Women wearing a headcovering in church

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I wear a veil now as an adult although I didn’t as a kid or teenager. When I made my First Communion I was excited to wear a veil because it made me feel more special. In my present parish, my mom and I were two of only a handful of veiled women a few years ago. Now, there are many more.

When I visited my husband’s family and went to a school Mass, I was the only veiled woman present. His much younger brother, who was in high school at the time, told me later that his teacher had noticed me and told the class that I was “weird.” It saddened me at first but then I realized that this mortification was good for me. I won’t stop wearing the veil. I prefer it. I still feel special. 🙂
It’s very sad to me that any Catholic would call another Catholic weird for wearing a veil or head covering to Mass. 😦
 
I have recently ordered a mantilla. An adult convert, head covering was never urged on me, but recently I find myself more and more WANTING to cover my head when I receive the Eucharist.
 
It’s very sad to me that any Catholic would call another Catholic weird for wearing a veil or head covering to Mass. 😦
Yes, I agree, although I’m not surprised either. What is even more sad is that this was a teacher who has some sort of influence on her impressionable students. What kind of message does that send to a teenager - especially to a teenage girl who may want to consider wearing a veil as part of her devotion to God?
 
Yes, I agree, although I’m not surprised either. What is even more sad is that this was a teacher who has some sort of influence on her impressionable students. What kind of message does that send to a teenager - especially to a teenage girl who may want to consider wearing a veil as part of her devotion to God?
True. I hadn’t thought of it that way. Well, I can only console myself with the idea that God takes everything and makes something good with it, even my missed opportunities.
 
I wear a veil now as an adult although I didn’t as a kid or teenager. When I made my First Communion I was excited to wear a veil because it made me feel more special. In my present parish, my mom and I were two of only a handful of veiled women a few years ago. Now, there are many more.

When I visited my husband’s family and went to a school Mass, I was the only veiled woman present. His much younger brother, who was in high school at the time, told me later that his teacher had noticed me and told the class that I was “weird.” It saddened me at first but then I realized that this mortification was good for me. I won’t stop wearing the veil. I prefer it. I still feel special. 🙂
I admire your courage. It does make you special! 👍
 
1 Cor 11:6 For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil.

Most women have their hair cut off today and no longer wear their hair long like they did in biblical times. If the part of Scripture as to wearing the veil is to be followed literally, would it be the same for this verse as well?
I would think it would be the same and is to be taken literally. However, I don’t think this is a serious moral teaching. Modesty may be involved. You may be aware that Jesus spoke of the letter and spirit of the law. Suppose a woman wore a veil but also torn Jeans and a T-shirt. I think we could say that she would be within the letter of what St. Paul is teaching but violationg the principle more than someone who dressed respectfully but did not wear a veil.

Also, I again refer you to 1 Cor 11:16 as it seems apparent that these teachings are a recommendation and He even indicates that the custom is not in practice.
 
The rule for women covering their heads was never abrogated (kind of like the Mass of Pius V) so actually, that law is still in effect. It is just ignored like so many other laws of the Church. Apparently, in this age of liberation, it is not en vogue to obey Church laws. Pity, really. Yet another fruit of the pernicious “spirit of Vatican 2.”

Here is an article that outlines this quite nicely:
lumengentleman.com/content.asp?id=220
Unlike the mass, the 1983 code of canon law does abrogate prior codes. OMISSION is a change.
 
As it is not a cultural norm and not required there is no law that says women have to wear veils. No woman should be looked down upon for not wearing one at all.

Now since the Bible recommends it, tradition recommends it and since it is done out of respect for the Angels at Mass it should be done. If it is a good thing to do then it should be done out of respect and also in imitation of the Blessed Mother.

Since these days respect isn’t something that is held up as something good it is perfectly understandable for many people to ignore this. Since many women and men do not see holiness as something to foster, it is understandable also to see imitating the Blessed Mother as something to ignore.
The result is then that many Catholics do not see respect or humility as something to conform to, but just to misrepresent by redefining humility to mean that everyone else shut their mouths and not tell anyone else how to better respect God or His creation.

God Bless
Scylla
Good words, Scylla. I would like to point out that respect involves cultural variation too. I would never wear a hat to Mass but by the same token I would never enter a synagogue with my head uncovered. In both cases I am showing respect.

With respect to Catholic law and tradition, I appreciated the conclusion of my grad school Scripture professor. While acknowledging that there is no law or discipline regarding headwear at Mass, he would abide by Paul’s advice “for the sake of the angels.”

JSA+
 
While acknowledging that there is no law or discipline regarding headwear at Mass, he would abide by Paul’s advice “for the sake of the angels.”

JSA+
And this is why I cover my head at Mass. I truly love this practice, and I would feel extremely exposed and “naked” without it.

More and more I’m seeing women and even young girls covering their heads at Mass. About three weeks ago we went to a friend’s parish (St. Josephat in Detroit) for TLM, and I was so please to see so many covered heads! Even a family with four girls - all five of them (with mom) had their heads covered. It was so beautiful to see. And I notice that when the younger ones have their heads covered they seem to behave better too. It is a constant reminder to them of where they are and that they are to pay attention and behave. The devotion seems to have the same effect on me, and I’m 43!! 😃

I’m very blessed to belong to a parish, and to visit other like minded parishes, where my covered head is welcome. Not all women are so fortunate, and I pray that some day that will change for them so that they can feel free to do this without being condemned for it.

~Liza
 
I’m very blessed to belong to a parish, and to visit other like minded parishes, where my covered head is welcome. Not all women are so fortunate, and I pray that some day that will change for them so that they can feel free to do this without being condemned for it.

~Liza
This good Christian is to be commended.

It requires an imbecile of exceptional audacity to condemn women for respecting the teaching of St. Paul in 1 Cor. 11, which has not been revoked, will not be revoked, and cannot be revoked.
 
Head covering isn’t mentioned in the current Canon Law, and so many have taken this to mean that head covering was abrogated. I wonder what real Canon lawyers have to say about this interesting fact and its consequences…
I am one. I think I’m real.

Canon 6 of the present code abrogated the 1917 code in its entirity, and consequently abrogated the canon on head covering as a universal obligation of Church law. That’s it, period. There is no basis on which it survives as a universally imposed precept.

A first consequence is that women can freely and intentionally cover their heads as a sign of devotion and reverence without it being required. A freely given sign of love. Women can also express devotion and reverence freely and intentionally while not covering their heads.

A second consequence seems to be that some will criticize those who wear head coverings and some will criticize those who do not. Some will see in this custom among the Churches of Paul’s place and time a deep meaning for the present, and may feel bound in conscience to practice it. Others will not. Most of us will respect the decisions that individuals make on this point, and defer judgement about the spiritual, interior dispositions of others to God. We will be too busy asking for the mercy of God for ourselves and others as well as trying to show it to others. Some will not.

A third consequence is the endless internet discussion on the matter with some of the most twisted interpretations of canon law and failures of charity I have even read.

This leads me to what I think is the final consequence, that we will have to answer for every idle word we speak (Mt. 12:36).
 
1 Cor 11:6 For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil.

Most women have their hair cut off today and no longer wear their hair long like they did in biblical times. If the part of Scripture as to wearing the veil is to be followed literally, would it be the same for this verse as well? Since most women do not have their hair down to their waists and keeps it comparatively short to women from biblical times by cutting and trimming, does this verse apply to them?
See my other post, however based on some posts in this thread, a Church rule for head-covering may exist.

I don’t know if the rule has (had) any exceptions for short hair as many women wear today. St. Paul does teach that long hair is to a woman’s glory 1 Cor 11:14-15.
 
Just for clarification…I’ve read that the prohibition of Catholics joining the Free Masons was also not found in the new code although it was in the 1917 code, like headcoverings for women. Does this mean Catholics are now allowed to be Free Masons?
 
Just for clarification…I’ve read that the prohibition of Catholics joining the Free Masons was also not found in the new code although it was in the 1917 code, like headcoverings for women. Does this mean Catholics are now allowed to be Free Masons?
The relevant canon in the current code says this:
Can. 1374 A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; one who promotes or takes office in such an association is to be punished with an interdict.
Although it does not mention “freemasonry” by name it has been authoritatively dealt with in the Declaration on Masonic Associations issued in 1983 by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:
Therefore the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore** membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin **and may not receive Holy Communion.
 
Just for clarification…I’ve read that the prohibition of Catholics joining the Free Masons was also not found in the new code although it was in the 1917 code, like headcoverings for women. Does this mean Catholics are now allowed to be Free Masons?
Ovenbird,

This point is often raised by some who insist that the universal obligation for women to cover their heads in the former canon 1286 continues. It is featured on several well known websites.

They point out that the former canon 2335 prohibited membership in the Masonic sect and other associations of the same kind that plot against the Church. They also observe that canon 1374 of the new code did not mention the Masons by name.

So they note that canon 6 is used to explain why the former obligation of covering is abrogated as a universal law of the Church even though the new code does not remotely mention the substance of old canon 1286.

Then they ask why that would not also be true of the Masons. Are these not similar cases? They conclude that canon 6 does not apply at all, and therefore assert that the obligation of covering survives as a universally imposed precept.

Canon 6 does work, but different parts of it apply to the different questions in different ways.

These are not similar cases.

Covering falls under canon 6 §1, 1º. When this Code takes force, the following are abrogated: 1º the Code of Canon Law promulgated in 1917. If the substance of old canon 1286, a universal disciplinary law, is not repeated at all in the new code, the obligation would be abrogated.

Prohibited membership falls under canon 6 §1, 3º. A universal penal law issued by the Apostolic See would be abrogated unless contained in the new code. The question is whether the Apostolic See considers the universal penal law on prohibited membership to be contained in the new code. If the substance of old canon 2335, a universal penal law, is not repeated in the new canon 1374, this prohibition would be abrogated.

However it is contained in the new code, just reworded (as Sure essentially observed).

The old canon 2335 treated Masonic sects and other associations which plotted against the church and stated that those who joined them were ipso facto excommunicated. It names the Masons by name.

The new canon 1374 states that a person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; however, a person who promotes or directs an association of this kind is to be punished with an interdict. It does not name the Masons by name.

In the face of questions, on 26 November 1983, the day before the effective date for the new code, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith made it clear that Masons continued to fall under penalty since they were contained in that wider category of associations which plot against the Church. As the Congregation stated:

“This Sacred Congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance in due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned inasmuch as they are contained in wider categories.”
(vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html)

This was prudent. Commentators on the old code noted that groups plotting against the Church frequently changed their names or bore names that concealed the fact of alliance with the Masonic sect in its different costumes. This had been a problem since the original excommunication of those who joined the masons through “In eminenti” (28 April 1738) by Pope Clement XII. {http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Clem12/c15inemengl.htm}

Thus the material of the former canon was contained in the new code. Its substance was not changed, only the mode of expression. The canonical tradition against membership in groups plotting against the Church was clear and it continued. Since the Masons fell into this category, it was not necessary to mention them by name. So the prohibition was continued under the new code. This met the standard for the survival of a universal penal law under the terms of canon 6 §1, 3º.

In contrast to this statement taken even in advance of the new code about the Masons as well as a statement a year later (“Irreconciliability between Christian Faith and Free Masonry”) though, there has not been any similar clarification by CDF regarding the former canon 1286. It is not unreasonable to conclude that there are no questions about its abrogation that warrant a declaration in the opinion of the Holy See.
 
The correct reference in the old code to covering is of course 1262 and not 1286 as I posted immediately above. I apologize for the inconvenience. I have an optometrist’s appointment Saturday (really!).
 
That is incredibly confusing. I’ll just take your word for it 🙂
 
That is incredibly confusing. I’ll just take your word for it 🙂
Short version. Veiling is not mentioned in any fashion in the new code. The masons are covered in the “an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty” in the new code. 👍
 
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