Honestly, this thread is a nice reminder of something that is as old as it gets. Already 1500 years ago we find a letter from a Pope stating: “we have heard with irritation that divine things have come to such lack of respect that women are encouraged to minister at the sacred altars and to perform all the things that do not belong to them, which are assigned only to the service of men”. Let’s be blunt: the Church has never and will never ordain women, because this is not God’s will. Heretics have always and will always bring forth “womenpriests” because that is the nature of error: to distort divinely established order and hierarchy - in the Church, in the society, in the family.
 
If women were ordained priests the church would no longer be Catholic.
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
Women are very valuable in the Church, though not as Priests certainly. Nuns are well-respected around here, just look at how many threads we have praising the work that our Nuns do—

Actually, never mind.
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I agree 100%.

In fact, a person - male or female - can often reach more people and accomplish things on a grander scale than the average parish priest can. Just look at Kimberly Hahn and Scott Hahn.
 
If the church doesn’t have the authority to ordain women priests (as clearly stated), I’m confused why the women are asking the church to ordain them.

Just my 2 cents worth of nonsense.
 
spiderweb said:
If the church doesn’t have the authority to ordain women priests (as clearly stated), I’m confused why the women are asking the church to ordain them.

Just my 2 cents worth of nonsense.
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Unfortunately there are many Catholics who rebel against their own Church’s teachings and authority. Don’t ask me why; it makes no sense to me. They are sort of like Protestant Catholics. LOL
 
spiderweb said:
If the church doesn’t have the authority to ordain women priests (as clearly stated), I’m confused why the women are asking the church to ordain them.

Just my 2 cents worth of nonsense.
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These women (often in the U.S.) seek this out from what greatly seems to be an Americanized demand for democratic gender equality…what some may classify under a form of radical feminism.

A key indicator can be found in the many news interviews of these women who attempt ordination illicitly. They often speak about what the ordination can do for themselves, not what they expect to do for God. As others have noted, there are plenty of women who do great things for the Church despite being ineligible for the priesthood–from the Blessed Virgin on down.

What most of these women are doing is conflating service to God and established roles with feminism’s desire to deny gender roles as well as attempting to apply a pseudo-democratic American “right” to be what they’d like to be, no matter what the consequences or God has taught us.
 
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