"Womenpriest" seeks ordination from MN bishop

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Well, what I am saying is, if it is not in the bible, but only tradition, why couldn’t it be open to change? Now that we are in a time where women have equal rights and are seen as equals…but if it is in the bible, then whatev then. I’m not sure why I’m that concerned anyway since I don’t really identify with the catholic religion. I guess I was just trying to understand the reasoning.
 
Well, what I am saying is, if it is not in the bible, but only tradition, why couldn’t it be open to change? Now that we are in a time where women have equal rights and are seen as equals…but if it is in the bible, then whatev then. I’m not sure why I’m that concerned anyway since I don’t really identify with the catholic religion. I guess I was just trying to understand the reasoning.
As a Catholic and also a Pennsylvanian I am concerned with the traditions of the church. We have in place guidelines that have been handed down from century to century and have allowed us to focus on church teachings. We do not, as seems to be happening in other churches, change the rules and alter the meaning of the bible to feel good or to build up a congregation.

Lynn-D
 
Well, what I am saying is, if it is not in the bible, but only tradition, why couldn’t it be open to change? Now that we are in a time where women have equal rights and are seen as equals…but if it is in the bible, then whatev then. I’m not sure why I’m that concerned anyway since I don’t really identify with the catholic religion. I guess I was just trying to understand the reasoning.
The Bible never changes and is authoritative. We agree upon that. But the question that must be asked is WHY is the Bible unchangeable and authoritative?

THe simple answer is because it is part of Tradition. It was Tradition that determined which books are included in the Bible. Tradition preceeded the Bible. The authors of the Bible were taking oral Tradition and putting it into writing… So the reason the Bible is unchangeable and authoritative is that TRADITION is unchangeable and authoritative.

THat being said, both Written Tradition (Bible) and Oral Tradition prohibit female priests.

Now here is a side issue. I have heard that if blood is spilt within a church, it needs to be re-consecrated. And that in the old days, women during their cycles could not enter the church. Whether that is true or not, I do not know. But if it is, it puts a whole new spin on why women can’t be priests.
 
Well, what I am saying is, if it is not in the bible, but only tradition, why couldn’t it be open to change? Now that we are in a time where women have equal rights and are seen as equals…but if it is in the bible, then whatev then. I’m not sure why I’m that concerned anyway since I don’t really identify with the catholic religion. I guess I was just trying to understand the reasoning.
This is not a matter of equality. You have to understand that no one has the right to be ordained in the Catholic Church. It is not a right, therefore it is not about anyone being better than anyone else, male or female.

The male priesthood is not changeable for the simple reason that God is not changeable and it was God in the person of Christ who established the male priesthood. As John Paul II put it, the Church does not have the right to change what Christ has established.
 
If you were to take the bible word for word down to the letter, you would become the Westboro Baptist Church. Which is why every other Christian religion allows women to be ministers.
You would only become the Westboro Baptist Church if you ignore one of the two great commandments: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
 
Well, until recently (with PC and all that), the male form of a pronoun was almost always used to adress a large group that could contain both - I’d love to know how many times the bible uses the word “mankind” - which is used to refer to all humans, not just men. If you were to take the bible word for word down to the letter, you would become the Westboro Baptist Church. Which is why every other Christian religion allows women to be ministers.
I find that interesting that you would mention the ‘Westboro Baptist Church’. Didn’t their members actually protest the buriaI of a soldier simply because they objected to the federal ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy which the soldier nor his family had anything to do with? :confused:

Is it our Catholic Bible or the KJV that you are referring to? Actually a big difference between the two if you read them, ‘word for word’.
Lynn-D
 
UPDATE: Well I guess she decided anathema was the way to go. The state university in the city hosted the “Womenpriest” group so they could ordain this women to their schismatic group…

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I am glad she is happy in her ministry. I wish her many happy years ministering to others. :cool: 👍

I am praying for a time when she will be welcomed with open arms to the RCC in her current capacity. It will be great for all included.:cool:
 
I am glad she is happy in her ministry. I wish her many happy years ministering to others. :cool: 👍

I am praying for a time when she will be welcomed with open arms to the RCC in her current capacity. It will be great for all included.:cool:
And I’m praying for a time when you embrace the Catholic faith and not your own version.😦

NewUlm you are in my prayers!
 
I am glad she is happy in her ministry. I wish her many happy years ministering to others. :cool: 👍

I am praying for a time when she will be welcomed with open arms to the RCC in her current capacity. It will be great for all included.:cool:
I guess I’m more concerned about what is best for her than what makes her “happy”.

If you are interested in learning about what the Church teaches about the priesthood, here is a link to some good articles.
 
People need to understand that the term “right” the way it is often used in current discourse refers to a legal or moral requirement to do something or not do something and are usually conferred by the state. Hence no person, male or female, has a “right to be ordained.” If these women think the Church is so oppressive, sexist, and hierarchical, they can leave if they want. They won’t be ostracized or injured for it.
 
I am glad she is happy in her ministry. I wish her many happy years ministering to others. :cool: 👍 I am praying for a time when she will be welcomed with open arms to the RCC in her current capacity. It will be great for all included.:cool:
Ministering to whom might I ask? She will not be able to give communion under the auspices of the true Catholic Church.

She and her ‘priestess’ will never be given the sacrament of Holy Orders nor welcomed into the Catholic Church as priestess’ for they have become nothing more than a sect who separated from the church in an effort to impose their selfish beliefs upon others. Personally I feel strongly they should be excommunicated for their mimicking and claiming Catholic authority as a result of their mimicry.

Lynn-D
 
People need to understand that the term “right” the way it is often used in current discourse refers to a legal or moral requirement to do something or not do something and are usually conferred by the state. Hence no person, male or female, has a “right to be ordained.” If these women think the Church is so oppressive, sexist, and hierarchical, they can leave if they want. They won’t be ostracized or injured for it.
Correct. Living up to the teachings of the Church is difficult, leaving is easy. There are plenty of non-Catholic denominations that “ordain” women. (Most have been reduced to theological piles of rubble, but that is another thread.) You would think that the demands of the proggie value of “diversity” would encourge the existence of one church that didn’t ordain woman, but smelling what they shovel has never been one of their strong suits.
 
Ministering to whom might I ask? She will not be able to give communion under the auspices of the true Catholic Church.

She and her ‘priestess’ will never be given the sacrament of Holy Orders nor welcomed into the Catholic Church as priestess’ for they have become nothing more than a sect who separated from the church in an effort to impose their selfish beliefs upon others. Personally I feel strongly they should be excommunicated for their mimicking and claiming Catholic authority as a result of their mimicry.

Lynn-D
The “true” Catholic Church? 🤷 The only one who knows what “true” really means is on another spiritual plane.

Officially she is excommunicated (see first page), as much as the Bishop did not want to do that to her as she has so many useful gifts. Yet it was done in a very compassionate way.

Ministering to whomever she comes in contact with. She is still the same person inside with many, many spiritual gifts to give others. While Canon Law makes official distinctions on gender, what comes out in day to day ministry is genderless. What she will be able to give spiritually to others in her chosen role is no different than any officially ordained person. Gender is only a state of mind when it comes to compassionate ministry towards others.
 
The “true” Catholic Church? 🤷 The only one who knows what “true” really means is on another spiritual plane.

Officially she is excommunicated (see first page), as much as the Bishop did not want to do that to her as she has so many useful gifts. Yet it was done in a very compassionate way.

Ministering to whomever she comes in contact with. She is still the same person inside with many, many spiritual gifts to give others. While Canon Law makes official distinctions on gender, what comes out in day to day ministry is genderless. What she will be able to give spiritually to others in her chosen role is no different than any officially ordained person. Gender is only a state of mind when it comes to compassionate ministry towards others.
The trouble is, she may be misrepresenting herself as a “Catholic priestess” and misleading those who are either unfamiliar with the Catholic church, or have been poorly catechised. These might believe that they are receiving the body and blood of our Lord, when, in fact, they are not. I don’t doubt that this woman possesses many gifts that would make her a good lay minister. But that should be her role, not some watered down version of priesthood.
 
The trouble is, she may be misrepresenting herself as a “Catholic priestess” and misleading those who are either unfamiliar with the Catholic church, or have been poorly catechised. These might believe that they are receiving the body and blood of our Lord, when, in fact, they are not. I don’t doubt that this woman possesses many gifts that would make her a good lay minister. But that should be her role, not some watered down version of priesthood.
This is so true. What this woman and the posters here who agree with her seem to forget is the fact they are leading people AWAY from the Church.

I only wish they would return to the scriptures and review what the Lord said happens to those who lead His children astray. Maybe the words millstone and neck would remind them?🤷
 
The “true” Catholic Church? 🤷 The only one who knows what “true” really means is on another spiritual plane…
Did you go to Pontius Pilate School of Theology? 😃

Jesus said to him, I am the way and the **truth **and the life. Jn 14:6

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you always, the Spirit of truth, which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it. But you know it, because it remains with you, and will be in you. Jn 14:16-17

All Christians believe in Truth. And Christ teaches us that the Truth we know will be rejected by the world. The True Church proclaims the truth to this same world which will reject first Christ and by that rejection forfeits the truth.
 
The “true” Catholic Church? 🤷 The only one who knows what “true” really means is on another spiritual plane.

Officially she is excommunicated (see first page), as much as the Bishop did not want to do that to her as she has so many useful gifts. Yet it was done in a very compassionate way.

Ministering to whomever she comes in contact with. She is still the same person inside with many, many spiritual gifts to give others. While Canon Law makes official distinctions on gender, what comes out in day to day ministry is genderless. What she will be able to give spiritually to others in her chosen role is no different than any officially ordained person. Gender is only a state of mind when it comes to compassionate ministry towards others.
The true church as far as Catholics see it is the ‘Apostolic Catholic Church’ not some off-shoot who calls themselves catholic which to me is simply a sect. And it was Jesus Himself whose abode ‘is on another spiritual plane’ who gave us His church through Peter and the Popes to follow.

I agree gender is brain but her sex is female and that is a no-no in receiving Holy Orders of priesthood. Maybe she might feel more comfortable being a Druid Priestess because she being excommunicated is no longer a member of the same ‘true’ Catholic Church I and so many others belong.

It is also the ‘true’ church by its foundation handed down by Jesus to his Apostles and not simply by the nomination of egotists who feel that they alone, without the keys given by Jesus, can be the sole interpreters of the intention of our Lord when He told the other apostles that it was Peter that was the rock and upon him would be built the church that is the True Catholic Church.

I totally agree with Kristie in that women serve in many other capacities in the Catholic Church. And we do well in our efforts: we give readings at mass; we serve on the altar; we offer comfort to the sick; we do charitable work; we teach our children our faith not by words alone but by example; we serve Our Lord not in competition with our priests but by giving support to them in their efforts in fulfilling the doctrines handed down by Jesus Christ Himself.

How might we serve our Catholic Faith if we are serving ourselves as this ‘priestess’ seems to be doing?

Lynn-D
 
I think that people sometimes equate persons who love “obedience” (to the Church) on these matters (women priests) as being a dumb followers with no minds of their own. Obedience is a whole separate topic, but my point is, if the Church has made a decision on the woman/priest situation, who are we to question and undermine the Church’s authority constantly on decisions that have been made and that are not planned to be changed? What is this constant need for being offended with the Church’s postition? It may make me sound like a dull-witted fool, but I happen to love the idea of an authority above me in the Church and I don’t have to be responsible for figuring out all of it on my own; the Church is my loving parent. I can enjoy my life as a woman and mother, content to know that I am following my Church,s rules. Of course, if one doesn’t believe the RC to be the TRUE Church, this is all nonsense. I also think it is sinful to criticize the Church constantly. People who are so unhappy with the mandates of the Church may consider that they have a problem with distrust of authority figures that they should evaluate and give the Church a rest.
 
Yes, and God very promptly called John Paul I home, probably to discuss the matter with him.
Don’t you dare make stupid comments against Pope John Paul I. Pope John Paul I is correct in what he says in an absolute sense. You are thinking of it purely on a physical level. Why is that man and woman become ‘one’ when they marry, there is a deeper thing there examined thoroughly by Pope John Paul II in Theology of the Body.
 
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