Women priests

[cyprian]

Wanting to be a priest and actually being called are two different things. Wanting has a legislative ring whereas being called is only to serve. Giving up everything to SERVE.

 

[InSearchOfGod]

cyprian:

Wanting to be a priest and actually being called are two different things. Wanting has a legislative ring whereas being called is only to serve. Giving up everything to SERVE.

This is true! Unfortunately, if somebody really wants to be something, they may make themself believe that they are being called.

 

[PreVatII]

InSearchOfGod:

I hope this is the right area for a post like this. I have a friend who goes to my church who is a girl and wants to be a priest, and is very upset that she can not do so. I’m having trouble figuring out what I should say to her.

She may want to look at the Episcopal church. Anything goes in my old denomination, and she will be welcomed with open arms! She may even be made a “bishop.”

 

[nordskoven]

Christ, the Second Adam, atoned for the Sin of Adam that brought sin and death into the world. It’s not the “Sin of Adam & Eve.”

Adam blamed the Woman, but God then gave her here own ultimate authority in Genesis 3:15. God cursed Lucifer with the Woman, and his seed with her Seed. “I (God) will put enmity between thee (Lucifer) and the woman, between thy seed and her Seed; and he/she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.”

Adam’s ultimate authority was as steward of life even unto death. Christ fulfilled this role of Kinsman-Redeemer. Woman’s authority is to crush the Father of Lies and Murder and his minions, her and her Seed. Jesus and the Virgin Mary fulfill the role of Woman & Seed.

Christ acted under dual authority, that of Adam giving the ultimate service, and as Seed, the Genesis collective term pointing to the Body of Christ. Woman gives life, and would not offer her Seed in the Eucharist like some kind of grisly child sacrifice. This issue is decided. Woman may not be blamed for the Sin of Adam, and males alone may serve as ALTER CHRISTUS, atoning for the Sin of Adam. In all ages when cultural Catholics blamed Eve, woman’s rights were removed and women were subject to violence. Bad idea…

 

[InSearchOfGod]

PreVatII:

She may want to look at the Episcopal church. Anything goes in my old denomination, and she will be welcomed with open arms! She may even be made a “bishop.”

I know she is faithful enough in Catholicism to never change religions simply for preisthood. There are much more important differences between the churches than just the nature of preisthood.

 

[mlchance]

InSearchOfGod:

I guess this kind of spins off into another topic . . . how can you be sure what the Holy Spirit is telling you, and how do you tell someone “that’s not the Holy Spirit talking to you” when they believe it so much?

Start with the most basic: The Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion. Since women cannot receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders, it follows rather nicely that the Holy Spirit is not calling any woman to the priesthood.

The trick then become determining what the exact call is. This requires humility, prayer, seeking the advice of others, and then more humility and prayer. Pride is the killer of discernment. No one should ever say, “I want to be a priest.” Instead, they must honestly say, “God wants me to be a priest.” This is something that no woman can honestly say. It is also something that many, if not most, men cannot honest say.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[palmas85]

Over the years I often felt and sometimes still do feel the desire to be a Priest. However, my desire to be one, is just that, a desire. Due to a multitude of factors in my life, age and education foremost among them, I would never be considered. The fact that I want something does not mean that I am called to it, or that it is necerssarily what is right. I can understand anyones feelings and distress over this, but it is something that we must accept. At no point did Christ tell us that our paths would be easy or that we would have everything we wanted. And I believe firmly that pertains especially to a position as important as the ordained Priesthood.

 

[vienna]

Dr. Bombay:

Tell her to become an Episcopalian. They’ve got girl priests coming out their ears.

Soon, they’ll be ordaining dogs and chickens to the priesthood. How inclusive.

Am I the only one who is shocked at the level of discourse used by some Catholics in discussing the ordination of women?

In another thread, a recent post criticises Anglicans for “ordaining women and practicing homosexuals”. The language of this argument and of Dr. Bombay’s post seems to imply that women are disqualified from ordination because they are morally unsuitable or even subhuman.

Even though the posters may not have intended these implications, we all need to watch our words for the sake of the non-Catholics (and the women!!) who may read them. We are told to avoid even the appearance of evil.

 

[Scott_Waddell]

On the call issue:

All potential candidates for priesthood have to have BOTH an interior call and an exterior call. The interior of course in personal discernment. The exterior is from the Church. Since it is impossible for the Church to recognize a female call, any claim by an individual to have one must be in error. The female may indeed be called to something, just not the priesthood.

Scott

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

puzzleannie:

InSearchOfGod:

If one of us feels we are “missing out” by not taking a priestly role–preaching, consecrating, presiding–or another ministerial role–lector, reader, minister of communion, cantor etc.–than we have a very inadequate notion of the meaning of full, active participation in the Mass. Everyone there, when engaged in doing what the ritual calls for at the moment-listening, responding, praying, singing, posture, attentiveness, receiving, communicating, meditation etc.-- is fully, actively participating, and fully present in this sacramental, sacrificial action.

The root of your friend’s dilemma is misunderstanding of the ontological nature of the priesthood, and of the Mass itself, both of which can be cured by proper catechesis and receptivity to the Christ-given authority of the Church.

***BRAVISSIMA!!! ***

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

vienna:

Am I the only one who is shocked at the level of discourse used by some Catholics in discussing the ordination of women?

In another thread, a recent post criticises Anglicans for “ordaining women and practicing homosexuals”. The language of this argument and of Dr. Bombay’s post seems to imply that women are disqualified from ordination because they are morally unsuitable or even subhuman.

Even though the posters may not have intended these implications, we all need to watch our words for the sake of the non-Catholics (and the women!!) who may read them. We are told to avoid even the appearance of evil.

No, Dr. Bombay, while lacking in tact, is just tried of the same old, same old. When you’ve been here awhile, perhaps you’ll understand how he feels.