Women Scorn Veiled Women. Why?

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Many women deeply fear wearing any form of head covering to the Holy Sacrifice.

Who can blame them? They face some of the most fearsome treatment imaginable from other females, and only females, if they cover their heads for Mass. Men either don’t care or think it’s great, but would never shun or gossip about anyone who did.

Why do women treat veiled women so badly?
 
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cargopilot:
Many women deeply fear wearing any form of head covering to the Holy Sacrifice.

Who can blame them? They face some of the most fearsome treatment imaginable from other females, and only females, if they cover their heads for Mass. Men either don’t care or think it’s great, but would never shun or gossip about anyone who did.

Why do women treat veiled women so badly?
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I’m not at all sure that they do – that might simply be your interpretation.

If they do however, keep in mind that it might have little or nothing to do with the veil…
 
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cargopilot:
Many women deeply fear wearing any form of head covering to the Holy Sacrifice.

Who can blame them? They face some of the most fearsome treatment imaginable from other females, and only females, if they cover their heads for Mass. Men either don’t care or think it’s great, but would never shun or gossip about anyone who did.

Why do women treat veiled women so badly?
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In my experience those that do this consider the wearing of the mantilla a step back in the feminist movement.
 
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Chalice:
I’m not at all sure that they do – that might simply be your interpretation.

If they do however, keep in mind that it might have little or nothing to do with the veil…
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It might be just my interpretation, but in my parish if you want to be a mis-fit, there’s no quicker way than by wearing a veil. I’ve heard the talk about the two or three in my parish who did for a little while, and it was brutal. My wife would like to wear a veil, but never will, simply from fear of wholesale exclusion. And the talk on these boards…WOAH, it’s tough.

Personally, I really admire any female who has the guts to do it.
 
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mosher:
In my experience those that do this consider the wearing of the mantilla a step back in the feminist movement.
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I think you have hit the proverbial nail on the head, Mosher!. I am in full support of any women who want to wear veils. But then, I am not a feminist.
 
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cargopilot:
It might be just my interpretation, but in my parish if you want to be a mis-fit, there’s no quicker way than by wearing a veil. I’ve heard the talk about the two or three in my parish who did for a little while, and it was brutal. My wife would like to wear a veil, but never will, simply from fear of wholesale exclusion. And the talk on these boards…WOAH, it’s tough.

Personally, I really admire any female who has the guts to do it.
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If that fear actually exists, I would leave anyway. Who would want to stay in such a parish?

I think in many cases an attitude comes along with the veil…
 
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Chalice:
I think in many cases an attitude comes along with the veil…
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I guess our experiences are different, then. Mine are that the attitudes usually belong to the women who are NOT wearing the veils 😉
 
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Chalice:
If that fear actually exists, I would leave anyway. Who would want to stay in such a parish?

I think in many cases an attitude comes along with the veil…
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My wife just told me ‘everyone’ would laugh at her. Her best friend would laugh at her, along with all her other friends. She would be the target of jokes for some time, but only from the females.

You could be right, it may just be only at my own parish and nothing of the sort could be found at any other parish in the USA, but I’ve seen some of the most uncharitable remarks I’ve ever seen, right here on this forum, on this very topic and they’ve all been from females.

As a male, I find it odd that something that to me, seems so innocuous, is so emotionally charged. Why is this such a big deal?
 
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cargopilot:
I’ve seen some of the most uncharitable remarks I’ve ever seen, right here on this forum, on this very topic and they’ve all been from females.

As a male, I find it odd that something that to me, seems so innocuous, is so emotionally charged. Why is this such a big deal?
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Because the women who don’t wear the veils think the women who do, are wearing them to publicly state their holiness. :rolleyes:
 
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paramedicgirl:
Because the women who don’t wear the veils think the women who do, are wearing them to publicly state their holiness. :rolleyes:
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What’s that, envy then?

Actually, as it seems that only women attack women who wear a veil, I side with Mosher that it’s just rancid feminism, i.e., the ideology after which being a woman or feminine is bad or the masculinization of women.

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I have posted on this and posted on this until I a blue in the fingers. I have explained the history of such things.I’ve had others verify it. So, if I sem a bit frustrated on the point, forgive me.

If a woman WANTS to wear a veil, or a ballcap, or a 19th century winged event with a wide brim and a hunk of veil that hides her eyes, that is between God and her. More power to her if he feels God is calling her to do something and she does it. Personal obedience is a hard row to hoe.

It is NOT a requirement. If you don’t believe me, check out Jimmy Akin and Colin Donovan, who are very much in line with the Magisterium. It’s a matter of what is considered modest for the times, a discipline. It is NOT a dogma.

I won’t wear one NOT because of feminism (which is different from what passes for it today). I won’t wear one 1.) because I am not obligated to do so. 2.) because I don’t feel God expects that of me. 2.) because I think a lot of men who weren’t around when hats (and babuskas and other headgear) were worn by women romanticize the whole thing; either that, or they don’t remember. From women who do it, I hear the positive things it does for their relationship with God. From men, it tends to sound as if it takes the emphasis off Mass and places some distraction around them, despite their pleas for it. 3.) A woman does not need to be “veiled” to be modest. Pieces of lace are hardly modest and don’t hide a thing. If anything, lace emphasizes, not hides. You’re not going to get the modest veiling of St. Paul’s era unless you institute chadors, jabibs, and burkas. And yes, I object to all three.
 
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cargopilot:
My wife just told me ‘everyone’ would laugh at her. Her best friend would laugh at her, along with all her other friends. She would be the target of jokes for some time, but only from the females.

You could be right, it may just be only at my own parish and nothing of the sort could be found at any other parish in the USA, but I’ve seen some of the most uncharitable remarks I’ve ever seen, right here on this forum, on this very topic and they’ve all been from females.

As a male, I find it odd that something that to me, seems so innocuous, is so emotionally charged. Why is this such a big deal?
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Perhaps because you are trying to make it one?
 
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OutinChgoburbs:
You’re not going to get the modest veiling of St. Paul’s era unless you institute chadors, jabibs, and burkas. And yes, I object to all three.
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That’s quite telling that veils ended up being equated with chadors, jabibs and burkas… :rolleyes:

:blessyou:
 
To be honest, I have never seen a person wear a viel who was not getting married. I had to look up “mantilla” on google so I could see what you all were even talking about. You are talking about the Spanish style lace hair accessory, right? Your not talking about 50’s style pillbox hats? Or are you talking about any head coverings for women during mass? I think women don’t wear them because they are not 1)fashionable and 2)easy to find. I suspect you would have to buy them special order or something. Personally, I don’t care if someone wears it or not. I personally love the pillbox style vieled hats, but I don’t know if I could pull it off. 🙂
 
Some women might “scorn” veiled women. Some might admire them. And some might not give two hoots either way.

I am sorry that the OP has had anecdotal evidence about worries on the part of his wife. No matter how accurate or not that might be, the question is, is the matter sufficiently important that one does it (wears the veil) because it is right, IN SPITE OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN?

If a person is truly convinced that something is the right thing to do and should be done, that person should do it, provided it truly IS a moral and worthwhile thing to do. If the person merely thinks something is a good thing, but it is not REQUIRED of the person, that person does not HAVE to do it.

As another poster pointed out, a woman does not HAVE to wear a head covering, though it is a good thing and it is certainly an option for any woman who thinks it good and wishes to wear it in a spirit of humility, respect, and love.

She can likewise choose NOT to wear it. . .but NOT because she is “afraid of other women teasing her”. That is cowardly, not prudent. She can choose not to wear it because she does not wish to cause others to sin by being uncharitable to her, but only if she really does not mind not wearing it.

If the situation is as the OP describes it, it would be well for the bishop of that diocese to institute some nice workshop where the history of the veil is given, and also for him to check that there is not too much of the secularization and “second class citizen angst” that can arise when people mix up what society tells them they should be as opposed to what Jesus teaches us we should be. His idea of male and female equality is radically different from the secular, and it should be much more highly disseminated and taught, IMO. Enough education, and a lot of the current psychobabble and priestessizing would disappear. . .
 
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beckyann2597:
To be honest, I have never seen a person wear a veil who was not getting married. I had to look up “mantilla” on google so I could see what you all were even talking about.
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I don’t believe so. It’s not elaborated at all and such pieces of fabric are not hard to find, even if not originally intended for a head cover (no joke, but I think that some coffee table cloth would do). See latin-mass-society.org/wearmantilla.htm.

:blessyou:
 
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cargopilot:
Many women deeply fear wearing any form of head covering to the Holy Sacrifice.

Who can blame them? They face some of the most fearsome treatment imaginable from other females, and only females, if they cover their heads for Mass. Men either don’t care or think it’s great, but would never shun or gossip about anyone who did.

Why do women treat veiled women so badly?
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Good question - find a “nun” in your local parish and ask her why she doesn’t wear her habit.
 
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Augustine:
I don’t believe so. It’s not elaborated at all and such pieces of fabric are nto hard to find, even if not originally intended for a head cover (no joke, but I think that some coffee table cloth would do). See latin-mass-society.org/wearmantilla.htm.

:blessyou:
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I’m sorry, I don’t understand your reply. You don’t believe I’ve never seen a woman wearing a mantilla or viel at a weekly mass? I assure I haven’t. Maybe it’s where I live? I guess it depends on where you are in the world and the average age of the parishoners. Most people at my parish are around my age, young with families. I grew up way after the Vatican 2 reforms, so maybe if you have a lot of people from pre Vatican 2 days at your parish, then you would see it.
 
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beckyann2597:
I’m sorry, I don’t understand your reply. You don’t believe I’ve never seen a woman wearing a mantilla or viel at a weekly mass? I assure I haven’t.
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I do believe you haven’t. As you gave me the impression that you thought it was an elaborate head covering, I just meant to point one I happened to find in the Internet.
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beckyann2597:
I grew up way after the Vatican 2 reforms, so maybe if you have a lot of people from pre Vatican 2 days at your parish, then you would see it.
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Well, so did I. When I was baptized, VII was already in full swing. 😉

:blessyou:
 
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