Women Priests?

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englishredrose said:
Go back to the days when no one saw what was happening on the Altar because it was so protected etc, rood screens etc. Priests wear gowns so we do not really identify who they are. Now if we went back to those times sadly you know she is female via her voice, but if there was a general mix on the Altar you wouldn’t know who carried out what at what time would you …
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With all sacraments, substance is of great import.

Thus, a person may attempt to be baptized in vodka, and the congregation wouldn’t know the difference, but even if it appeared that this person was baptized, he was not. Water is required for baptism.

Proper matter is required for the confection of any sacrament.

And thus, even if the congregation thought that it was a man celebrating Mass on the altar when it was actually a woman, she is not an ordained priest.
 
PRmerger said:
With all sacraments, substance is of great import.

Thus, a person may attempt to be baptized in vodka, and the congregation wouldn’t know the difference, but even if it appeared that this person was baptized, he was not. Water is required for baptism.

Proper matter is required for the confection of any sacrament.

And thus, even if the congregation thought that it was a man celebrating Mass on the altar when it was actually a woman, she is not an ordained priest.
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That would, I think, be a case of an invalid minister of the sacrament.

GKC
 
Moonbug said:
Now that is interesting. A friend of my wife was a Dominican Nun for many years. She left the Church and was ordained a Lutheran minister.
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“Lutheran” in name only, just as the church body she apostocized to. The Lutheran Confessions, as a mere reflection of Scripture, are quite clear:
Article XIV: Of Ecclesiastical Order.
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Of Ecclesiastical Order they teach that no one should publicly teach in the Church or administer the Sacraments unless he be regularly called.
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GKC said:
Sure. Which is why it was said to be part of the deposit of the faith.

A few more, for post-padding, maybe.

GKC
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What’s this with “Post padding,” GKC? Do you really think my life is so empty that I would actually spend enough time on this web page to where I built up over 8,000 entries. That isn’t going to happen. :eek::eek::eek:
 
adrift said:
I wonder if you know who the Cardinal is? Do you know what a typo is? Do you know how to document your statements? Can you site a source? Do you even have one? What Popes do you refer to?
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Hmmmm! Now, what was the question, adrift??? :rolleyes:
 
Moonbug said:
What’s this with “Post padding,” GKC? Do you really think my life is so empty that I would actually spend enough time on this web page to where I built up over 8,000 entries. That isn’t going to happen. :eek::eek::eek:
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Nah. I doubt you would be around for that long. Post padding is for me. If there is no other point to posting. Sometimes.

GKC
 
Picky_Picky said:
In my youth I thought the Council of Trent was in Nottingham.
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I got one better, Picky Picky. When I first went into the Army during the Korean War, I was a 19 year old soldier on tour in Washington, D.C. I toured the National Cathedral for 30 minutes before the very kind gentleman who was showing me around told me that it wasn’t a Catholic cathedral, but the Episcopal cathedral. Being a country boy I surmised when I noticed the tabernacle was missing on the main alter it was the way they did things in a big city cathedral.
The old guy almost fell over with laughter. We became friends and he bought me lunch. For many years after that, I’d stop by, when in Washington, and see him until he passed.

I made up for my booboo years later when I was present on the day they consecrated the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington. I remember in grade school all us kids contributed our pennies to help build it. The architecture is Byzantine. It is beautiful and I hope you see it one day. The afternoon Mass was celebrated for the heads of government and the diplomatic corps by Cardinal Spellman of New Your, and the evening Mass, which I attended, was celebrated by Cardinal Cushing of Boston… So don’t feel embarrassed. You have to be really naïve to walk around a Church of England Cathedral and not know it’s Catholic. 😊😊😊
 
Moonbug said:
I got one better, Picky Picky. When I first went into the Army during the Korean War, I was a 19 year old soldier on tour in Washington, D.C. I toured the National Cathedral for 30 minutes before the very kind gentleman who was showing me around told me that it wasn’t a Catholic cathedral, but the Episcopal cathedral. Being a country boy I surmised when I noticed the tabernacle was missing on the main alter it was the way they did things in a big city cathedral.
The old guy almost fell over with laughter. We became friends and he bought me lunch. For many years after that, I’d stop by, when in Washington, and see him until he passed.

I made up for my booboo years later when I was present on the day they conc the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception there in Washington. I remember in grade school all us kids contributed our pennies to help build it. The architecture is Byzantine. It is beautiful and I hope you see it one day. The afternoon Mass was celebrated for the heads of government and the diplomatic corps by Cardinal Spellman of New Your, and the evening Mass, which I attended, was celebrated by Cardinal Cushing of Boston… So don’t feel embarrassed. You have to be really naïve to walk around a Church of England Cathedral and not know it’s Catholic. 😊😊😊
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I first went there in 1960, then rather often in the mid 80s.

How far along was it when you first saw it?

GKC
 
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